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Dormio Ergo Sum

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #150 on: June 17, 2011, 11:16:58 PM »
@Shadoweh: Does "funny" and "bad feeling" equate to you thinking that UK is scum, or something else?

@Kitten4u: I didn't change my non-existant vote to UK because it was non-existant.
And I forgot to:
##Vote UncertainKitten

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #151 on: June 17, 2011, 11:23:51 PM »
One on every page

UncertainKitten (2) - Kiro, Dormio
Bardiche (1) - Lady Lambdadelta
Kiro (2) - Bardiche, Kitten4u
Dormio (1) - Huhwhat
Huhwhat (1) - Shadoweh


Not voting - Everyone else

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #152 on: June 17, 2011, 11:26:38 PM »
Quote from: Dormio
I didn't change my non-existant vote to UK because it was non-existant.
Quote from: Me from last post
He says that the reason he didn't vote for UK was just because votes didn't count.  I believe that fakevotes have their own meaning, and I find not switching to the person you find the scummiest, even if you only have a fakevote, suspicious.
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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #153 on: June 17, 2011, 11:36:42 PM »
So Kiro, your case on UK is that she could be town just as well as scum, but since it's ~*weird*~ you're voting her?

HOW IS WEIRD 'SCUMMY', AND WHY THE HELL DO YOU WANT TO LYNCH SOMEONE YOU THINK IS TOWN?

Capitals so I'm sure you'll catch it. Ignoring people's attacks on you in favour of a wishy-washy "could be town could be scum" case doesn't really impress me, and it's certainly not town-minded.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #154 on: June 18, 2011, 02:38:18 AM »
UK: You gonna tell me what you don't like about my case on you? Your comment to Dormio is that he hasn't explained how you could be Scum, but for me, you just have a bad feeling about me. My impression from that post is that I actually put forth a case that isn't exactly hogwash. You realize I can't update my read on you if that's all you're going to say when I have some feeling that you could be Town. Also, answer my question about HW and Zak.

Bard: No, weird is not always scummy. Weird means it's a point that needs public discussion. And no, I don't want to lynch someone who I think is Town. I said that I could see UK as Townie doing what she did. I'm not flat out saying that I have a Town read on her. Here's my caps in return: DO NOT MISREP ME. Whether I continue to see her as Scum or not will require some more back and forths between her and myself so I am waiting on her.

Doing the HW reread, there's some active questioning going on that looks good. I see why HW brought forth what he said in #64 because apparently he couldn't get through to UK on #61. I guess that copied case is more amazing than I give it credit for because he got UK to open up within the 14 minutes between #62 and #71. And I missed reading HW's #82 as a clarification that his #77 is sarcasm. Frankly, I couldn't parse that either. It's primarily that UK opened up to HW when she was all so secretive about her non-Bard reads that drew my first look at HW. I don't think I'd pursue HW if I decide to switch off of UK today.

K4U: Is that all your case is on me? That I didn't look like I wanted to scumhunt and because I expressed suspicion over something HW did that I clearly did not understand? There's not much I can respond to there that I probably haven't already covered now. I'll wait for the rest of the game to join in and if I'm still your top suspect by the Day's end, I'll worry more. You seemed to cover most everyone else in your post so I actually don't have a question for you.

To answer the jokevote concern from both Bard and K4U requires me making a personal attack. So here it goes. My jokevote is a counter-troll specifically aimed at Bard. For messing up the early game by reaction fishing through only half the player base when Scum were more likely than not willing to just sit it out and let Town trip over something that would not generate anything conclusive. You realize you singlehandedly shoehorned the entire Day 1 discussion to just the 7 or so players who bothered to post in the fake pregame unless someone willingly stuck their retarded neck in? Who are people voting? Only those first 7 and me because I'm of the retarded neck variety. But whatever. I am willing to take the heat and multiple cases thrown on me just so I can befuddle Bard back. And it was all too easy (hello Mr. Capslock) considering you said you hate RVS and jokevotes in #54. Whether I rue this action or not is my personal challenge for today so we'll see where it goes from there.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #155 on: June 18, 2011, 02:43:18 AM »
I wasn't aware you had a question about HW and Zak. Restate it?

I've explained my bad feeling already. Town Kiro tells me why I'm scum. I'm getting the feeling Scum Kiro is telling me and the town why I'm "weird", and pretending that means scum. I'm not sure how this was unclear.

