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Bardiche

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1140 on: July 01, 2011, 07:10:10 PM »
Both UK and HW expressed desire to lynch me. How is that not easy? ┐(-。ー; )┌ The easiest cases are the ones people are already gunning for, since you just need to fabricate a reason to get on it.

I'm saying your case is invalid because there's mirepresentations and incomplete thoughts in it that don't at all show how I am scum, if I am at all. If you point it out, then don't follow it up, it might as well be "neutral" like your entire opening paragraph. Reporting is a staple of scum, and trying to argue you weren't reporting for parts of that is suspect.



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Well, you see, Bard was SUPPOSED to pick who claimed next, and it's honestly irritating he didn't, DESPITE ME ASKING HIM TO.

There was a reason for that. But, with only one claimant left, I'll divulge after this question is answered. What claiming position would be most advantageous for scum to have, in your opinion?

Whoever claims later knows what he can and can't get away with, obviously. >_> There were two people to go after me, at this stage it honestly doesn't matter and you should claim based on who is around, not an arbitrary game of relay tag.

Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1141 on: July 01, 2011, 07:10:34 PM »
Bard is the "easy case", though. Everybody except Bard himself has expressed interest in suspecting him to some extent.

Will respond to the other stuff later, maybe. I woke up about a hour ago and I'm tired.

Conqueror

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1142 on: July 01, 2011, 07:16:58 PM »
Cutting myself again.
Calling someone the "easy case" when everyone agrees he's done a lot of scummy stuff is like saying Schezo is the easy case because everybody agrees he's scum.
Both UK and HW expressed desire to lynch me. How is that not easy? ┐(-。ー; )┌ The easiest cases are the ones people are already gunning for, since you just need to fabricate a reason to get on it.
HEY BARD, UK BECAME AN EASY CASE YESTERDAY WHEN EVERYBODY STARTED LOOKING AT HER FOR BEING COMPLETELY OBSTINATE, SO YOUR SUDDEN SWITCH TO HER IS AN INDICATION OF EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ACCUSING ME OF. EXCEPT, OH WAIT, I WAS SUSPECTING YOU LONG BEFORE YOU GAVE ANY INDICATION OF SUSPECTING UK.

I'm saying your case is invalid because there's mirepresentations and incomplete thoughts in it that don't at all show how I am scum, if I am at all. If you point it out, then don't follow it up, it might as well be "neutral" like your entire opening paragraph. Reporting is a staple of scum, and trying to argue you weren't reporting for parts of that is suspect.
Since you can't seem to read between the lines, Bard, I'll spell it out for you in my next post. Happy?


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Bardiche

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1143 on: July 01, 2011, 07:22:22 PM »
Yes. I happy. It's scummy to let people "figure out what you mean", because when they interpret you wrongly you can turn around and say "NAH UH, NOT WHAT I SAID, I ONLY POINTED IT OUT I NEVER SAID IT WAS SCUMMY!". If you have an opinion, tote it around.

Meanwhile mine is ##Vote: Conqueror.

Conqueror

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1144 on: July 01, 2011, 07:26:28 PM »
Alright, this is getting irritating.
It's scummy to let people "figure out what you mean", because when they interpret you wrongly you can turn around and say "NAH UH, NOT WHAT I SAID, I ONLY POINTED IT OUT I NEVER SAID IT WAS SCUMMY!". If you have an opinion, tote it around.
Stop misrepping me. I think I was pretty clear in what I tried to say with my post. Here, let me get my other post out first because otherwise I'm never going to get to it.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Bardiche

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1145 on: July 01, 2011, 07:31:59 PM »
It wasn't, you spent the entire first paragraph waffling over how something was a null read.

I'm more interested in seeing your other cases right now, although I expect that Dormio = scum and the rest are town to you.

Conqueror

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1146 on: July 01, 2011, 07:34:23 PM »
I read this as, "This entire paragraph is meaningless". What exactly are you holding against me here other than that you think I get a pass for making cases?
You're right, this paragraph is rather pointless! This paragraph is a holdover from when I was going to comment on every single one of your posts last night and I shouldn't have included it. But what about the rest of my case, Bard? Actually, don't respond yet. LET ME GET MY POST OUT GOD.

