Author Topic: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Happily Ever After (Read 133299 times)

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #1080 on:** June 30, 2011, 10:11:54 PM »

No, but the thing is, the NK WILL remove people from the suspect pool, which is important. While you and I, and Bard to some degree, probably aren't voting outside our cute cases, Conquerer, HW, and possibly Hourai COULD benefit from one less suspect. As a matter of fact, even you have HW or Bard as your other. What happens if HW is killed?

Either way, as said before, assuming no self voting, 2:4 means we have a 40% chance of voting scum. 2:3 means we have a 50% chance. I know which one of these is better!

@Dormio: And making their intent more clear. The louder you are, the more scrutiny you get. Narrowing the suspect pool is a net positive.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #1081 on:** June 30, 2011, 10:14:23 PM »

I'm not comfortable with the idea of leaving it up to scum to decide who the endgame members are.
This is my thoughts on the no lynch.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #1082 on:** June 30, 2011, 10:19:00 PM »

I think that given the fact that there is no clear "confirmed townie", forcing the scum to decide endgame will be very telling.
And that's my opinion on no lynch.

I do agree that we're going to start talking in circles if we keep this up though.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #1083 on:** July 01, 2011, 01:44:03 AM »

HEY, HW, CONQUERER, HH, YOU KNOW WHAT'D BE :AWESOME:?

POSTS =D!

Conqueror · « **Reply #1084 on:** July 01, 2011, 02:35:07 AM »

Alright, loop set, food down, and ready to reread this entire bloody game from the beginning. Let's go.

Before I post my ISO's though, some comments on the blah blah blah that people are blabbing about.

Thoughts on no lynch - screw that. No lynching just means that tomorrow scum need one less vote for a mislynch; a.k.a. one townie voting wrongly as opposed to two. That's what it boils down to - to hell with all your probability theories.

Yes to massclaim though. Bard can start first by claiming the character he missed in his claim.

Hanged Hourai · « **Reply #1085 on:** July 01, 2011, 02:57:26 AM »

Ok to answer some questions,

Voting for the No Lynch is a bad idea. In a perfect world, yes, it would improve odds, but scum isn't going to NK one of the potential lynches. They're going to hit the ones with a lot of townie cred, which rids town of another mind when the game-deciding lynch comes around. Scum will have a larger voice in that course of action, and I don't support it.

On the topic of a massclaim, I have no problem with it. Can't really hurt at this point, can it?

On the topic of UK, I find more merit in pursuing Bard for the time being. I'm not making pairs with unconfirmed scum because that leads to trains of thought that deviate from normal scum reading. Should Bard flip scum, then I will go back and reread with the confirmation of knowing he's scum to find his last buddy.

No I don't think huh what is scum. And Dormio, I notice that you said HW is likelier scum, whom you've provided no reasoning for, over Bard, whom you've talked about. Why is that? Seems like disconnect. Also, do you mean your UK case or just a case in general?

Bard, why did you feel the need to claim you wouldn't get killed overnight? Can you tell me a pro-town reason for doing this?

Gonna get this post ougwvmfjvwfmnfvmnf#vmehfvb

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #1086 on:** July 01, 2011, 03:19:49 AM »

Quote from: Hanged Hourai on July 01, 2011, 02:57:26 AM

No I don't think huh what is scum. And Dormio, I notice that you said HW is likelier scum, whom you've provided no reasoning for, over Bard, whom you've talked about. Why is that? Seems like disconnect.

Quote from: Caedo Ergo Sum on June 30, 2011, 06:10:06 AM

#681 huh what pushes the ~*~Townie Voting Block~*~ as a great idea, and that going against it is scummy.
Also continues to push the ~*~Townie Voting Block~*~ as a great idea in #975.
Like Schezo and Chaore, he also defended UK for being on the LLD wagon.
In other words, he's being overly defensive of UK. And I believe UK to be scum. So yeah.
Right now I'm leaning more towards huh what being the scums though.

Quote from: Hanged Hourai on July 01, 2011, 02:57:26 AM

Should Bard flip scum, then I will go back and reread with the confirmation of knowing he's scum to find his last buddy.

Problem, it's MYLO. We don't have the luxury of getting another flip in order to find more connections.
We need to lynch scum, or not lynch at all. Which is why I propose lynching UK. Because UK is scum.

Quote from: Hanged Hourai on July 01, 2011, 02:57:26 AM

Also, do you mean your UK case or just a case in general?

Both my case on UK and Bardiche's. Do they make sense to you? Do you think UK is scum? Will you support a UK lynch?

