Night of the Vampire Mafia: Happily Ever After

[Conqueror]

Not too impressed by Dormio's Google Translate post. Leaving aside the fluff, it looks like he's saying UK is scum because of ~ * ~ Townie Voting Block ~ * ~. I may not like the idea of the voting block, but it's completely true that at the time of suggestion, town was floundering so much that something had to be done, and the voting block could have been a powerful town tool if it had ever taken off. The rolecop recruit theory sounds interesting but boils down to night action WIFOM. The rest of Dormio's observations seem valid enough.

Basically, better than his other content posts, but still unimpressive.

Also friendship and rainbows and unicorns.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Okay, I need to go out somewhere, and I'll post again when I get back.
But I just want to say one thing.

Hi UK. Everything you say is garbage. You are also scum.
Because if that is seriously what you're going to reduce me to, I don't give a shit any more about what you say, scum.
If you are not lynched tomorrow, I am going to scream so loud you don't even know.

Cut by Conqueror's friendship and rainbows and unicorns.
I'm sorry. I have seen the light. UK is not garbage. UK is far below that.

[Conqueror]

Let's not make Pesco come in here and modkill everyone.

[UncertainJakutten]

* UncertainKitten snickers

At least I didn't make a practically unreadable post because I thought it would be funny. In fact, I daresay you personally attacked me there with verbiage I used to attack your post, and not you. Naughty naughty .

[Shadoweh]

Don't make me get out the hose on you two.
I don't think we're getting anymore out of today and instead of letting you snipe at each other some more, let's just move onto Day 5.

Dormio, baiting UK is not the answer to all accusations, if she is the scum go back to the beginning and remake of the case on her. Leave TOWNIE VOTING BLOCK out because you're getting distracted by it. Point out whoever you think the secondo scum is.

UK, stop baiting him back. Especially when your own content has been bad enough that every living player has commented on it. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

[Conqueror]

[22:30:10] <Kitten4u> ...Eh it's worth a shot
[22:30:22] <Kitten4u> Can you ask UK to humor us for a minute and post actual cases on why people are scum?
[22:30:41] <Kitten4u> And perhaps actually respond to the cases on her without insulting the attackers?

Cut by Shadoweh saying something similar.

[UncertainJakutten]

You're not getting cases today. I also see no legitimate cases on me that I haven't answered. Hourai comes closest and my response to him does not contain insults. How about you organize everything you see as a case against me and tell me what I haven't answered, rather than sniping at me from the sidelines, K4U?

@Shadoweh: Eye of the beholder of course. Whether my content is "bad" or not, it's at least been readable. Which is more than can be said for the magical google translate post.

[Conqueror]

>_>

Well, I think I'm just about ready to end the day.

Is there a particular end of day time that is best for everyone? I'm figuring midnight EST, or in 1.5 hours.

[UncertainJakutten]

Interesting response. So you want me to respond to the "cases" on me, something I've been doing fairly consistently, but refuse to show me said "cases"? Is there a particular reason for that?

[Conqueror]

[22:45:31] <Conq> What should I link? Unless I'm supposed to type up something new. :<
[22:46:02] <Kitten4u> She already knows where they are.  She has indeed been responding to them, but she hasn't been saying anything beyond "this isn't worth responding to"
[22:46:38] <Kitten4u> I'm just getting increasingly frustrated with her behavior
[22:46:53] <Kitten4u> There's no point in wasting our time if she's going to act like this
[22:47:36] <Kitten4u> I gave her a chance to prove herself and she refused it
[22:48:09] <Kitten4u> Unfortunately, I still can't tell if it's UK is UK or if she's scum and I am kind of pissed off she's refusing to help me figure this out
[22:49:06] <Kitten4u> So I'm deeming it not worth my time

[UncertainJakutten]

If you really wanted me to "prove" myself, you'd explain how I HAVEN'T responded to cases. Because I've actually given fairly clear responses OUTSIDE OF "this isn't worth my time". I've responded to Hourai's case, Bard doesn't have a case, and I've even countered Dormio's main point against me several times before giving up. Please, tell me what I'm missing here.

[Shadoweh]

Cool, my gut says UK is scum let's lynch her tomorrow. I have now provided as much reasoning for my cases on the two proven scum as you have.

I'm not interested in this stonewalling game you're playing. Do you think Conqueror is scum? Are you going to keep treating everyone who looks at you like a criminal? Your case on Dormio right now is 'he doesn't like the voting block'. Okay, so the person who's gut playstyle you're advocating doesn't like them either and thinks alliances are awful. Can you explain to me how that's scummy?

