Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7

[Barrakketh]

More interestingly, you were even closer to the inside of the bubble before I heard the death sound, which I took a shot of and put it on the left of my attachment. The one on the right is about the frame at which you got hit.

The death sound isn't necessarily played the moment you get hit, it could just be when the game "acknowledges" your death.

It almost sounds like something Baity could study with some TAS help when he is bored.  Set up a multiple scenarios where you will get hit using pixel-perfect precision to discover where the hitbox is (I imagine there's a way to automate that input), and see how many frames it takes the game to make you explode.

[LHCling]

The second MF bullet was covered by the first one which I perfectly barely dodged, but the second hidden one was a pixel off and thus I got hit.

That answers that.

Also, not seeing the other bullet behind it means exactly that; you didn't see it. Therefore, the more appropriate thing to say here is "I got ninja'd by a bullet".

It almost sounds like something Baity could study with some TAS help when he is bored.  Set up a multiple scenarios where you will get hit using pixel-perfect precision to discover where the hitbox is (I imagine there's a way to automate that input), and see how many frames it takes the game to make you explode.

...Testing. Most of the bullet data has already been covered by other people though.

EDIT: Currently, I'm only seeing a 1 frame delay between being hit and the death jingle starting. I might want to test this on the bubble bullets though.

[Ecthel]

Even after I went on a touhou hiatus, there are a lot of touhou fans in some irc channels I frequent. I distinctly remember someone always complaining about the most recent game, until the next one came out. Then they would like it, and it would be someone else's turn to complain about the next one. Coincidence?

Also, Number of UFO main game attacks with lasers*:
2 for Nazrin (Rare Metal and her midboss noncard), or 3 (Busy Rod).
None for Kogasa!
3 for Ichirin. (Noncards, scolding)
None for Murasa! (Interesting, both of the no lasers have names that end in -sa.)
5 for Shou! (Ouch.)
3 for Byakuren
(* doesn't count attacks with lasers that turn into bullets.)
So, 12/13 attacks with lasers. Assuming you're playing on normal, you can cut Nazrin and Ichirin's (except scolding because I hate it), knocking it down to 7/8.

Solution: Swallow your pride, get green ufos, and bomb the attacks. Once I did this I got my 1cc easy.

Special message to lunatic players: It's called Lunatic for a reason.

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8770

This was my best run of IN. No safespot abusing whatsoever. I clear with 4 spare lives. Then I completely fuck up Kaguya's Last Spell rush(I screwed up all the other Last Spells too) causing my score to completely suck since I ended at 4:30 instead of a much better time.

The only consolation I have is the no death Kaguya fight, though not the stage cause I got there with no bombs and Eirin's opener sucks.

[nintendonut888]

IN stage 4a (the entire stage) ND1B...FANTASY SEAAAAAAAAAL. And not even from a wall; I hit one of the big bullets that's just there to look threatening!

Magic Stones, Yuka, Gengetu, Sakuya, Remilia, Reimu, Kanako, Suwako, Satori, Orin, Utsuho, Koishi! I have beaten every one of these bosses with only one bomb or death! One mistake each! One stroke short of perfection!

* Donut Glances back, forth, forward, to the sky

I am in despair! My playing ability that is eternally one step short of perfection has left me in despair!

[チソウ タイゼン]

People getting hit by bullets when they think they didn't. It's a poor excuse for not paying attention.

That's... kinda retarded. Then again, for me, it's usually
Ending 1: You have successfully dodged this bullet, with pixels to spare. Congratulation!
Ending 2: You ran right into the center of a bullet that you seen coming from a mile away. Congratulation.

[Barrakketh]

I am in despair! My playing ability that is eternally one step short of perfection has left me in despair!

Spoiler:

I was tempted to inline the large version

[Formless God]

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Being hard doesn't make something bullshit. Play on fucking easy mode if you're gonna whine about difficulty.

Nobody is forcing you to play.

Why anybody who says UFO hard mode is too boring would actually want the first half of the game on Lunatic to be even easier is completely beyond me.

Actually, I have a hard time believing some of you guys have the audacity to complain about the hardest difficulty of a game being too hard. It can be as hard as it damn well pleases. There are plenty of people that have no problem with it. Maybe you should train harder and suck it up, instead of bitching and moaning about stuff that is apparently beyond your level? Practice and get better at it, or play a different, easier game, princess. UFO is far from bullshit. Everything is passable, consistently, provided you train enough.

That's pretty much it. Naut wins this thread.

How much practice is needed? I have put 50 damn hours into this game. About 100 Shou runs, 50 Murasa runs and 30 Byakuren runs.
There is almost no bosses i have ever fought over 100 times on one difficulty setting. I think Kanako because of VoWGs awesomeness but no one else. I don't see how a good game should take that much practice before it can get enjoyed.