Posting now before Bard goes off on another tangent.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Bardiche

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1147 on: July 01, 2011, 07:39:03 PM »
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Conqueror

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1148 on: July 01, 2011, 08:18:53 PM »
What is nitpicky about this? "Your case smells of bullshit and doesn't make sense" is too nitpicky? What issue is there with the wording in her post, other than the issue of there being too few words explaining her logic?
You are nitpicking over Lambda's word choice, just like what you're doing to me right now. Personally, I falmpalmed when I read that paragraph, because it didn't make any sense. However, you took the fact that she worded her post badly and twisted it to wring out a meaning from it that she probably didn't intend. If you don't know what I'm talking about, see what huh what did to me in Zombie Apocalypse Mafia. In any case, this reads as punishing for bad rhetoric instead of scumminess, and this is scummy because scum want to mislynch townies with bad play instead of scum. Also, the other point in that paragraph is still completely valid.

This is a report, and while it is nice it serves nothing. I opened the vote on her with the quote above, and as you can see it directly asks for her to clarify her logic because I did not like it at that point. How exactly does the consistency indict me as scum? And how am I waffly between Kiro and Lambda, when I quite clearly listed my rea-- oh, you're attacking me due to refusing to let emotions get the better of me. Wow, that's low. :S
Waffling is scummy because it lets scum put out words without taking a firm opinion, which means that they can't be tied to flips. But I'm glad you admit to the accusation. Also, don't be a jerk. >_>

Obviously I was saying it felt like Lambdadelta's ordeal again where we were lynching someone for being inelegant in answering. But hey, congrats, you have me there: I never indicated I felt PX was DURN TOWNIE. I don't think that's enough to decisively say I am scum, because staying on him would've been safer than try an end-of-day wagon swing-around.
Cool story bro. What would you say if I said that what you're doing to me feels like the same thing that happened to LLD? Because that what it feels like to me.

I opened the day by voting Chaore, I do believe, and jumped off him to discuss other things as I said. Then Chaore claimed scum and I have a habit of not trusting people who claim scum because they might be ragequitting. I jumped back on him when it looked certain that no one was going to look at anything else, and because people were not doing anything else either.
Also, why are you misrepresenting again? I voted him, even before he claimed scum.
You opened the day by voting Shadoweh. Chaore claiming scum didn't come until a while later. You jumped onto Chaore in the time period right before capt. h's modkill, when most people wanted to wait and see if we could get any information from his death. This is scummy because it had the potential to cut short discussion and deny us the information that Kiro was probably town and that  town was in MYLO until the next day. Here, let me requote a condensed version of my case I made on you earlier. I notice you never responded to it.

Bardiche dances around the Chaore wagon at the beginning of D3 by voting Shadoweh instead. He softly supports the growing case on Chaore but never places a vote on him, instead pushing a lynch on Shadoweh. What I find most suspicious, however, is how Bardiche continually responds to and refutes Chaore, but after all that, he's still pushing for a Shadoweh lynch over Chaore! This holds until his bizarre behavior at midday, when he decides to put Chaore to L-1 before half the day has passed, which looks like an attempt to cut short discussion by taking advantage of the capt. h modkill lowering the lynch threshold (in retrospect, the votecount would have been reset, but I don't think anyone knew this at the time).

How was the attack on Chaore manufactured, when it was pretty much for pulling an anti-town move in negating a wagon based on the naive idea that scum would leave a claimed Watcher alone if he were really town? You'll have to back up your claims here: what is manufactured?
Are you listening to yourself? Not to mention there was an implied Doctor, and no indication that there would be a nightkill on N2. It's a manufactured reason because it reads as complete BS, and if this is your only reason for suspecting Chaore I have to question whether you actually did suspect him, or if you were just making up a bullshit reason to suspect him in order to try to gain townie cred.

Read the first line of that post, then come back.
I am saying this is scummy because you pulled a scum read out of nowhere, when you had given no indication of suspecting her before. Doing this is scummy because it lets scum not have to be held accountable with their previous opinions.