I've explained why I opened up to HW after my secrecy, right? I'm pretty sure I did, but in case I didn't, I decided that transparency was better at that point. Before I had thought I could get more reactions by holding back, but between HW exposing Bard *could* be gambiting (a possibility I had considered, but felt would be anti town to mention), and the fact that I couldn't come up with what reactions I was looking for, I decided to give an answer. I also wanted to see others answer, so I led the charge.


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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #156 on: June 18, 2011, 02:55:20 AM »
And answer for me how Huh What was being level-headed in #64 while Zak was being hilarious in #69.

That's the question, based on things you said in #71. I didn't particularly like why 2 people wondering what your thoughts were led to one of them being called "good" and the other being called "stupid."

If your reaction fishing changed because you thought HW spoke the unspoken thing (hello Edible's signature), I could understand that better. And you did say that at the end of #62 and then kinda relented at #71 so I can see that change in thought process. I just didn't connect the dots because I expected you to announce a change in thought in the same post, not your previous one.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #157 on: June 18, 2011, 03:05:58 AM »
I went ahead and reread your posts Kiro to make sure I wasn't being unfair (it did take me 3 hours and four rereads of that pre-game clusterfuck to post that after all), but I really don't think I am.  My HW point is not my main point, and I don't see where you addressed my other concern in your previous posts.  Why was resolving the Bard/Shadoweh thing so important that you couldn't start scumhunting right out of the gate?  Because I see nothing in your case about UK that happened after D1 started.  Would Bard being an actual vig/not being a vig change things that much?  I don't really see anything in your UK case that would have changed.  The HW point was just something that struck me as not paying attention.  If that were my only point I would be voting for Dormio right now because it's not a strong point at all.  I still felt it was worth mentioning though.

As for everyone else, don't worry I won't forget about them.  I already feel like their lurking reflects poorly on them when we have so much to work with right now.  But I can't really say anything about them until the actually post.
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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #158 on: June 18, 2011, 03:09:25 AM »
IIRC HW wasn't calling me scum for it. If I'm incorrect, then I must have misread something. Zak calling me scum with his...special case was kind of hilarious, really. Particularly given the fact that Zak often calls me scum incorrectly (though that's not part of my argument, just a kind of funny thing I note in general).

OK, so, about that reread. I'll do it tomorrow morning. I am on FIRE when I mafia in the morning. Today's been too long and too much DnD and work and asgdfasagjanaaksajsdglija

For now, placeholder

##Vote Kiro

Things aren't adding up for me, and I'm comfortable placing this until I have more solid reads. That's...L-5 I think, if I can math at all.




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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #159 on: June 18, 2011, 04:56:27 AM »
Opening nonspell go!

huh what:
An earlier thing that stood out to me about you was your semi loaded question in 64.  Things wrong with this are, Bards gambit now it seems, was a pretty big point that made up most of the game at that point.  That, and nothing else really happened that wasn't almost directly connected to the gambit.  Since half of the game had yet to report in, people could have just had null reads, not found anyone more scummy than Bard and his actions, no matter how easy of a case it was to make. 
77's satire followed by 82's what reads to me as more satire explaining it reads as strange.  What comes out of it makes me uneasy since 82 seems to be HW giving UK a townie read, which is plausible.  What had UK done at that point to make you think she is town?  Also starts the "obviously trend".
Obviously trend continues with 144 stating that he knew Bard was gambiting and that obviously there was much more before post 64 that could have been talked about between the players that got loud enough to make noise in the confirmation phase to leave Bards gambit completely out.  Except the part where the gambit was still a major part in all discussion at that point, so I'm feeling backtracking coming from 144 and 148's, huge waffle on Bard, which still hasn't answered how anything from the "obviously trend" which wasn't obvious or stated otherwise earlier, isn't deserving of scrutiny for what it is.  Backtracking.
##Vote: huh what

I find myself heavily backing the idea from Kiro that pages 2-5 are incomplete and people are treating the game as just the people who made noise during that period.  While it's nice to start making cases and all, people attacking others for not choosing someone who's already posted as scum when scum could be lurking are eyebrow raising; as well as the people who are already making scumpairs.  I mean what the fuck?
More Kiro, is that I'm not following the case on him.  His read to me is null at worst, reading more townie to me.  His 154 is insightful and seems to have townie intend while clearing up some stuff and bring a pretty big piece to the table about how the game is about the 7 people who talked first thanks to the gambit, because at this point it seems like the flat out truth, though I don't want to touch him until I get a flip.

