Author Topic: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Happily Ever After  (Read 133441 times)

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #210 on: June 18, 2011, 08:51:05 PM »
Pretty sure I answered the question.
 
Maybe I'm not the only one who's having a hard time reading?
 
Your question was about why I thought Shadoweh was scum potentially? Lack of RAEG at you for the vig.
 
Your fake vig is generally null, now that I think about it.
 
Any other questions you want answered?
 
Oh, and by "never mentioned it" I mean "never mentioned anything about how my posts affected my alignment" until now.
 
Only now, when PRESSED do you commit to calling me scum. It's interesting, but it's fitting with the rest of your play this game, so I'm going to treat it like I'm currently treating your vigshot.
 
UK, I'm going to trust you on Shadoweh for the moment, if you have something that you really think makes Shadoweh town, I'll keep with it.
 
Schezo's response was satisfactory.
 
Unvote; Vote: huh what


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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #211 on: June 18, 2011, 08:54:48 PM »
Vote Count

UncertainKitten (2) - Kiro, Dormio
Kiro (2) - Kitten4u, Dorian
Dormio (4) - Huhwhat, Chaore, Shadoweh, UncertainKitten
Huhwhat (1) - Schezo, LLD
Lady LambaDelta (2) - Bardiche, PX
Schezo (1) - Hourai

14 alive, 8 votes to lynch.
Deadline in 17 hours


Not voting - Zakeri

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #212 on: June 18, 2011, 08:57:31 PM »
Bardiche's actual gambit is a null tell, in my opinion. I do, however, believe that town is slightly more likely to attempt to end the RVS than scum, since scum have to draw attention to themselves in the process, and if their attempt goes wrong, it's usually not worth the pay-off. I also feel his posting and his opinions have been townie enough.

Posts #28 to #58 all came before my accusations of coasting, and each of the meatier ones could have been analyzed for scummitude. Just because they spawned from Bard's gambit doesn't mean that they're the exact same thing - my qualms were with people who were choosing to focus on voting Bard solely because of his gambit and really no one else. Even ragging on Bard for something other than his gambit would have been acceptable, but everyone seemed to just choose to vote him for having potentially shot somebody.

So uh, why am I scum again? You keep making nitpicks about my posts, but you haven't explained how my actions have scum intent.

Who sees something wrong with this post?
 
I spy with my little eye, a really terrible last line.
 
@Huh What: Please explain how people were "nitpicking".

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #213 on: June 18, 2011, 09:09:23 PM »
@LLD: What makes HW's posts different from mine asking the exact same thing? And Bard's earlier? In fact, I'm fairly sure I've accused PX of nitpicking my posts without finding scum intent.

Why the double standard?



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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #214 on: June 18, 2011, 09:09:56 PM »
Ergh, needed to go run a bit and cool off. Head's a bit messed up.

Bard: You're not the bad guy. This is Mafia and I overreacted in a bad way. Maybe my last post felt like I was reaching out for attention or some stupid shit like that. Me being petty, selfish, stubborn or all of the above. I think it'd be great if you and I could talk on TS after the game is over. And I'm not going to troll you or anyone in this game anymore; I can't do it right anyways so I'll quit while I'm behind.

Anyways, time to reread.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #215 on: June 18, 2011, 09:17:42 PM »
Triple posting is town etc.

I can understand Schezo a little better since his latest post, but there are still some things I want to call to question.

First of all, we have differing views of Huh What's actions. I'm an idiot neanderthaler now, why does Huh What's "let's look at people notBard" incite people to attack eachother over nothing?

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getting misreped makes me question how solid the case on him can really be

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I call it weird because I can still see you as Townie doing all this.

Kiro never calls UK scummy. He calls her "weird"; he follows up by saying the above quote. How is it a "misrepresentation" to misunderstand this as him meaning that "UK is town, but weird town"? A misunderstanding is not the same as misrepresentation, and just following off of Kiro's words rather than making your own observations doesn't do you favours.

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His case on UK is pretty clear and concise and I can understand the points he's making

My biggest problem here is that Kiro doesn't really have an outright "UK is scum" case. He says nearly literally that he needs more interaction to determine whether she remains his top scum choice or not, and not once claimed his vote was on definite scum.