[UncertainJakutten]

Actually, that playstyle specifically says that town unity is important and that alliances made within the game aren't bad, it's the ones that use meta and bullshit.

Secondly, Dormio not liking the voting block makes him a little scummy, but there are a fair number of other reasons he's scum. I'd suggest looking at his behavior yesterday, when I started getting a bad feeling from him.

Thirdly, go ahead and try to lynch me. I'd love to see you pull it off, Shadoweh.

Fourthly, Conquerer/K4U probably aren't scum, but this cute little game they're trying to play is awful. I'm telling them how they can make it townie. They're refusing. C'est la vie I guess.

And Fifthly my case on Schezo was that he CLAIMED scum .  Unless you meant BardxDormio proven scum.

[Shadoweh]

You shouldn't joke about things when I can count at least three possible votes for you not counting me, UK. This is not Mafia History Mafia, I can get you lynched if I try. I'm simply trying to figure out why you're really doing this. I'm blind, what are these other reasons he's scum? I want to hear them from YOU, because it's YOUR opinion I'm unclear on. You believe in townie transparancy, so please, don't be defensive, vague, and confrontational, make yourself clear to me.

[Schezo]

For once, I really have nothing to do with this incident.   

What part of, don't lynch me I'm not killing you people aren't you all getting?

[UncertainJakutten]

I'll take your advice under advisory. It's not happening tonight. If a hammer occurs while I'm gone, I'll consider putting something together overnight. I'd put a caveat saying "assuming I'm not killed", but I get the distinct impression that's unlikely. And if it doesn't occur while I'm gone, I'll see what I come up with after work.

[Schezo]

Com'on people, we need to be unvoting Schezo and voting the real scums.

[Conqueror]

Com'on people, we need to be unvoting Schezo and voting the real scums.

AGREED.

##Unvote




...Wait.



##Vote: Schezo





##Unvote

I never got any feedback on hammer time. :<

[Shadoweh]

Fortunately you're not in danger of being hammered today. Please have something ready for tomorrow. Gut reads happen for a reason, you have to be able to point out the behaviours that give you five-alarms in your gut. Otherwise feelings are just feelings.

Sorry Schezo but we are hammering you in the face. Any time now is good for me.

[Conqueror]

##Vote: Schezo

And thus Schezo was sexily hammered at the stroke of midnight.

Except that's L-1, not the hammer.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

First of all.
That freaking ~*~Townie Voting Block~*~ was scum motivated.
How can you people not see this?
Whatever.
Moving on.

Chaore was being far too defensive of UK.
So much so that he, in fact, defended her twice for the same thing in post #328.
Zakeri's post was completely disregarded by UK. Later UK decided to finally respond to Zakeri with "Give it the fuck up Zak, you have nothing on me and you're wasting fucktons of effort not telling us ANYTHING about your intent besides really wanting me lynched. I tire of it."
Chaore #161 ignores some things I said in order to randomly defend UK.
Schezo has also defending UK in passing for whatever reason.
Yes, I have said all this before.
Do you know why I'm reiterating myself?
Because, like every single other thing I've said, UK has simply ignored everything and called me an idiot.
Also, you need to go to work. Big fucking deal. That doesn't turn you into a complete fucking vegetable.
I had finals going on at the same time during the first half of the game. That didn't stop me from trying to contribute to town.
OH BUT WAIT. YOU'RE CONTRIBUTING TO TOWN. BARD AND I ARE SCUM BECAUSE GUT. RIGHT.
AND EVERYBODY THAT SAYS BAD THINGS ABOUT YOU IS A RETARD AND THEREFORE EVERYTHING THEY SAY IS INVALID.

No, we're not having the rest of that.

[Kilgamayan]

All right, that's enough. If people continue to treat each other like dirt we'll start handing out RPG bans.

This is everyone's final warning.

[UncertainJakutten]

Oh, okay.

More important, the problem with the things you listed are they fall in two categories: A) Not scummy, and B) Things I didn't do.

I'm not sure what reaction you expect out of me. Chaore did things, oooh. I can't really speak for him, now can I? The best I can say is that Chaore targetting me makes me being scum before D3 highly unlikely. Whether I'm scum AFTER D3 is debatable, though I'll note I could have easily, yanno, not voted Chaore in the first post I made and stuck the fuck to it, to the point of trying to form a townie voting block to lynch him.