UK: Makes logical sense like always.  I can't get a read on her so null until I at least get a flip.

Dormio: Lot's of people have given him scrutiny that I can see for awful votes, crazy theories, not matching words with actions.  And he still disagrees with others who say that even if pregame didn't count officially, votes made show intent on what you think.  Which is more bad logic to add to his actions not equaling his words.  I'd buy the Dormio case but I want to see huh what's first.

orz more ~words~ when I has the time.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #160 on: June 18, 2011, 05:03:27 AM »
OK. So...let me get this straight Schezo. I make logical sense. But...you don't see the case on Kiro. I am voting Kiro, and find him scum for the way he's attacking me. Further, my "logical" proposal was that pages 2 through 5 matter, even in the case of a gambit. So, what are you saying?

Secondly, you think Durrmio is bad logicking it up. Do you think his bad logic makes him scum?

Thirdly, I don't follow the case on Huh what. Could you elucidate it concisely for me? Tell me what posts are precisely scum intended, and why. It feels like you have inflated your case with "weird" stuff that's mostly null.


Chaore

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #161 on: June 18, 2011, 05:16:34 AM »
##Vote: Dormio

Really...I. Really. You're still thinking UK is scum for, let me check... Ah, as you said in #83, how UK reeks of confirmation bias? Be great if you elaborated more with like, anything. I want to know if you still are just sticking to that for your reasoning or if you have -anything- else and why your view hasn't changed a bit over the last two pages. It doesn't help you're poking at Shadoweh for her UK read while not elaborating, almost as if you're waiting for a wagon to start so you can steal points.

I'm also not getting your big hate on #46 myself. Care to break it down, instead of throwing terms on it to try and make it look bad while not explaining why it's so terrible and scummy? I want to know why you're looking at that post and saying 'UK is totally god damn scum' since you haven't made a stink about any of her posts since then.

You're not even really pushing a case here, you're just trying to say 'this person looks bad' and hoping town takes a look at their actions and finds them scummy enough to look and start a wagon while trying to cover your ass here. That's not townie play, Dormio.

As for Bardiche's gambit and following- I'd really only have large issues is Bardiche actually went through with it, though I'd probably be a bit biased with him towards town because it's the kind of thing he does, but I'm honestly just filing it under Bardiche's rampant hatred of RVS. I think he needs to talk about his issues with it with someone. It's starting to get out of hand.

Shadoweh's reaction makes perfect sense for someone who just got vigged. I don't really think you could ask for more from someone who had to have serious doubts on if she was even alive anymore. In the same sense, I...kinda see UK's posts making perfect sense as a reaction to someone just getting shot within a few moments of the game. My only complaints are that she really could've used a moment to calm down and post something that wasn't as clear cut, but I fear she would've used her typical style of making everything black and white anyway, and that's not really anything particularly scummy.

Other than that, I'm going to give a stink eye to PX for trying to wander out of making a comment on Bardiche's gambit after making a meaningless post and 'sticking his retarded neck out' in response to the gambit. If you're going to say something, place a -vote- even, fucking write something more than 'WRRRY' over and over. And then don't curl into a ball when people expect you to say something and wait for the mod to force you to. Willing to see him die.

As for Kiro, I'm going to express dislike in how you're deliberately counter-trolling even if i get the intent and respect it. There's better ways to express dislike than trying to aggravate other players. Like using cuss words over and over and being unnecessarily mean! (look at me and my glass house). I seriously see no actual issue with him, and given a majority of the votes of him are based on the jokevote out of RVS alone I'd prefer not to see him lynched today.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #162 on: June 18, 2011, 05:26:52 AM »
Why was resolving the Bard/Shadoweh thing so important that you couldn't start scumhunting right out of the gate? Because I see nothing in your case about UK that happened after D1 started.  Would Bard being an actual vig/not being a vig change things that much?  I don't really see anything in your UK case that would have changed.

I don't care if you say you're fair or not. Why are you appealing to me that you are? If I think you aren't, I will call you out on it and list examples of where I see it. The verdict is still open in that regard because you're primarily going on your feelings. There's little else I can do other than to just assuage your worry. That is a bit "unfair." Other than that, I have no issue with your line of questioning and your opinions are adequately covered.