Gah, cut again.

While I read LLD's response to me, please be so kind as to rehash why Huh What is bad and why we should be voting him, preferably with explanations why your interpretations of his actions are correct (or why you feel them to be), and why you feel that the case on Kiro is weak based solely on an arguable misrepresentation.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #216 on: June 18, 2011, 09:27:00 PM »
Capth replaces Dorian efffective immediately. Dorian may be required to replace back into the slot when capth is away from 25/06.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #217 on: June 18, 2011, 09:30:57 PM »
Pretty sure I answered the question.
 
Maybe I'm not the only one who's having a hard time reading?

These are the questions I submitted, and the answers I found in your posts. I trust you to correct me when I err.
Lambdadelta, why is Shadoweh's reaction scummy? Answer: It didn't fit how you thought Shadoweh would react.
What changed between the first line and the last line that you want to vote? Answer: I can't find it.
How does Shadoweh scum correlate to Bardiche scum, given the "distancing" would be an act of Shadoweh's to implicate me? Answer: I can't find it.
Reason out why a scum flip implicates scumBard, how a town flip implicates scumBard and how no flip implicates scumShadoweh. Response: I can't find it.
This is a vote for her to get on her suspicions post-haste and update it with a reasonable thread of logic so we can deduce how she arrived at her conclusion. Response: Schezo has an awkward exchange with UK, and he didn't answer her questions.
Hourai is town for being a bro.
Shadoweh is twitch.

New question: What about Schezo's exchange with UK is awkward, and how does this make him scum?
Why do you maintain a massive twitch over Shadoweh? Answer: You expected YELLING and WORDS, when Shadoweh claims she was pretty livid.

I'm calling you scum because you're attempting to evade answering anything in favour of attempting to push me into divulging "who are scum?" when I have been pretty open about my current thoughts. It's not townie to be avoiding answering questions, or being over-defensive to a simple oversight. This also happens when Shadoweh claims she was pretty demotivated and upset over getting fakevigged: you defend by saying that that wasn't what you expected, you expected RAEG. You keep backpedaling from what you really meant, and to top it off:

Oh, and by "never mentioned it" I mean "never mentioned anything about how my posts affected my alignment" until now.

A third revision, except:
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You never mentioned it or anything, or even attempted to determine my alignment from it

You explicitly said "never mentioned it", where "it" refers to the post, as your sub-clause is a mention that I never attempted to derive alignment from it. That's a trap statement, there was no alignment to derive from your singular post at the time, particularly because we were not armed with your reasoning yet.

We still aren't.

Verdict: Lambda is scum.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #218 on: June 18, 2011, 09:33:04 PM »
Anyway, what Bard pointed out is she's engaging in her favorite tell that she uses in mafia on MS. "Why me instead of X". She didn't have the X before. I still want Dormio dead, but an LLD lynch would not make me feel bad.


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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #219 on: June 18, 2011, 11:42:10 PM »
Starting the reread from Schezo's #159: Seeing you putting forth the case on HW kind of makes sense from my initial suspicion of HW. I think that also explains why I really didn't like UK much. I felt UK gave HW a clear with my earlier question to compare the difference between HW and Zakeri. But I'm not really sure that HW is actually giving a Town read to UK in #82 like Schezo claims. Which is why I'm getting a bit hung up on my UK case. Part of the case I want to make on UK is that she's being a buddy with HW. However, it's not good practice to push a scumpair so early. And looking at her individually, things continued to make less sense for a Scum UK. That being said, I understand your case on HW and will think about it more after I finish rereading. No recent posts from HW either. I'd bump him up as more suspicious than UK now.

As for Schezo himself, I can understand Schezo's points and the so called fence-sitting that he has on HW vs Dormio and Kiro vs UK seems realistically Town enough to me. A quick question to Schezo: how does Dormio fit into things if HW is Scum?