RE: Massclaim,

I'm not from Gensokyo, and I have no idea how I found myself here.
I've been having a lot of fun in this world, though I do miss my partner.
As I've been wandering around this place, exploring, almost everybody I've met has commented on my likeness to a certain person.
They don't really like talking about this person, Yukari Yakumo was her name? Anyway, apparently I look just like her, and some people give me funny looks because of it.
I think I'm rambling on here, do forgive me. As I've been travelling through this land, the dates that people mention, as well as some of the events I've seen suggest that this is actually the past.
It's really weird, but I think I've travelled through time.
But, you know, as much fun as Gensokyo is... I want to go home.
I miss my friends, I miss my family, I miss Renko.
And then, while I was searching for a way back home, I got caught up in this mess.
"The Night of the Vampire", they call it.
It's terrible. Several people, including myself, were gathered and told that some of us had done some bad things, and were planning to do more bad things.
The worst part? We've been forced to group up and eliminate each other in a desperate attempt to find the bad people and bring an end to them.
We started with fourteen of us, now there are only six left, and the bad people are still among us. Watching our every move. Waiting to kill us.
I am Maribel Han, Vanilla Townie, a human with no special abilities that just wants to get out of this mess so I can find a way back home.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #1087 on:** July 01, 2011, 03:50:05 AM »

@HH: I can see no lynch is being voted down. Consider my vote on Bard for the time being. I'll place it directly when we reach deadline, unless something changes my mind, which I don't see happening. Still, no point courting bad things. I do however disagree that scum won't kill someone that can be lynched, because of one thing. Everyone at this point is some degree of lynchable. There are two people I'd place as least likely to be lynched, but even then, I think cases could be made on them. I see no need to since I have my BardxDormio OTP

.

@Dormio: Popcorn it Dormio. Who do you want to claim next? Bard also needs to complete his claim.
Dormio, is there anything implying HW recruit scum on his own merits, as opposed to his interactions with me?

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #1088 on:** July 01, 2011, 03:55:34 AM »

Popcorn it? What does that mean?

Anyway, I think that you are the recruit.
Also, I'll make another post about huh what when I get back in a few hours.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #1089 on:** July 01, 2011, 03:57:06 AM »

My question after popcorn answers that. Popcorn claiming means you claim, and then pick the next person to claim. So who do you want to claim next?

Also, when did I change from being the original to the recruit? That basically removes any impact of interactions with Chaore/Schezo before D3.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #1090 on:** July 01, 2011, 03:59:06 AM »

I said it somewhere before, I'll find it when I get back later.
And I recall saying that I don't think that it would be too weird to defend a future recruit or something.
Whatever, I shouldn't be here right now. Bleh.
As for who I want to claim next? Whoever appears next, I guess. Or you, since you're around.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #1091 on:** July 01, 2011, 04:00:39 AM »

No. Name someone, Dormio.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #1092 on:** July 01, 2011, 05:04:40 AM »

Going to bed. I won't be able to post until around 5 PM tomorrow, so I'll just claim now.

I am Byakuren Hijiri. Vanilla Townie, and human, as I said before. Supposedly I'm really good at killing youkai, but this doesn't help against the Scarlets.

Bard, finish your claim and pick who's claiming next.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #1093 on:** July 01, 2011, 06:50:12 AM »

@UK: I dunno, the #1050 - #1052 exchange came off like you two were spiting eachother and it irked me. Doesn't matter too much now, I guess.

I have no real qualms with a massclaim, but I already claimed back during D2 (Chiyuri, vanilla townie and human) so I would have nothing to contribute. (I see one started already after I typed this.)

A quick check through the thread has not made me any more interested in scum candidates aside from Dormio and Bard as is. I'll try to get around to re-reading the others in detail, but I have had like zero motivation all day. Ughhh.

Though I would prefer choosing to No Lynch today, I desire to see Dormio lynched before Bard. I personally believe Dormio is the scummier of the two, or at least the one more likely to be scum if the other is town. It's mainly because of the way he jumped on to the Shadoweh wagon on D3 - even though this is scummy no matter what Bard's alignment is, it actually makes a little more sense in a situation where Bard is town because scum piling both their votes on their buddy's counterwagon would require serious balls. If Dormio was just bankshotting off a town!Bard's case to help find a townie alternative to the Chaore lynch, then that makes a lot more sense. I think Dormio is the safer lynch as a result.

Dormio's early vote today irritates me because of the environment. If we reach deadline with few people around (which I wouldn't say is too unlikely given the overall apathetic state of town here), that's him holding extra influence over us if he's not there at the time.

I think the rest of my suspicions have already been voiced. It bugs me a little that Bard never claimed his role name.