To answer your above question: because even if I was 99% sure it was a gambit, there's no certainty until there is certainty. Until Bard or the mod confirmed something, it was unresolved. And until then, I wanted reactions from the other people that hadn't posted in the pregame. But I should have realized being one of the first ones to report in for official start means that I should have set the example and started scumhunting at the start rather than hope to find something from someone else. An error in judgement on my part. I really wanted to lurk though ED1 because I'm way more confident that there are more scum in the later 7 rather than in the first 7. But alas, I would look like a hypocrite if I did it that way. So I tried to take the best from both worlds (respond early while hoping I could get reads on others), and it quickly became apparent it wasn't going to fly. So I produced my case.

I guess there isn't too much new to UK's case other than she didn't suspect Bard at the start unlike during fake Day 1 and she only decided to place her first vote 12 hours into the day on me as a placeholder because "things don't add up." Leaving me hanging once again.

IIRC HW wasn't calling me scum for it. If I'm incorrect, then I must have misread something. Zak calling me scum with his...special case was kind of hilarious, really. Particularly given the fact that Zak often calls me scum incorrectly (though that's not part of my argument, just a kind of funny thing I note in general).

So the primary difference was one voted you and one didn't. Go more into why Zak's case was special then. Him getting you wrong in the past doesn't say anything about this current game. He could very well be right. I'll also see if Zak still thinks you're Scum. As for what I think of you now, I'm not sure. I can clearly see how Townie UK would have approached the fake Day 1 and it matches quite well, but real Day 1 is different. No PX case or vote has been produced, a bit of consternation at Dormio, but no real follow through with him as you seemed to be waiting for whatever I said and even after I have answered some things for you, there is a placeholder vote on me with no further questions for me to address. You were gungho throughout fake Day 1 so the mellowing out is a noticable change.

Also UK, since it was mentioned a bit in K4U's question, why did you drop Bard from your suspicion list at the start of official Day 1? How did things change there from when you first saw Bard try the fake vig during fake Day 1?

Cut: Whoa, some more players have arrived. Skimmed it all, will comment later. I need a gaming break.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #163 on: June 18, 2011, 05:40:07 AM »
EBWOP: Probably didn't answer the following part too well.

Would Bard being an actual vig/not being a vig change things that much?

It could have. When the difference between the 2 is a person dying or not, it very well could have. I tried to withhold judgement on that as long as I possibly could.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #164 on: June 18, 2011, 05:47:18 AM »
Was wondering when you'd ask about that. I wasn't actually 100% convinced of Bard scum at any point. But I acted like I was to see how people would react. That's what I need to farm pre game for. To see what reactions made sense now that I'm not in the moment. Of course, people are going to say I'm backtracking now. So be it ^-^.

As for being mellow today, let me put it this way. I woke up about noon. I had to complete more than an hour of work in an hour, to be ready for DnD. Then I ran DnD for fourish hours. Almost directly from that, I ended up playing DnD for 3 hours. I was free about 10 PM, but I still haven't really felt up to reading the game. I've been responding to what's happening now because I should at least try my best at that. But the rest of the good stuff will have to wait for me to reread. I *have* posted a short case on PX, about how his refusal to comment on fake D1 was simply awful. He should have just not posted if he wasn't going to react. So, essentially, I'm kind of taking it easy because I've been distracted throughout most of today, and will hopefully be smashing into scum with the fury of 1000 suns tomorrow. I wonder how much you'll get burned when I do that, Kiro ^-^.





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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #165 on: June 18, 2011, 07:19:40 AM »
Ugh, tired, hungry, and eyes hurting posting, let's go.

Let me clarify my post 55. It was a rushed post, and I only read Bard's latest post after my last post. It was a direct response to Bard saying that my "case" on him wasn't serious.

Now...
Quote from: UK
Was wondering when you'd ask about that. I wasn't actually 100% convinced of Bard scum at any point. But I acted like I was to see how people would react. That's what I need to farm pre game for. To see what reactions made sense now that I'm not in the moment. Of course, people are going to say I'm backtracking now. So be it ^-^.
...Yeah no. Seems like a convenient way to hide everything you said pre-game.

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I see no need to pursue whether Bard's shot was a gambit or not at this time, HW. I don't appreciate you bringing that possibility up.
Yes, because your entire case relied on if he was a vig.

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Bard's vig shot being a gambit does not really change much.
I have different reasons for not encouraging considering Bard's shot a gambit

But... you... Fine, what reasons? All you have been saying about Bard is that he is scum if he is a vig. You haven't given any clue as to why you think he's scum for some other reason. At the same time, you're putting Bard off the "scum" list because your sole reason for voting for him would instantly become invalidated if he wasn't a vig. Which... yeah.