It's MyLo and you want me to make cases on more than just who I think is the most scum. Ooo... kay. So why is it impossible that I know Dormio to be town with me?
Your excuse for not producing cases at ED3 and on D4 was that there was no point in discussing until all the claimed scum were lynched. All the claimed scum have been lynched now - where are the cases? This is scummy because, again, not having cases is scummy. I don't know how much clearer I can be. Also, the only way you could possibly know that Dormio is town is if you are scum. You're not helping your case.

Because it was keikaku doori? What else would I pull something I knew would be seen as scummy even though people cannot motivate it well?
WHY DO SCUM DO SCUMMY THINGS? HMM, THIS IS A HARD ONE. Don't pull out "too scummy to be scum" on me.

It's also what I do each game. Are you implying I've spent each game as town avoiding jumping mindlessly on popular wagons just to use it as a reason not to bus a buddy? Do you honestly think I wouldn't bus a buddy?
I'm not going to get in a meta argument with you because I honestly don't see what the point  you're trying to make is. Also, Bard, I've played with you as scum. You've both bussed and not bussed.

Where I tried to discuss other things, ran into a wall of "let's focus only on Chaore!!" and "TOWNIE VOTING BLOCK!!", then gave up and decided to just roll with a new plan? No, I haven't forgotten the past two days. What exactly is scummy about giving up on discussing with town when they're obviously too stoked on a lynch?
I'm talking about the period after Chaore and Schezo claimed, when you decided to give up on discussing with town.

Then why raise it? "Here guys these are things, FIGURE OUT IF THEY ARE SCUMMY FOR ME THX"?
I NEVER MEANT OR IMPLIED THAT.

Cool, now for the actual motivation of why this is so. ┐( ?∀? )┌ Jumping on the easiest case out there immediately doesn't really endear you to me, given you'd have to be blind not to realise you'd have HW and UK support if you pushed a Bard case. Now that it's actually pretty bad, I have to wonder if you're not the last scum I'm looking for among them lurkers.
Already answered this.

Cut by scum. Evidence of what? That Dormio and I are town?
Bardiche has a clear on Dormio for no reason at all. He's either whiteknighting or defending a scum buddy. Either way, he's not town.
Hey Bard, repeating the same line over and over again with no backing for it doesn't make it valid. Also, are you deliberately trying to piss me off? Because that's what this really feels like.

Nice OMGUS vote btw.
Here, let me one up you. Except I'm the one with a case. Oops!

In all seriousness, I'm probably going to vote Bard at day's end.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1149 on: July 01, 2011, 08:39:47 PM »
Bard did something in the pre-game which is null, and a pass for trying to make cases. There is no argument of why I am scum here.
No, there isn't. Man, this would have been so much easier if I had just thought "Bard is scum, let's find evidence", instead of actually trying to reread your entire fucking ISO, wouldn't it?

Bard voted Lambda, with a questionable method of scumhunting. This is a playstyle argument.
Let me complete that sentence that for you. Bard voted Lambda, with a questionable method of scumhunting that pushed her scumminess based on bad play instead of scumminess. This is scummy because it benefits scum more than town.

I am misrepresenting stuff. This is obviously not an argument on why I am scummy.
Misrepresenting stuff is scummy because it lets scum push bad cases on townies.

Bard jumped off PX. There is no indication from him whether this is scummy, so it's an observation and report, not an argument.
Looks like an attempt to distance from a town wagon; suddenly Bard concludes that PX's posts on D1 were town-motivated, when his earlier posts had indicated nothing of the sort.
Don't misrep me bro. Also, vote switches for bad reasons are scummy because they're the easiest way for scum to move their votes around to control the lynch.

I am misrepresenting more stuff. Again, no argument.
See above.

Bardiche thinks UK is scummy out of nowhere. I don't understand how it's scummy to think someone's scummy.
I am saying this is scummy because you pulled a scum read out of nowhere, when you had given no indication of suspecting her before. Doing this is scummy because it lets scum not have to be held accountable with their previous opinions.
Also, you happened to suddenly "gain" this suspicion at a time when UK was under scrutiny from other people.