The ad homs are hilarious.

[Schezo]

Hammer, shut up.

##Vote: Schezo

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I like how you decide to ignore the part where I say that you've been not responding to anything lately.

[Pesco]

End of Day 4 VOTE COUNT

Schezo - (5) - Shadoweh, Bardiche, Dormio, Conqueror, Schezo

Not voting: Everyone else

Schezo was Lynched. He was Remilia Scarlet, Scum Godmother/Recruiter.

During N2, you must select a person you want to be recruited into the scum faction.  That person will be a mafia goon and a vampire from D3 onwards.  This ability is one-shot.   
On N1 and N3 onwards, you are a godmother with normal abilities (e.g if you are investigated, the person gets a 'town' result).  You lose this abilitiy if you are the one conducting the NK, however.
Whenever votes are tied up between you and someone else at the end of the day, you will always win the coinflip.

You have 24 hours for the night.

[Pesco]

PARUPARUPARUPARU

Shadoweh playing as Parsee Mizuhashi, Vanilla Townie Jealous of Other People's playable status in DotS powers, died overnight.

You have 72 hours

PARUPARUPARUPARU

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I've had another day to calm down and think some more about this game.
I actually did get quite pissed off during this game, and so I need to apologize to all of you.
I was letting myself get angry at UK's bait, and baiting UK in return. And then rage leads to more rage, and ragefests are no fun for anyone.
Not fun for people watching, not fun for the people involved. So I'm sorry about that.
So, let us be of good cheer and have fun during the remainder of this game and future games together.

Anyway, to content we go~
I wrote my post in Korean and ran it through google translate because I needed to cheer myself up yesterday and that was the easiest way to do so whilst still making an effort towards mafia.
If you look at the final section of the post, you'll see that the post was written properly there. I'd appreciate it if you didn't call my efforts "garbage".
I wasn't looking for reactions from you, because you're scum.
Let me ask everyone else:
How can the ~*~Townie Voting Block~*~ possibly be town motivated?
What purpose does it serve other than demotivating town, and giving scum safe opportunities to jump onto wagons?
Also, calling everybody stupid is really demotivating.
Oh yeah, demotivating town is scummy.
Also, if we're going to talk about attitude switches, remember one of my accusations about UK that I conceded in D2, the one about dismissing cases on her as being stupid and nothing else?
Guess what UK's been doing throughout D3&4.
Also, UK stopped making cases in D3. Like seriously.
UK opens up D3 with an excuse (splitting people into confirmation active/non-active) to post random gut cases.
And UK gets a gut read of scum on Chaore in this, after pretty much having not mentioned Chaore at all during D1&2.
So, UK has this magical gut read on Chaore that Chaore is scum.
If UK is so sure that Chaore is scum, UK should be able to make a case on him, right?
Well apparently not. Because the only other mentions of Chaore until Chaore outright states scum is that we should vote Chaore for no reason.
Like, literally. UK provides no reasoning whatsoever for why Chaore is scum, other than saying that Chaore is scum.
And then Chaore claims scum and UK goes on and on about how UK was right! UK can catches the scum!
You sure can, UK! You can catch the scum, all of them! Because you know who all the scum are! Comes with being scum yourself, you know.
Oh, and ~*~Townie Voting Block~*~ is scummy. And only scum would suggest it. But it's okay, because you're scum.
And for how much you want to defend yourself, you arguments against me all boil down to:
1) You're stupid and you're making no sense.
2) No you're scum and therefore what you say is invalid.
3) The ~*~Townie Voting Block~*~ is in no way scum motivated.
4) You can't use connections to tie me to the other scum because it was their actions, not mine.
I mean, in regards to 4, you didn't even deny it. You just said "Chaore did things, oooh. I can't really speak for him, now can I?" (#1042)

##Vote UncertainKitten

Anyway, finding the last scum.
I think the last scum is either Bardiche or huh what.
Can somebody explain to me why I get the impression that nobody is really looking at Bardiche at all?
It's like Shadoweh said, he's barely been contributing to town at all since the scum claims.
"Talking more isn't going to MAGICALLY PRODUCE scum results ─ because believe it or not, sitting around with confirmed scum in your midst isn't that motivating to looking beyond the obvious wine in front of us." (#947)
How about leading by example?
Talking more doesn't magically produce scum results, nothing does (bar various roles). Not talking at all is going to get even less done though.
My head goes round and round and round in circles trying to discern which one is the scum.
#681 huh what pushes the ~*~Townie Voting Block~*~ as a great idea, and that going against it is scummy.
Also continues to push the ~*~Townie Voting Block~*~ as a great idea in #975.
Like Schezo and Chaore, he also defended UK for being on the LLD wagon.
In other words, he's being overly defensive of UK. And I believe UK to be scum. So yeah.
Right now I'm leaning more towards huh what being the scums though.