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@Zak: It doesn't change how I feel about Bard, per se. I suppose it would change the facts I use to indict him. But, I did say it wouldn't change "much"
So you're saying you have reasons why Bard IS scum that isn't involved with his fake!vig... but you haven't said anything about those reasons. Your only case on Bard is that he shot someone instantly, his target was enough to validate him as 100% scum, and you say you have different reasons he's scum?

D1, you say this
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Bard might be scum, but his shot won't be what indicts him.
So now you're saying that his fake!vig isn't the reason he's scum... SO WHY HAVE YOU BEEN DOING NOTHING BUT SAYING THAT IS THE REASON HE IS SCUM?!

Rageless version: You're saying you have a secret case on Bardiche while pushing another case on him, then trying to get the case you're pushing to vanish from everyone as it's getting invalidated.

##Vote: UK

@Chaore:

Holy god, did you not read my 115/116. Also, WRYYYY is my "This post got cut" message.

Post more tomorrow when I'm not busy because I'm about to drop dead from hunger and sleep right now.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #166 on: June 18, 2011, 07:20:57 AM »
Freaking hell.
I don't recall biology being this hard.
Whatever.

@Kitten4u: Well, I was thinking that it would be fine to continue discussing without votes, you know, since they were completely invalid.
But I really don't like it if you're going to try to use that to push a case on me.

@Chaore: Like I've said, it sounded to me like UK had far too much confidence that Shadoweh was definitely town.

Sorry, kind of out of it today.
Not to mention I got cut by PX!

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #167 on: June 18, 2011, 07:30:23 AM »
Have another one

UncertainKitten (3) - Kiro, Dormio, PX
Bardiche (1) - Lady Lambdadelta
Kiro (3) - Bardiche, Kitten4u, UncertainKitten
Dormio (2) - Huhwhat, Chaore
Huhwhat (2) - Shadoweh, Schezo


Not voting - Everyone else

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #168 on: June 18, 2011, 09:47:13 AM »
<---- Avatar is WAY too happy, see how nice I was going to be when this game started? :<

Was wondering when you'd ask about that. I wasn't actually 100% convinced of Bard scum at any point. But I acted like I was to see how people would react. That's what I need to farm pre game for. To see what reactions made sense now that I'm not in the moment. Of course, people are going to say I'm backtracking now. So be it ^-^.
Don't sound surprised when I call you out for a lack of conviction when you admittedly didn't believe in what you were saying then. Did you actually believe Bard's vig shot was scummy, yes or no, answer please.

And the only time I've personally experienced Zak calling you scum is when you were actually scum.

huh what: Do you remember that time when Bard ended the jokevote phase in Zombies? Which alignment was he again? Your explanation fails because it's a general statement about good town play that applies to anyone except the person you're applying it to. What about Bard's posting and opinions is townie to you? To me it seemed at the time like you were coasting behind Bard, but right now I can't really find a problem with pro-actively pushing us towards seriousness.

Kiro: Just seeing a case on you is weird enough to make me read and see what the fuss is about. After reading post #154 a few times I'm honestly confused how you feel about UK. If you have that much doubt perhaps you should take a look at the other suspects, then restate your case befire deciding if you still believe in it.

I don't think I would be willing to lynch Kiro, and he's right that we've polarized this game into vote the actives, just take a look at the wagons. Everyone on the current wagons needs to take a look around once the slowbies poke their heads out and decide if we're going to ignore them because they slept in. This is going to be a short day, so they had every reason to stay back and let us kill each other.

Dormio: Yes, Dormio, bad feelings relates to me being suspicious of someone being red flavored. I get that you think votes were invalid. That's the only thing I get from you. What do you think about me? How about Kitten4u? Got any updated ideas on why UK could be scum? She's posted a few more times, I think you can do better then a scumslip. Give me your opinions Kyubey Fox.

I feel so used. :ohdear: I wanted to start this game by voting for someone silly then trashing my image so I wouldn't look towny tomorrow, and instead I seem to be established as Obvtown again. I can't even appreciate this because by Day 3 it'll be in doubt all over again, so thanks, thanks alot! >.<

##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio


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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #169 on: June 18, 2011, 12:23:43 PM »
Not too impressed with Kiro's "Hey I'm trollan" and calling half the game "retarded", and I'd want him removed from the game for that alone. It reminds me why I sat back the previous game because fuckall if I want to bother with people being strictly anti-town for the sake of bullying a specific player in the game. I had expected more of Kiro, but I am a poor judge of character.