RE: The possibility of scum choosing their endgame: I don't think this is too much of a problem, but for the love of Suwako, if UK and Bard are part of the final three then do not vote anybody immediately or else I will rage. This isn't to say that I think you guys are derps who would do that automatically (aside from Dormio given how today went), but honestly, I am somewhat cautious about the possibility since my gut makes me think that Bard/UK might actually be town/town (because obviously my gut is worth so much during LYLO situations). That and it's just a bad idea to vote other players prematurely in these situations in general.

##Vote No Lynch
Pretty sure this is the best option for now. I think I already voiced my support for it in a previous post.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #1094 on:** July 01, 2011, 06:55:00 AM »

It also feels like Dormio has been trying really hard to tie himself to Bardiche lately. I dunno, this might just be my personal paranoia speaking.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #1095 on:** July 01, 2011, 06:59:47 AM »

One particular reason that I think the No Lynch benifits us: scum has likely already chosen a scumpair to push, and will continue push it to the best of their ability. Now, if our next lynch hits scum, and scum had not been choosing to bus up to that point, the lynch would basically force scum to make up a new BS case that compliments the flip of their buddy. If they're forced to kill off three townies instead of only two, we've decreased their choices significantly, putting them in a more restricted position. It's not only about increasing our own chances of getting a scum lynch so much as also decreasing scum's chance of getting a reliable town lynch.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #1096 on:** July 01, 2011, 07:03:07 AM »

*two townies instead of one

I don't know how to logic.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #1097 on:** July 01, 2011, 07:59:31 AM »

Quote from: UncertainKitten on July 01, 2011, 03:57:06 AM

Also, when did I change from being the original to the recruit?

I think I changed my mind in #973. (The Google post)
And I don't get why you're so hung on popcorn claiming or something. Whatever.

huh what: Discussion about the no lynch/lynching is fine and all, but a post with cases and stuff would be nicer.
Anyway, that stuff I said I'd write about you!

Quote from: Caedo Ergo Sum on June 30, 2011, 06:10:06 AM

#681 huh what pushes the ~*~Townie Voting Block~*~ as a great idea, and that going against it is scummy.
Also continues to push the ~*~Townie Voting Block~*~ as a great idea in #975.
Like Schezo and Chaore, he also defended UK for being on the LLD wagon.
In other words, he's being overly defensive of UK. And I believe UK to be scum. So yeah.

To add to that, supporting UK in the No Lynch thing UK presented.
Also, #716, I don't know why, but that post gives me the impression that huh what is trying to present "Chaore is scum and targetted UK, ergo, UK is not scum."
In addition, #772: Defending Schezo's claim of Yukari.
#744: Makes the assumption that Schezo has died from Zakeri's vig shot that only kills vampires, when Schezo had claimed neither human nor vampire at that point. And Schezo really was a vampire. And scum. Other scum would have known that Schezo was a vampire. huh what's excuse for this is that he parsed it wrong. Care to explain how you had parsed it?

Quote from: huh what on July 01, 2011, 06:59:47 AM

scum has likely already chosen a scumpair to push, and will continue push it to the best of their ability.

Like how you and UK push BardxDormio 4 lyfe? :V
I'm pretty sure that everybody here has a fair notion of who they think the last scum are in their head.
I like how you're using the wording there to imply that that's scummy.

Quote from: Affinity on June 16, 2011, 02:06:17 PM

5. Lady Lamdadelta - Aya Shiremaru, Tengu Town Commuter Cop, lynched on D1

4. Shadoweh - Parsee Muzibachi, Vanilla Townie, killed on N4

Shiremaru. Muzibachi. Wat?
Just something random I noticed whilst reading through the topic again.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #1098 on:** July 01, 2011, 08:12:04 AM »

Quote from: huh what on July 01, 2011, 06:50:12 AM

Dormio's early vote today irritates me because of the environment. If we reach deadline with few people around (which I wouldn't say is too unlikely given the overall apathetic state of town here), that's him holding extra influence over us if he's not there at the time.

Uh, huh. So I'm scummy if people decide to be lazy?
Spin spin spin spin spin~

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #1099 on:** July 01, 2011, 08:18:02 AM »

Quote from: Caedo Ergo Sum on July 01, 2011, 07:59:31 AM

Like how you and UK push BardxDormio 4 lyfe? :V
I'm pretty sure that everybody here has a fair notion of who they think the last scum are in their head.
I like how you're using the wording there to imply that that's scummy.