PX reads like lazy. Votes UK, has to be convinced that UK's Bard suspicion was fake and throws the second vote on LLD? Despite it all, I don't see how the vote on LLD fits into a Scum PX intent. He has none of his own weight behind that vote so if LLD actually flips today, I think people would be on PX regardless of what LLD flipped as. Feels more Townie.

Dormio needs more content and to explain his stances better. I could see why people are pegging him as Scum and UK being Town as a result for trying to push UK for minimally explained reasons. What's getting me hung up on Dormio is that his reactions to the early vig gambit seem like genuine Townie rage at Bard for what's going on. His complaints about #46 seems like Townie effort (his #66) to look into how UK could be Scum and builds on his eventual real Day 1 case on UK. Considering how vague and (for lack of better word) dishonest UK was about her reads, I think Dormio didn't really have Scum intent in his attacks. Waiting for his latest cases.

The UK case has pretty much dried up for today. Her early actions match that of her Town play and her overall questioning has been reasonable, even in regards to the case on me. The case on her was never very strong, so yes, I felt I got pigeonholed into having to make a case on someone I wasn't very confident about being Scum and that all of the first 7 are in fact Townies. I had to work and find something, got the little bit on UK and HW, and then it led to my troubles. How I should have started the Day was just to say, I'm not feeling Scum in any one of the first 7, state why, and that I would rather wait to see what the later 7 have to say. Which is hypocritical because I am one of the later 7 as well. Hence the throwing off of my game and my overzealous rage at Bard.

LLD: Getting hung up primarily on how you expected Shadoweh to react to the fake vig is odd. Perhaps a bit lazy. And pushing that forth as a case is also weak because Shadoweh has no way to objectively defend it. There isn't much else to your day's activity. She's blatantly bad about some things like "Hourai is town," doesn't make sense from a Scum point of view. The HW vote is... agreeable in a sense. My read on her is she's lazy. And her initial thing regarding Shadoweh is weird to start the day with. But almost a little too crazy to be sneaky Scum that she had every opportunity to be with how the Day began. I'm not sure she's the right one; answering Bard's questions will determine if I'm ok with her lynch.

So here I go, contradicting myself all over again. I can go for the HW lynch today. In your #136, there's a very generic statement calling Dormio scum. PX point is alright, but I will disagree since I currently read PX as Town. And you deferring to Bard and UK answering your hypothetical scenario is lazy at best. I still don't know why YOU used the words that you used. The only other real point to note is that he doesn't really address me at all after I had made my initial case other than that whole sarcasm thing. You didn't really seem to state an opinion about me or UK after that, instead spending time replying to Shadoweh about how you're trying to get people to comment about reactions to Bard's gambit away from the gambit itself. I'm basing my case on HW as to how lazy his case on Dormio is, a bit of bystandering during the whole vig ordeal and questioning, but lack of giving hard opinions as his real Day 1 case shows. I think Schezo covered the intent part fairly well: that by asking people to consider other people besides Bard, that it wasn't a fair question to ask because half the people hadn't commented ingame yet. It's obvious anyone respnding would limit their opinions to only the first 7 and that's another reason why I disliked UK straight up answering HW's #64 scenario without considering the later 7 people. He needs to show up, restate why he wants Dormio lynched and address what's going on in game now.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #220 on: June 19, 2011, 12:01:11 AM »
Sleep is for the transient people.
Sorry for not being around for the latter half of yesterday.
Anyway.

@UK 172: I hadn't parsed Bardiche's vig shot at the time, seeing as how I got cut by it.
Second thing about me, I was still thoroughly confused, but I was leaning more towards not-town.
I was entertaining the notion that Bardiche might have been a SK. I tend to go crazy when I'm tired.
"Playing it safe?" Well that's what I think you were doing.

@Shadoweh 168: Thoughts about you?
I don't think that you're scum You don't have a mic, ergo, you're not interesting to me.
Thoughts about Kitten4u?
I really don't like how one (out of two) of the points she used against me in her original case on me was that I didn't utilize my non-existent vote in the confirmation stage when she didn't even participate within said phase of the game.
I really don't know how to word this right, but you know, if you're going to call me out on gameplay in the confirmation stage, maybe it would have been better if you hadn't stated your disapproval of us posting during that time?
I mean, you ask us "why are you posting", meaning that you believe all gameplay aspects to be invalid, right? Yet you're the one that tries to call me out for not using fakevotes.
Bleh, words how do they work.
She hasn't said much after that, outside of her spat with Kiro.
In summation, I don't like Kitten4u and am leaning towards scum-aligned for her.