"lolz im trolling" is not a valid excuse to take deliberate action counter to moving the game or even accomplishing any of the goals Kiro claims he set out to do, and if his personal goal here is to "befuddle" me, i.e. deliberately create uncertainty which is pro-scum, I will vote him as scum. In fact I would really like to lynch him but I'm sure there's personal bias now over how he's saying he wants to be a dick just because he disliked how I wanted to move out of RVS immediately. And if your intent is to make me regret playing again, good work, you've succeeded. Pat on the back.

Schezo, I'll need to quote you here.
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I find myself heavily backing the idea from Kiro that pages 2-5 are incomplete and people are treating the game as just the people who made noise during that period.  While it's nice to start making cases and all, people attacking others for not choosing someone who's already posted as scum when scum could be lurking are eyebrow raising; [...] I mean what the fuck?

I read this as, "Please lurk until lurkers post", and while I know MotK has a hardon for lurking, waiting on lurkers is not a healthy action. Lurkers become apparent for not posting soon enough, and I could already jot down who are lurking heavily and who are active lurking simply for providing almost nothing. There's far more to post on than simply the seven that opened the game, and if you hadn't noticed no matter what happens, people always tunnel towards a specific group on D1. This is nothing new and you treating it as such is :psyduck:. Moreover, does that mean you think there are no scum in the seven who posted, or is it just bad to vote for someone who is scummy because there could be a scummier alternative in lurk? I see you vote Huh What who belonged to the first seven, why this disconnect?

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More Kiro, is that I'm not following the case on him.  His read to me is null at worst, reading more townie to me.  His 154 is insightful and seems to have townie intend while clearing up some stuff and bring a pretty big piece to the table about how the game is about the 7 people who talked first thanks to the gambit, because at this point it seems like the flat out truth, though I don't want to touch him until I get a flip.

Okay, cite parts to support your opinion. Which parts are insightful and have townie intent, what is he clearing up and how is him stating the obvious about the seven players a "pretty big piece"?

##Unvote
##Vote: Lady Lambdadelta


Let's head to this piece of bafflement then. Lambda, please restate your logic on why both Shadoweh and I are scum, or at the very least on why I am scum. You're voting me despite saying you won't vote over a vig shot, that vig shot is now ~*fake*~. I don't like your logic of how I am scum if I am really a dayvig, and how Shadoweh is town if I am, BUT if Shadoweh isn't dead then she is surely scum, and if she flips scum then so am I.

No, really, enlighten me here on how this scenario works out because I am not seeing it.


As for PX and Dormio, not touching those wagons because PX seems like he's at least trying and his case on UK seems to be fairly town-minded, attacking her on points that I agree look odd. Dormio I want you to post more. I'll withhold opinion on UK until I have time to sort through everything and get less annoyed with Kiro's "imma trollan :toot:".

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #170 on: June 18, 2011, 12:38:20 PM »
- Obvious etiquette, such as playing to win, not starting unnecessary fights, and not editing posts, should be observed.
- Each player must post once every 24 hours, lest they get prodded.  Too much of this will result in a modkill up to my discretion.
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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #171 on: June 18, 2011, 01:31:12 PM »
@PX: So, essentially, the case on me now is that because I was reaction fishing I must be scum. Awesome. Yes, the gambit thing was a pain, but not for the stupid reason you stated, but for the reason /I've/ stated several fucking times at this point. Secondly, if you assume that my 100% scum bard case is not an actual thing, like I JUST FUCKING STATED, the red text becomes much truer. You're basically stuck on assuming I actually thought Bard was certainly scum, which is not the god damn case, and my red text actually backs me up pretty solidly there. Again, talking to Zak was continuing the illusion. And finally, my early D1 comment was actually going to be countered by me coming clean earlier after I reread the game, but that didn't become a thing that happened.

How about you get your head out of your a-, I mean, tunnel, and try actually scumhunting rather than, once again, playing "gotcha" games with facts you can't actually support. You've only given opinions on me. I demand you tell me who is scum outside of myself. Now.

And now I'll do that reread, though I'm already in an awful mood. It'd be one thing if the people attacking me actually did things that made sense but...uh...so far Kiro is the closest one to having anything that can remotely be considered an accurate "case" on me, and even that is based on me doing "weird" stuff.


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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #172 on: June 18, 2011, 02:23:20 PM »
OK, so, first thing that sticks out is Dormio's vote on Bard. What was your opinion of the vig shot at the time? You clearly were able to react to it. But instead of even acknowledging it, you just choo choo with some RVS reasoning. I do not like this.