Bardiche makes a case on UK and thinks Dormio is town. This is also not scummy as far as I am aware.
That isn't scummy, but that isn't what I'm accusing you of, is it? And it's not that you think Dormio is town; it's that you're defending the fuck out of him for who knows what reasons. Defending people for bad or nonexistent reasons is scummy because townies don't know enough to defend people for bad reasons.

So Conq's case on me falls down to "Bardiche is scummy because".
Bardiche is scummy because he does scummy stuff. Fascinating, isn't it?


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

UncertainJakutten

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1150 on: July 01, 2011, 08:40:09 PM »
Oh God walls. Um...so, lemme get this straight. Conq is scum because...he made a case on you, Bard? WHY ARE YOU BEING ME D:?


Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1151 on: July 01, 2011, 08:56:31 PM »
Fuck logic. It has never worked for me in this particular game anyway.
Honest truth is that I have been reading Bard as derptown since last night, and his recent posts only re-inforce this.
I'm currently hesitant to write an actual post for reasons that I think should be obvious to the rest of the players. Not sure if the mods want us to keep it private, though.

Conqueror

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1152 on: July 01, 2011, 08:59:26 PM »
Honest truth is that I have been reading Bard as derptown since last night, and his recent posts only re-inforce this.
Bard is twisting my words to pretend I never took a firm stance on him in my case on him. How is this derptown?


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1153 on: July 01, 2011, 09:01:56 PM »
I think he's looking at things from a biased perspective.

Bard is not the lynch for today as far as I am concerned. I'll eat my hat postgame if he turns out to be scum, I guess, but I don't think we should be going after him.

I can't really put why I think he's town into words, though. It's not solely gut, but it's something that can't really be explained.

:s

Bardiche

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1154 on: July 01, 2011, 09:04:41 PM »
Oh God walls. Um...so, lemme get this straight. Conq is scum because...he made a case on you, Bard? WHY ARE YOU BEING ME D:?

It works out for you, doesn't it? ┐( ?∀? )┌ You just mad I plagiarising.

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Lambda, please restate your logic on why both Shadoweh and I are scum, or at the very least on why I am scum. You're voting me despite saying you won't vote over a vig shot, that vig shot is now ~*fake*~. I don't like your logic of how I am scum if I am really a dayvig, and how Shadoweh is town if I am, BUT if Shadoweh isn't dead then she is surely scum, and if she flips scum then so am I.

No, really, enlighten me here on how this scenario works out because I am not seeing it.

What in this piece nitpicks Lambda's choice of words? She says Shadoweh is scum regardless of my alignment unless she flips town. This argument is incredibly silly and for a self-styled competentplayer of Mafia I wanted to know why she would then push this piece of derplogic as an opener to the game.

I'm not native to the English language so you will have to explain to me how I am nitpicking her choice of words here because I'm not seeing it.

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Waffling is scummy because it lets scum put out words without taking a firm opinion, which means that they can't be tied to flips. But I'm glad you admit to the accusation. Also, don't be a jerk. >_>

Yeah duh, I'm asking why it was scummy of me to vote Lambda for her bad logic and wanting an explanation for it. And you're the one saying I "waffled on Kiro" because I was pretty annoyed with how he came into the game going "I'm going to play anti-Bard!". All his actions that seemed scummy to me were said only by me, so I can only assume it meant I was seeing things in a different light from the rest because I was angry with him. How is this being a jerk when I interpret it as you taking a lowblow by saying "Bard is scum for waffling on Kiro :V" when I was very cross with him and couldn't trust my observations not to be colour-tinted?

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Cool story bro. What would you say if I said that what you're doing to me feels like the same thing that happened to LLD? Because that what it feels like to me.

Third time's the charm.

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Are you listening to yourself? Not to mention there was an implied Doctor, and no indication that there would be a nightkill on N2. It's a manufactured reason because it reads as complete BS, and if this is your only reason for suspecting Chaore I have to question whether you actually did suspect him, or if you were just making up a bullshit reason to suspect him in order to try to gain townie cred.