Also, Hanged Hourai posting. That would be a nice thing to see.

[UncertainJakutten]

First things first. It's pretty clear I've been a total bitch this game and I owe all of you apologies. But in particular, I owe Dormio, PX, and Zak apologies for my awful early game behavior to them, and Dormio another apology for my continued sniping of him. I let my emotions get the better of me because of how I perceived the cases on me, then it spiralled out of control when Dormio started sniping back. I probably should have realized then that he was fraying but I just got more angry myself. So, I hope you accept my apologies, but I certainly understand if you don't. I have to get that out there though.

Now, this is awkward because Dormio is still the recruit scum. And yes, I'm posting a case why. Magically on D3 he attacks Shadoweh (WITH BARD), completely dropping me, something rather untelegraphed at all. Further, his opposition to the ~*~town voting block~*~ seems to stem a lot from the fact he wasn't in it. He picks up the case on me D4 again for really rather obscure reasons. I'm not going to rehash the town voting block argument again, but it's fairly clear how wrong he is. The rest of his case against me stems from stuff Chaore did, or in some cases didn't do regarding me, but completely ignores Chaore targetting me N1 with actions that would be far better used on a townie. His proposal is that Chaore would lie about this, but if you look at D3...if I was Chaore's original scumpartner, wouldn't I...uh...be doing well enough WITHOUT Chaore indirectly casting doubt on my townie status by claiming he targetted me? If Chaore was lying, I think it's more to set me up as the RECRUIT rather than to try to protect a scumbuddy. Perhaps you could elucidate how a hypothetical Chaore lying protects me, Dormio?

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Now Bard. Ohhhhhh Bard. You're fun. The worst part of your D1 feels like your case on Kiro. Why yes, I did the same thing. I'm just not sure I feel the same...intent behind your case. From what I can tell, it's parroting points I already made (i.e. the Weird != scummy thing, which is pretty much the entirity of your case) and then some "rage" at Kiro disrespecting the game. There's also a lot of soft pushes on people without much commitment out of LLD. In particular, what made you vote LLD over Schezo despite poking them for about fairly similar levels of suspicious activity? Interesting choice there, I think . I also note a lot of defense of Dormio when I point out his lack of effort, only giving as the Dormio wagon becomes more popular. ON TO D2!

The "regret nothing" post is awful. Just...awful. The "proposal to lynch Schezo on meta reasons" feels really awkward in hind sight. Fair amount of noise complaining about how people treat cases, and then a vote for Shadoweh that's pretty much silly. More importantly, it's INSTEAD OF DORMIO. I'll also note Chaore has not even been mentioned by Bard at all at this point. It's late D2. You will not find Chaore's name in any of Bard's posts. ...I...what were you even doing at the end of the day? It seems like you had a "healthy" suspicion of HW and voted Kiro instead because.... That looks terrible.

We all know how D3 went. Bard refuses my town voting block because it has Shadoweh in it, AND WANTS TO VOTE SHADOWEH OVER CONFIRMED SCUM CHAORE. Note this is about the first time Bard has ever said the word Chaore. And then when Chaore claims scum and Bard tries to eat the day. Fairly self explanatory.

And then D4 everyone was awful. The continued pushing of Shadoweh on what amounts to conspiracy theories is utterly amazing.

So, tl;dr, BardxDormio scum OTP

NOW! We have two things to discuss. One, it's MYLO, do we massclaim? Two, it's MYLO, do we vote No Lynch? TUNE IN TO THESE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS TODAY!

AAAAAAAAAND DORMIO VOTES IN MYLO!

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

RE: Chaore lying,

And, you know what? It doesn't matter if Chaore was telling the truth.
Chaore had a rolecop, right? What if he rolecopped UK on N1? What? What are you going to say about that?
He used the rolecop, found out whatever UK was, then turned UK into a vampire on N2.
It's not so strange that Chaore would want to cover his future recruit, is it?

Also, no.
I'm opposed to the ~*~Townie Voting Block~*~ because I cannot see how it can possibly be town motivated.
But either way, I've made my case. I believe UK is scum. It's up to the rest of you. Do you agree with me?