Second thing is Bard pressing me on why he's scum. I'm actually not sure about the intent here. If I had given a more decisive answer to start with, his continued pressing would be bad but, as it stands, I think it's null, possibly slight scum, because I *did* explain why I "thought he was scum", and he chose to ignore it.

This is Dormio continusing to not provide much of a town/scum opinion on the dayvig. Which is actually really weird in retrospect. (Also no comment on my totes awesome "case" on Bard)

OH! Shadoweh, you're still alive. I asked about this at the time. How I was supposedly "waffly". Please answer that now that your demise isn't a thing that's going to happen.

OK, this is all kinds of weird from Bard. Dormio and PX are scummiest, but you'd lynch Dormio first and UK second. Further, my wafflyness never IS explained. Please to be doing that. Even with your ~*~derp~*~ caveat on PX, this post looks extremely awkward, particularly given the "Well should could be town because *meta*" part.

And then PX is being awful about not taking it seriously. Though I'll grant I misread that at the time as "I'm not going to take [the entire pregame phase] seriously". Suppose it had been a serious shot, PX. How would you have reacted to Bard? To people voting Bard? OH WAIT, I JUST ASKED SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE YOU WERE CHOO CHOO TUNNELING ON ME.

So, let me get this in a row here, Dormio. How does Bard's anti town dayvig make him scum? I couldn't ask well back then because of my own "stance" on the subject. But I'm serious now. Also, why would you rolefish Bard's ass for no reason?

@HW 59: Just want a clarification. Do you think Dormio attacking me but voting Bard has any relation to my alignment? This isn't very clear.

@Dormio 60: [[citation needed]]. WHY Wouldn't he be a town vig?

Dormio 66: [[citation needed]]. You continually explain how it's a "playing it safe"

Zak 69 is still hilarious, particularly given the ~*~new facts~*~.

Anyway, after all that what I'm getting by page four is that Dormio thinks I'm scum because I thought Shadoweh was town. He also uses a lot of rhetoric and vague statements to push this. I'm honestly kind of seeing where HW gets Dormio scum here.

PX 115: This is just awful but it's town awful. You think I misrepped Bard in relation to you, when it was an honest mistake. Further, I'd state that if I tried to implicate Bard because of things he said about you, I'd probably be pretty quickly caught by, yanno, people READING THE POST IN QUESTION. Your other point is a gotcha game that misreps ME. No, I just couldn't reasonably push a case on scum Bard vigging scum Shadoweh (FOR GOOD REASON IT TURNS OUT BECAUSE I TOTALLY FORGOT THE N2 RECRUIT).

Actually, I do have one issue with it. It sort of reads a bit like "Huh, I need to call someone scum. Oh, someone is voting UK. I should vote UK. This is the best motherfucking idea I ever had. Oh...but how will I make her scum? Hmm...well, if I assume she's scum, posts X, Y, and Z look scummy. AM I DOIN IT RITE?" Let me be charitable and just say no. No you are not, PX.

Hmm, I'd like Dorian to post again, more fully about the other players. More importantly who he thinks is scum. His first post is mostly a waffle and it doesn't make me happy.

LLD: Now that I've remembered that a clear would only last until D3, had the shot been real, would you still advocate Bard scum if Shadoweh scum? What if Shadoweh had flipped town? Further, do Bard and Shadoweh still need to die with the fake shot? I also want my earlier questions answered, but you'll get to those.

Shadoweh 142: I hope things make more sense NOW. Course, had you actually flipped I'd still be pissed at Bard, even if I didn't think he was scum. Hmm, did HW fail to react to the vig? I thought he DID react with his gambit comment (which wasn't the best but not the worst). I kind of feel like he's been coming from a pro town place, trying to create information on intent as much as possible.

Shadoweh 168: I think the vig would have been mostly a null tell, had it been real. I'd probably have considered it slightly scummy, but not 100% lynch Bard now scummy.

Bard 169: What has changed between LLD's initial post and now that is causing you to vote her? She hasn't posted any reaction yet.

(Also, a bonus for PX! More hinting I was reaction fishing)

tl;dr forthcoming.




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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #173 on: June 18, 2011, 02:28:35 PM »
First, EBWOP: Dormio 66 should be you constantly FAIL to explain, sorry.