Like how you and Bard push UKxHW 4 lyfe? :V
I like how you're manipulating my words to imply I'm implying things that I'm not trying to imply.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #1100 on:** July 01, 2011, 08:19:20 AM »

In all honesty, though, I'm not 100% sold on Dormio/Bard at all. I'll probably take another look after Dormio flips scum, because that's something I actually am sold on.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #1101 on:** July 01, 2011, 08:20:21 AM »

I was saying that as in like:

Quote from: Caedo Ergo Sum on July 01, 2011, 07:59:31 AM

I'm pretty sure that everybody here has a fair notion of who they think the last scum are in their head.
I like how you're using the wording there to imply that that's scummy.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #1102 on:** July 01, 2011, 08:25:25 AM »

Quote from: Caedo Ergo Sum on July 01, 2011, 07:59:31 AM

Care to explain how you had parsed it?

I seriously skimmed his post and thought he could either vig somebody during the day phase or roleblock them at night. <_< I didn't even see the mention of humans and vampires. Basically, I'm a fucking idiot, or at least was at that point in time due to my brain being partially shut down.

Anyway, I was not trying to imply that having a "fair notion of who the last scum are in one's head" is scummy. I think you're attempting to discredit my statement, which looks odd to me because said statement should not be particularly hurtful to town. It's the same as the way you try to discredit the voting block and the possibility of a no lynch constantly.

ALSO.

Quote from: Durrrmio

In addition, #772: Defending Schezo's claim of Yukari.

That's not defending Schezo's claim at all. I thought that it was possibly Schezo was telling the truth about being Yukari, but not telling the truth about his alignment.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #1103 on:** July 01, 2011, 08:27:37 AM »

One more thing,

Quote from: Caedo Ergo Sum on July 01, 2011, 07:59:31 AM

Discussion about the no lynch/lynching is fine and all, but a post with cases and stuff would be nicer.

I'm sorry I'm not reposting cases I've already posted when they haven't changed at all? I brought up any new complaints I had about you and Bard in my post, but otherwise I think my cases on you and Bard have accumulated over my posts, and it's pretty easy to acknowledge their existance. I don't see why I should have to write something that has already been written. It's just extra noise.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #1104 on:** July 01, 2011, 08:38:20 AM »

I just wanted to say that the concept of UK/HW vs Bard/Dormio is reminding me way too much of Vanilla Mafia's endgame.

I'm not particularly convinced that there's one scum in each pairing like there was in the game I'm talking about, but I'm starting to believe it's more likely that the amount of buddying between each pair means that there's probably only one scum involved maximum in each pairing. like dormio

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #1105 on:** July 01, 2011, 08:42:24 AM »

Hmm...

UK/Dormio seems surprisingly plausible to me. I'm pretty sure their general attitudes towards eachother changed on D3. It would make a lot more sense if Dormio dropped his UK case in favor of Shadoweh if he had to adjust to a newly recruited scum UK than if Dormio dropped his UK case in favor of Shadoweh because he had to adjust to defending his new buddy.

UK attacking Dormio doesn't matter, because last I checked, she has been pushing for a Bard lynch over a Dormio lynch anyway.

But all of this is pointless theorizing because Dormio needs to die first.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #1106 on:** July 01, 2011, 08:47:54 AM »

On the other hand... Bard feels a lot scummier than UK individually to me. But the problem is that I'm realizing a lot of the things UK has done that I felt were townie could easily be artificial, as scum would have no problem suggesting townie things if they think they can weasel around them and still take the cred. It should be noted that the voting block never even took off, regardless of which faction you believe it would have helped.

One thing that makes me less likely to consider UK/Dormio over Dormio/Bard is Dormio's ridiculous attacks towards UK. I'm not sure if scum would want to fake that kind of vitriol (even if they were the Serial Killer from Darker than Black). However, considering that scum!Dormio has told us who his buddies were and why when he was cornered before... Hm. Plus, faking vitriol would actually be pro-scum, because townies don't like reading that kind of stuff, most of the time.

I think I'll need to re-read and look into this more tomorrow, when I have a clearer head.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #1107 on:** July 01, 2011, 08:49:15 AM »

But for now, my official opinions are "Dormio is scum and we should lynch him, I don't actually care who his buddy is until he has died and flipped".

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #1108 on:** July 01, 2011, 08:57:03 AM »

Hey.

What about lynching

Spoiler:

today and then no lynching tomorrow?

I think that actually benifits us a lot more than No Lynching today, because then we have another townie around to give their input on who the final scum is if we even reach tomorrow.

##Unvote: No Lynch

I want opinions on this.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #1109 on:** July 01, 2011, 09:00:47 AM »

This is my 8th post in a row. ::

Sucks being the only townie online.

I would appreciate it if everybody who supports one of UK/HW and Bard/Dormio to comment on whether or not they think UK/Dormio is possible.

Though... it scares me when I realize I'm neglecting Conqueror and Hourai completely. Both seem townie to me, but I'm going to have to look into them more closely soon.