@Bardiche 207: If you had really shot like that, you would have had the lowest chance possible to hit scum.
It's just that, the way UK tried to set up your lynch if Shadoweh were to flip town, and the way she went about it made me feel that she knew it would have been guaranteed that Shadoweh would flip town.
Something like that, anyway.

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Oh fuck you Kiro.
brb reading.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #221 on: June 19, 2011, 12:07:56 AM »
More rhetoric, lovely. I appreciate the explanation of your failure to parse the vig shot. I don't like it, but at least I got it out of you.



Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #222 on: June 19, 2011, 12:08:28 AM »
@Schezo: I disagree that my question would have caused people to attack others over nothing. At the very least, the attacks would be on the levels of typical ED1 cases. It's not like every single post aside from Bard's gambit was completely perfect.

I think it was pretty obvious why UK looked like the best of the three Bard voters at that point. PX was derping around and Dormio was attacking UK while keeping his vote on the largest wagon.

I never told anybody to ignore Bard's gambit completely or leave it out of discussion, and it irritates me that people keep implying I did so. I never waffled on Bard, either - his actual gambit and his choice to end the RVS are different things in my mind.

Quote from: Shadoweh
What about Bard's posting and opinions is townie to you?
They seem logical to me and read fluently. It's obvious not a perfect town read, considering that it's D1 of all things. I just think he's more townie than not.

Quote from: UK
@HW 59: Just want a clarification. Do you think Dormio attacking me but voting Bard has any relation to my alignment? This isn't very clear.
It suppose it could, but that was not what was going through my head when I wrote the post. I was mainly seeing it as "Dormio is attacking other people while staying on the wagon that currently has the largest chance of going through".

Quote from: LLD
@Huh What: Please explain how people were "nitpicking".
"People"? The only person voting me at that time was Shadoweh. You act as if I was a major target or something.

Regardless, as far as I can tell, Shadoweh's case consisted of:
  • huh what attacked the people reacting to Bard's stunt despise not giving a full-on reaction himself
  • huh what accused people of coasting when nothing else had happened yet (not true)
  • Apparently something that she needed to know my opinions on Bard to solve?

Only one of these things is scummy, and it is also a misrep. The first point looked more like Gotcha Games to me than a legitimate point, since I should not have needed to react to Bard myself to pass judgment on those who did. Her question about my opinions on Bard still baffles me, since as far as I can tell they did not actually affect her case, and it seemed like she was trying to find something else to hang me on with that question. I do not know how not having entirely clear opinions on Bard would be scummy, since there was still evidence towards my actual take on the matter and he was clearly not a major target of mine at that point regardless. It's not like I had no clear opinions at all.

I still prefer a Dormio lynch above all else. A majority of his game has been spent tunneling on UK over weak points and invalid conspiracy theories and yet refusing to let go. He seems to be focusing on her way too much, which seems odd considering how weak his jabs at her are. I've been weary of people who come across as making shotgun attacks by being nitpicky rather than actually posting solid cases this game in general, and Dormio has possibly been the most notable example of this so far. If one ISOs his posts, it becomes pretty evident that while he has a large amount of points against UK, none of them are particularly overwhelming or convincing. UK has already defended herself pretty thoroughly so I don't intend to go through and attack Dormio's points, but as far as I can tell they pretty much speak for themself. It seems to me like Dormio is scum who made a weak earlygame case and is clinging to it while failing to provide substantial content regarding other players.