The implied doctor flipped after Chaore flipped. I had no way to know there was a doctor around at that point. Do you know why it's scummy? Because Kiro hadn't claimed Human or Vampire, and if we truly had two investigative roles, it seems hilariously broken if a 2scum-1recruit team would have no ways to counter at least one. Then they're a 3scum-1recruit team instead, and they provably have ways to deal with townies.

The thing is here, that if Kiro had claimed Cop with a town result on Shadoweh, lynching another person in the last few minutes would have been just as damning because it's naively assuming that scum has no ways to deal with the investigative role, and that the investigative role cannot be recruited at all by scum. Take into account that part of town was calling for his head and part of the PX votes were from lurkers who hadn't shown up for a while, and PX was lynched by Shadoweh and Chaore, plus a contingent of people who hadn't updated their opinions yet.

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I am saying this is scummy because you pulled a scum read out of nowhere, when you had given no indication of suspecting her before. Doing this is scummy because it lets scum not have to be held accountable with their previous opinions.

Actually, the opposite is scummy. Townies can change their opinions: implying changing an opinion suddenly due to a revelation or new info is scummy. At that point UK had just displayed a new piece of information which made me want to lynch her. When I said "want to lynch her more", I simply showed that I already had suspicions about her I had not mentioned before─was it bad of me not to mention this before? Perhaps. Was there any cause to lynch anyone outside of Schezo, and any cause to show scum who were all suspects and would be good MyLo/LyLo food? No, again. Hence why I did not feel the need to make cases.

And huh, I did vote Shadoweh. You're absolutely right. I'm scum for lying and you should all lynch me now. ( ・ω・)

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I NEVER MEANT OR IMPLIED THAT.

So why raise it?

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This is scummy because, again, not having cases is scummy.

So when you wrote this, did you mean you needed to re-read to verify your cases, or did you mean you had none and had to re-read to build them?

Speaking of, I think we'd all be interested to see them, and if I am right that you'll only produce Dormio and I as scum and the rest as shades of town.




Oh God walls. Um...so, lemme get this straight. Conq is scum because...he made a case on you, Bard? WHY ARE YOU BEING ME D:?

But but it works for you dun't it? ┐( ?∀? )┌ In all due serious it's because he's opening the day with attacking someone who most in the game already agreed looks scummy and they want to lynch, bar me. Furthermore, he spent more than 24 hours after Day began to construct the case, whereas he's been yelling that I'm scum for a while now. He didn't elaborately build on that in the previous days, but holds me against not having elaborate cases on anyone. He thinks it's scummy not to have cases on more than one person, but he himself is writing his cases and hasn't had them ready.

Moreover, despite what he says about Kiro, he does raise that he thinks Kiro is scummy, but wouldn't support a wagon because a last minute wagon is silly. This post reads as if he'd still support it if there came one though, and he does. :D

Moreover, afterwards, he argues that Kiro was lying, and that he agrees town was having shitty discussion on D3, but still heavily disapproves of me wanting to end the day already because town was having shitty discussion.

Then his allusions to Bard is scum on D3 are that Bard is scummy, Bard tried to solo quickhammer despite declaring it beforehand and I have to think about this, then on D4 a promise to read Bard interactions... and that's it. Other than posturing that I'm scummy without ever producing a case for all of D3 and D4, he has waited until now, where he needed to re-read and write the cases first per his own admissions, to submit a case on me.

And then part of it misrepresents things said and done, (although yes he is right about some consistency go away), and it's wholly unimpressive on the whole.

Can you understand that it's a bit of a letdown to have someone go around for two gamedays saying how scummy you are, and then he needs upward of 24 hours to provide why you are scummy in MyLo?

Bardiche

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1155 on: July 01, 2011, 09:06:45 PM »
The significance of Conq implying Kiro was lying is something that can be applied to me just the same, but a Scum Janitor Kill benefits from obscuring Kiro's alignment and milking that, whereas town has no reason to do so. Therefore, for scum, it would be profitable to make people wonder about Kiro's alignment for longer and be caught in a trap there.

HW why are you doing this to me I've already given up on this game. ; _ ;

Bardiche

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1156 on: July 01, 2011, 09:09:04 PM »
Also I'm getting lost in the walls so I'd appreciate if we could get all of this over with. ┐( ?∀? )┌ I take full responsibility for this entire game being such a trainwreck.

Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1157 on: July 01, 2011, 09:19:51 PM »
HW why are you doing this to me I've already given up on this game. ; _ ;
Well, do you want[/i[ to get lynched?

If it's bugging you that the read isn't founded in logic, then note that I haven't really felt like I've been playing a game of mafia since D2 ended anyway.

Bardiche

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1158 on: July 01, 2011, 09:21:30 PM »
I mean being called derptown.

Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1159 on: July 01, 2011, 09:24:14 PM »
Oh. :V

Sorry if I offended you, I guess? Some of the stuff you've done looks like townie silliness in hindsight. I don't think that you're a generally derpy player, if that's the impression you got. I'm not in the position to criticize, I've been playing like shit the entire game.

Bardiche

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1160 on: July 01, 2011, 09:30:19 PM »
I gave up on this game midway D1 and have only been playing to win due to the rules. You can ask Pesco on that.

My current idea of how to win is to absolutely avoid lynching Dormio and myself, but I have no know of how to convince any of you guys to lynch one of the people I think is scum instead. ┐( ̄ー ̄)┌ Honestly I think derptown fits pretty well, I can never quite seem to convince people someone is scummy, and it makes me sadface. Mafias is obviously not the game for me.

Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1161 on: July 01, 2011, 09:34:44 PM »
Since you're voting Conqueror, I might as well ask.

Do you think all those K4U/Conqueror thought process conversations were forged? It seems to me like going through the effort of forging a conversation just to look townie would seem a bit silly when scum could just post their hydra's thoughts as a normal post anyway. If posting chatlog was a normally accepted thing in MotK Mafia, it would make sense, but as far as I'm aware this is the first time anyone has ever done this. I recall typing out a message of K4U's that took her 10 seconds to type according to the times (just to make sure the timing was reasonable), and it took me about 8 seconds, so it seems fairly believable to me.

Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1162 on: July 01, 2011, 09:35:38 PM »
And yes, I know people are likely going to lambast me for using something like that to judge a player's alignment. But the mod allowed Conq4u to do so, so it's within the conditions of the game now.

Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1163 on: July 01, 2011, 09:36:05 PM »
... do so meaning post their chatlogs.

I'm assuming the mod allowed them, anyway, considering that nothing was done about it.

UncertainJakutten

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1164 on: July 01, 2011, 09:36:41 PM »
Given PX, Kiro, and Zak have all flipped town, I think it's rather dubious how well the reactionary scum hunting tactic works :P. Given Conquerer's case at least echoes a few of the points I made, I don't altogether disagree with it, naturally. I'll admit after doing the final day of hell week, I'm not looking forward to reading things! I'll try to comment on Wall War 2011 sometime this evening.


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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1165 on: July 01, 2011, 09:40:04 PM »
Renko, don't give up!
We can get through this together!
We're going to get through this and get married, remember?
We can't die here!


Conqueror: You think Bardiche is scum, right?
Does that mean you think his case on UK is invalid? Do you agree with any of the case on UK presented today by either Bardiche or I? Will you support a UK lynch at the end of today?

Hourai: Existing would be nice.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1166 on: July 01, 2011, 09:40:55 PM »
What in this piece nitpicks Lambda's choice of words? She says Shadoweh is scum regardless of my alignment unless she flips town. This argument is incredibly silly and for a self-styled competentplayer of Mafia I wanted to know why she would then push this piece of derplogic as an opener to the game.

I'm not native to the English language so you will have to explain to me how I am nitpicking her choice of words here because I'm not seeing it.
It is precisely because you took this strain of incredibly silly derplogic and then upheld it as the epitome of scumminess that I am calling it nitpicking for bad play.

Yeah duh, I'm asking why it was scummy of me to vote Lambda for her bad logic and wanting an explanation for it. And you're the one saying I "waffled on Kiro" because I was pretty annoyed with how he came into the game going "I'm going to play anti-Bard!". All his actions that seemed scummy to me were said only by me, so I can only assume it meant I was seeing things in a different light from the rest because I was angry with him. How is this being a jerk when I interpret it as you taking a lowblow by saying "Bard is scum for waffling on Kiro :V" when I was very cross with him and couldn't trust my observations not to be colour-tinted?
I am calling you out for not having firm stances on who you thought was scum.