##Unvote, Vote Dormio

I still have awful, awful vibes from Kiro, but as for cases I can actually support, Dormio is key. Most of his game has been spent attacking me with vague things that sound scummy on the surface but don't really have any meaning. It's just rhetoric that sounds pretty, and I've had to press him for post after post to even TRY to get him to say something substantial. So, no, sorry, we're not accepting that. The scum intent is fairly clear, in that getting someone mislynched on questionable reasons is fairly good for scum, and using awful arguments that look good on the surface makes more sense as scum than town. Further, he attacks Bard in the same way, calling his vig shot "anti town", but never actually explains why Bard is scum. Finally, his posting today has been mostly disregarding things that happened today, and clinging to his tatters of a pre game case.

Shadoweh, Bard, HW and PX are probably town. I don't want any of them lynched today. And GOD I hate to admit that last one because I don't wanna be stuck with PX all game.

I don't have a second scum yet, and I'm almost certain they're in the people not posting (assuming it's not Kiro).


UncertainJakutten

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #174 on: June 18, 2011, 02:29:13 PM »
EBWOP: Sorry for the spam but Dormio is now at L-4.


Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #175 on: June 18, 2011, 03:06:13 PM »
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Hi I'm not dead. Expect a post shortly.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #176 on: June 18, 2011, 04:20:38 PM »
Alright, woke up but now I'm still hungry. :(

I forgot to mention that I'm not gonna push what I was saying towards the end of the UK section of post 115, since I would be calling you scum for tripping over words and that would be silly.

UK: If you are reaction fishing and your 100% Bard!scum feeling is fake, then my entire case is invalidated. Which was pretty much why I didn't like it. But I'll let that go for now.... Anyways, you said you have reasons why Bard is scum that's not vig. Is that real or not? If yes, then state them.

Lady Miyo: Yeah... that's not why the UK wagon was there. That was DURRMIO'S reason why he's voting her, but nobody else was saying that. Also, that Bard vote seems really weird considering your post was condemning Shadoweh. Also, you're using scumpairs on ED1. Who is scummy individually, not as a pair?

Uh crap... got to go and I'm gonna be busy for half the day, so I'll leave with this.

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##Vote: Lady Lambdadelta

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #177 on: June 18, 2011, 04:22:50 PM »
I would like to add my opinion here but I?m unfortunately only able to say, you lost me!

My opinion about gambles: Scum can use them as provocativeness, to test out situations and to hide/deform your opinions to make an read more difficult.
Town use them to get reactions but such reactions are provoked and  read-wise at best questionable.

And about Bardiches gamble I have to say that it's so incredible ridiculous that I'm simply lacking the standards to do something with the ?reactions your gamble produced?.

##vote: Bardiche

For being the prima causa of 6 pages headache causing crap.

And now this:
Not too impressed with Kiro's "Hey I'm trollan" and calling half the game "retarded", and I'd want him removed from the game for that alone.
That's odd cause I've seen two posts that give me the "Hey I'm trollan" impression here and here, so you can make two out of it cause I call the whole game "retarded", guess who I think is responsible for it. You literally kicked me out of me train of thoughts before I even had a chance to get in.

And now to something that is hopefully 10Km away from any kind of gamble, before I lose the last bit of motivation I?ve left.
Kro could you clarify your case on UK, I have troubles to define which points you find weird and which scummy.
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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #178 on: June 18, 2011, 04:36:42 PM »
OK, this is all kinds of weird from Bard. Dormio and PX are scummiest, but you'd lynch Dormio first and UK second. Further, my wafflyness never IS explained. Please to be doing that. Even with your ~*~derp~*~ caveat on PX, this post looks extremely awkward, particularly given the "Well should could be town because *meta*" part.

I am a derp and changed my mind three quarters through that post. Your waffliness is
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Well, we'll see how she flips.
, which felt like backtracking from "you're definite scum" to "you're scum if Shadoweh flips town", and felt like a weakning of your case on me. There's no should could be town because meta, I'm permitting PX's attitude there because it was an unbelievable opener?


Dorian's just voting whoever he dislikes most on a personal level so I'm going to ignore him.


PX are you seriously just bandwagon hopping and following me. What the hell?

UncertainJakutten

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day One
« Reply #179 on: June 18, 2011, 04:38:49 PM »
...*she could be town. Referring to:

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UK is being waffly and I don't get why she'd motivate shooting Shadoweh to be a pro-scum move, but she does tend to jump to conclusions without really motivating them much.

The but I tend to jump to conclusions part.