I dislike Shadoweh and PX too, as their initial votes were weak even for ED1 cases, and their later voteswitches come completely out of nowhere and seem rather out of place. It looks a lot like they just gave up on their past cases without actually explaining that they were backing down. As far as I am concerned, they are pretty much in the same boat right now. PX looks worse to me on paper since his Lambdadelta case makes just as little sense to me as the one on UK, but my gut tells me that Shadoweh is scummier because her switch to Dormio is seriously reminding me of when she backed off onto Sect during ED1 of Balanced Game of Mafia. I would be willing to switch to either, though, and I am not sure why so many people are giving Shadoweh free passes (really, guys, it's not like scum!Shadoweh couldn't have possibly been nervous about a town!Bard shooting her).

Why are people suddenly calling Hourai town again?

Cut by Kiro and Dormio. I guess if I wasn't a notable wagon earlier in the day I am now, sigh. I'll respond to Kiro later, was about to go do other things.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #223 on: June 19, 2011, 12:15:52 AM »
@HW: Shadoweh's reaction to the vig shot isn't why I'm clearing her, actually.

Also, what's wrong with Hourai?


Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #224 on: June 19, 2011, 12:45:14 AM »
Oh. Derp.

I don't think anything is wrong with Hourai, I just don't understand why Lambda would suddenly go out of the way to say that Hourai is town. He looks more null to me as is. (It also now occurs to me that Bard was quoting Lambda and was not actually saying that Hourai was town himself.)

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #225 on: June 19, 2011, 12:51:51 AM »
@HW: But, I believe I *have* said Hourai is probably town. So why take issue with LLD and not me saying that?


Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #226 on: June 19, 2011, 12:53:45 AM »
All I recall you saying is that his post is solid, which in itself would at least be more explanatory than just "Hourai looks like town".

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #227 on: June 19, 2011, 12:54:38 AM »
You might be right. But yes, I have a town read on Hourai right now.


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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #228 on: June 19, 2011, 01:03:27 AM »
It takes time to get infinite townie motivation back when you get shot down, hold your ballot boxes! >:( You know what I've realized? Day 1 is full of walls of text.

huh what: 'logical and reads fluently' isn't a reason to clear someone as town or scum, you're just complimenting his posting style. All three of those things you've listed were scummy. I fail to see how you ignoring the big thing happening and shooting at startled targets is accusing you of a gotcha game. I find it more likely that as scum you would avoid making an opinion on the OMG VIG SHOT because it would make you less of a target. Shooter vs shootee, as it were. Asking about your opinion on Bard had a clear town motive, I wanted to see what you thought of him and your reasoning for getting there so I could read your pattern. It annoys me you would accuse me of questioning you to fish for something to hang you by when after you answered I stopped voting for you. I seriously dislike your case on me, and seperately I think it makes you look scummy to me again.

I have no idea what I looked like from the outside when I voted Sect, but are you saying my vote on Dormio looks bad because you think Dormio is scum and I'm tapping my partner? I'm pretty sure it was the jump OFF of Sect that was horrible. I see no reason to stop bussing Dormio for townie cred right now. I'd like clarification of this.

Dormio: You appear to have hidden your thoughts about K4u under my name. Your refuting of what K4u said on you isn't based around disproving how scummy your action was, but trying to prove she did it too and worse and therefore it was okay when you did it.  No, it wasn't, and your defense is scummy as hell. And I think Kitten4u just might have told us why she hasn't posted again yet and it's a stupid point to hold against her.

ShoeCat, why are you sniping? You've been posting tiny tidbits of wisdom, can you explain your LLD read to me further? I don't think I'm processessing the 'Me instead of X' thing properly. My brain still hurts, explain it like I'm four years old.


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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #229 on: June 19, 2011, 01:10:10 AM »
@Shadoweh: Hidden? I thought I was being fairly straightforward.
I fail to see how I can defend myself from Kitten4u's accusations of not using my non-existent vote other than saying I believed that the action was moot at the time.
What I'm holding against her is the fact that she asked us why we were talking in the confirmation phase, which (unless I'm horribly mistaken) means that she also believed all gameplay factors to be invalid at that point, yet she holds the fact that I didn't change my vote that doesn't exist from Bardiche to UncertainKitten.
Also, what's with the sudden lashing out at me supposedly attacking Kitten4u for not posting again? If you read, you'd see that the last comment was about the fact that she's said very little outside of her non-vote case on me and the small spat with Kiro that I still need to reread.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #230 on: June 19, 2011, 01:15:40 AM »
So ITT UK calls me out on a tell that I use extensively, but IGNORES IT WHEN I POINT IT OUT ABOUT HUH WHAT .
 