The implied doctor flipped after Chaore flipped. I had no way to know there was a doctor around at that point. Do you know why it's scummy? Because Kiro hadn't claimed Human or Vampire, and if we truly had two investigative roles, it seems hilariously broken if a 2scum-1recruit team would have no ways to counter at least one. Then they're a 3scum-1recruit team instead, and they provably have ways to deal with townies.
No one knew there was a doctor around - that's why I said implied.

The thing is here, that if Kiro had claimed Cop with a town result on Shadoweh, lynching another person in the last few minutes would have been just as damning because it's naively assuming that scum has no ways to deal with the investigative role, and that the investigative role cannot be recruited at all by scum. Take into account that part of town was calling for his head and part of the PX votes were from lurkers who hadn't shown up for a while, and PX was lynched by Shadoweh and Chaore, plus a contingent of people who hadn't updated their opinions yet.
ITT Bard tells us to lynched claimed, verifiable PRs without letting them prove themselves. If they are going to be a threat to scum, why not let scum deal with them, instead of doing scum's dirty work?

Actually, the opposite is scummy. Townies can change their opinions: implying changing an opinion suddenly due to a revelation or new info is scummy. At that point UK had just displayed a new piece of information which made me want to lynch her. When I said "want to lynch her more", I simply showed that I already had suspicions about her I had not mentioned before─was it bad of me not to mention this before? Perhaps. Was there any cause to lynch anyone outside of Schezo, and any cause to show scum who were all suspects and would be good MyLo/LyLo food? No, again. Hence why I did not feel the need to make cases.
I don't even know what you're trying to say here. My point was that "new" piece of information regarding UK had been available for a while, and you just hapfpened to pick it up at a time when other people had already picked it up before you. Bad timing? Perhaps, but I think of it more as opportunism, possibly even gearing up for a bus.

So why raise it?
It was an afterthought and not part of my main case; why else do you think I stuck it at the end of my post?

So when you wrote this, did you mean you needed to re-read to verify your cases, or did you mean you had none and had to re-read to build them?
Interesting false dichotomy you have there. I decided to reread from the beginning with a clean slate to see if I could find stuff I missed before.

Speaking of, I think we'd all be interested to see them, and if I am right that you'll only produce Dormio and I as scum and the rest as shades of town.
You're not getting them until later due to the fact that I'm pretty pissed off right now. Deal with it.

Responses to second half of post forthcoming.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1167 on: July 01, 2011, 09:41:33 PM »
Where was it said that Bard was Renko?

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1168 on: July 01, 2011, 09:41:46 PM »
If Conq became recruitScum after N2, he wouldn't need to forge anything: if he kept quiet, K4u could operate on the idea that she is town, and so long as he keeps that up K4u will provide a wonderful wealth of town-motivated arguments to everything he does.

It's a double-sided sword that I've decided to ignore as a nulltell. I know during the sign-up phase that Chaore and I talked about using a Hydra in that way: with your partner operating as town, you have the perfect guise for your scummy self, and someone to bounce your ideas off on. Is Conq such a schemer? I don't know, which is why I regard that as null.

And yes, I'm saying Conq is likely to be recruitscum. I included his end-of-D2 stuff because he used arguments similar to that moment to go against me, and if he is origScum instead, all little bits should help, no?



Also, HW, why would making a post be useless? We're still playing to win, right? I've been wanting to get modkilled since halfway D1, I think you could put in a post despite the game perhaps being over already anyway.



Sorry Dormio I don't think they get the subtle hints of masonry.

Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1169 on: July 01, 2011, 09:43:21 PM »
I was about to post saying that I thought you two were probably masons. <_< I'm not sure why you claimed Vanilla Town, though.

However... are you two masons, or neighbors? Because if we have a Modeslaves on our hands, that would explain why scum
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!Dormio[/spoiler couldn't kill Bard despite Bard not having any sort of bulletproof role.