And it was pretty obvious too. I pointed out the line for you.
 
Tell me UK, speaking of "double standards" here's a few questions for you:
 
1) Where did I ask "why me"?
2) Why did you ignore huh what's blatent use of this tell, yet call me out for it?
 
(Oh and about YOUR double standard comment; I actually didn't notice that you did that, but you're just as bad for doing it)

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #231 on: June 19, 2011, 01:18:26 AM »
All I recall you saying is that his post is solid, which in itself would at least be more explanatory than just "Hourai looks like town".

"His posting is solid" is basically the same as saying nothing. Obviously if I'm calling him town this early on, it will be based on, you know, his posting.
 
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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #232 on: June 19, 2011, 01:25:24 AM »
Question for Dormio.  When did UK become scummier than Bard to you?  Can you either link to the post or give general post number range if you don't remember?

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #233 on: June 19, 2011, 01:33:10 AM »
@Kitten4u: It started nagging at me after #49, then I changed my mind after Bledibleh posted. (#70)

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #234 on: June 19, 2011, 01:57:27 AM »
Your pressing of Bard reads a lot like "Why me?" The only thing missing is the instead of X, which gets filled later with your thing about HW that basically makes no sense.

I don't see any instance of HW using the tell.

That said, it's an awful tell. Only reason I'm using it on you is because you're the one who often uses it. People's tells tend to apply most to themselves.

@Shadoweh: The why not X tell is one LLD uses with dubious results on MS, where someone is under fire and saying "But X did the same thiiiiiiingggg! Why not THEEEEEMMMM". Oh, huh, would you look at what LLD is doing right the fuck now :O


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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #235 on: June 19, 2011, 01:59:58 AM »
Your pressing of Bard reads a lot like "Why me?" The only thing missing is the instead of X, which gets filled later with your thing about HW that basically makes no sense.

I don't see any instance of HW using the tell.

That said, it's an awful tell. Only reason I'm using it on you is because you're the one who often uses it. People's tells tend to apply most to themselves.

@Shadoweh: The why not X tell is one LLD uses with dubious results on MS, where someone is under fire and saying "But X did the same thiiiiiiingggg! Why not THEEEEEMMMM". Oh, huh, would you look at what LLD is doing right the fuck now :O


By your logic UK, I should be stating that your use of Meta in this case makes you scum, because you hate meta so much?
 
Your argument is very weak, and something you have never advocated to my knowledge before.
 
I can't help but wonder what the motivation behind it is.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #236 on: June 19, 2011, 02:03:10 AM »
@Shadoweh: Hidden? I thought I was being fairly straightforward.
I mean how it's literally right under 'thoughts about Shadoweh'. I thought you were asking me about K4U at first. I supose before I go all chainsaw defending I should make sure I like her post first.
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Also, what's with the sudden lashing out at me supposedly attacking Kitten4u for not posting again? If you read, you'd see that the last comment was about the fact that she's said very little outside of her non-vote case on me and the small spat with Kiro that I still need to reread.
Because Shadoweh x Kitten4u forever Because you're implying she has little content because she hasn't spammed a thousand times and you completely ignore any of the content in her post that didn't have the word Dormio before it. Is there anything actually wrong with her post? Can you point out anything besides the one morsel you latched onto to disagree with? Whether she disliked people posting before the game started or not, I think it would be more anti-town if she pretended that phase never happened, don't you?

Kitten4u: I think all I want from you is an update of your case on Kiro after his explanation (he was trolling), as well as reads on other people, especially Schezo. At least half of your post is a love note to me about how townie I reacted (why thank you <3) but I'd like to know more about what you think about them other people.

People I've forgotten exist: Zakeri, Chaore. Zak I'm pretty sure hasn't posted since the game started and should have been prodded by now. Chaore posted a decent amount of reads, so I'd just like him to get back in here and update his opinion on PX now that PX has posted more :words:

ShoeCat: Oh. Uh, but I'm doing that right now with Dormio. Literally, that exact tell, like, look at what he's saying about Kitten4u and his actions. I'm personally more bothered by how she seems to have completely ignored Bardiche's last post with some questions and a case she should probably respond to. HEY LAMBDA, SOMEONE MADE A CASE ON YOU THAT YOU SHOULD PROBABLY RESPOND TO AND ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT.


Kitten4u: "I'll say it plainly: THERE IS NO WAY SHADOWEH IS SCUM!" - A Balanced Game of Mafia

Lexicat

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #237 on: June 19, 2011, 02:03:45 AM »
Bardiche's actual gambit is a null tell, in my opinion. I do, however, believe that town is slightly more likely to attempt to end the RVS than scum, since scum have to draw attention to themselves in the process, and if their attempt goes wrong, it's usually not worth the pay-off. I also feel his posting and his opinions have been townie enough.

Posts #28 to #58 all came before my accusations of coasting, and each of the meatier ones could have been analyzed for scummitude. Just because they spawned from Bard's gambit doesn't mean that they're the exact same thing - my qualms were with people who were choosing to focus on voting Bard solely because of his gambit and really no one else. Even ragging on Bard for something other than his gambit would have been acceptable, but everyone seemed to just choose to vote him for having potentially shot somebody.

So uh, why am I scum again? You keep making nitpicks about my posts, but you haven't explained how my actions have scum intent.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #238 on: June 19, 2011, 02:05:57 AM »
Hello everyone!

I?m still completing my LLD and Huh What rereads, but in the mean time, I do have some reads on K4U and Schezo.


K4U:
##Vote Kiro

Your entire case on UK is on stuff that was done during the confirmation phase.  This is fine, but why didn't you bother to say any of this when you first posted rather than random voting?  Why was seeing Shadoweh's flip/whether or not Bard was lying so important that you would basically not scumhunt until you got it?  I'm also not really fond of the attack on HW either, particularly the mention of #77.  I thought his next post clarified what he was doing there very well, so not being able to understand what he meant by it smells a little funny to me.

While attacking Kiro in itself is fine, I find two of the points in your attack on Kiro strange. Namely, I disagree with your reasoning that choosing to wait until we knew whether Bard?s vig was real is scummy, and I disagree with your conclusion that Kiro using a joke vote in the standard joke vote phase is scummy. I understand why you don?t consider it optimal play, but joke voting immediately after the non-standard confirmation phase and wanting to know whether a vig is real or not before commenting on it both strike me as null tells; I myself may have done the joke vote regardless of allignment, and I would definitely have waited on the vig. A lot has happened since that post; could you explain your Kiro vote some more, in light of his play since your vote? Right now, I find you somewhat suspicious.

Schezo:
In your last post, you talked about the other players a lot. However, you didn?t mention the player you?re currently voting for, Huh What. You?ve posted twice (not including a short, null confirm), and in the only post since your vote you don?t have any follow through on the player you are voting for. Furthermore, it?s all somewhat passive. Yes you?re telling us your opinions on other players, and you tell us their actions are ?bad?, but you aren?t telling us whether you find the players themselves to be town, null, suspicious, or scummy. While I understand not having the best reads on day 1, I don?t know which players from your most recent post you think are suspicious and scummy, and which players you think are town. It give you a lot of flexibility. With the Huh What wagon gaining speed, I would like to hear what you think of his more recent play. I find the lack of commitment on reads, and the lack of follow through on Huh What suspicious.

UncertainJakutten

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #239 on: June 19, 2011, 02:08:51 AM »
I already used meta on Kiro. Might as well not stop now. Don't you hate meta too? Seems you're driving at it too. Looks like this will be a rather meta game~

@Shadoweh: Like pointing it out about Dormio? Well, I am voting him already soooo...
If you meant you were saying "Why not Dormio instead of me", first, I didn't notice that, and second, I'm more comfortable applying the tell to LLD than anyone else because she uses it herself. That implies to me that, as scum, she would engage in said behavior.