33 hours, 90 S6 runs and I'm still enjoying every single fight with her.

Though something can be so hard that it is bullshit. What is Kogasa doing in Stage 2 for example? No Stage 2 boss should be so tough. She is harder than Marisa and maybe even the Prismriver sisters. Stage 4 bosses.

There isn't a rule where Stage 2 bosses need to be crapeasy. Kogasa is a hard boss, but the later bosses are still harder so there is nothing surprising or unfair about it.

[ふねん1]

I'm no expert, but that looks like a pretty big hit:


Your hitbox was entirely in the colored part.  I downloaded the video and stepped through your bubble bullet dodges, and you had one more very close call.

Reimu hitbox hax + not staying sufficiently in the white + showing off by staying close = death.

I'm pretty sure from PCB onward, the colored parts of the bubbles cannot hurt you. Judging from your and Fox Fanatic's later pictures, it looks like Enigma never touched the black center, so unless its hitbox was supposed to extend slightly into the colored portion (could someone help me confirm this?), I'd call that a programming error within the game (most likely an isolated incident; wouldn't be the first time I see PCB's engine slip up on something).

[Drake]

Using "it was a glitch" is an even worse excuse than "it was a bullshit clipdeath hurr".

You have enough lenience that if two bubbles were going straight down, the two colored parts were just touching each other and you were between them more or less exactly,  you would live. But that's it.

Either way to call any kind of crappery when he was that far into the bullet anyways is just bad. It's like yelling at a bear that might or might not be angry at you, then complaining after it mutilates you. Just don't.

[theshirn]

STOP DYING

DAMNIT

[Alice★f]

Stop raping me Yukari please

[LHCling]

Alt+QQ

...

so unless its hitbox was supposed to extend slightly into the colored portion (could someone help me confirm this?

Yes, the hitbox does indeed extend into the coloured area to a certain extent.

EDIT 2: I also had a HUEG post I was going to put up, but the forum ate it quite a few hours ago and I haven't been feeling up to writing it all out again.

[Bananamatic]

Then get hit directly by one or two:

You can clearly see the first one missing me(a bullet disappears after a hit), but the second, semi hidden one which was off by a pixel hitting me. Even after watching it several times, the bullets don't seem off by a single pixel.

If that was a direct hit, then there is nothing like clipdeath and this entire discussion is pointless :V

[Zengeku]

33 hours, 90 S6 runs and I'm still enjoying every single fight with her.
There isn't a rule where Stage 2 bosses need to be crapeasy. Kogasa is a hard boss, but the later bosses are still harder so there is nothing surprising or unfair about it.

No that is true. That will just bite you when you are going for a 1cc. More restarts = more frustration.

Still, i'd like to point out that my dislike towards the game is not because i am not good enough at it. I have the capabilities to do well at the game and i'm close to perfecting most of the bosses having already dealt with 2 of them. Close to perfecting 3 og them and sucking at Byakuren mainly due to lack of practice.

I'm just not interested in the game. Its not really fun for me and any mistakes i make playing it feels more frustrating. To be fair i'll admit the game isn't bad. Its just me and select few others that doesn't like it. Let's just leave it at that and get back to enjoy our games.

Magic Stones, Yuka, Gengetu, Sakuya, Remilia, Reimu, Kanako, Suwako, Satori, Orin, Utsuho, Koishi! I have beaten every one of these bosses with only one bomb or death! One mistake each! One stroke short of perfection!
I am in despair! My playing ability that is eternally one step short of perfection has left me in despair!

I am similar. In my case the bosses are called Murasa, Shou, Kanako, Satori and Mokou. I also think i did Sakuya like that once but then Killing Doll and put an end to that.

[Bananamatic]

perfection is pointless tbh, most people here can perfect all the extras but it's way too tedious.

[チソウ タイゼン]

Which is jarringly true, in UFO's case. I've captured, like, 10 cards.
Mountain of Faith EX is too damn hard, as is PCB.
I get to 'horrible green river' or some crap like that and in PCB I can't beat Chen, for crying out loud.

[LHCling]

I forgot what to do here durr hurr hurr.

[Zengeku]

perfection is pointless tbh, most people here can perfect all the extras but it's way too tedious.

I enjoy perfecting things like lunatic boss fights. Extra mode boss fights are often twice as long as a stage 6 boss though so they become quite tedious.

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8772

Derped almost everything. Cleared 1/2. Didn't derp the Last Spell rush as badly this time, but still screwed up pretty bad. I still somehow get my best score.

I wonder what I would be scoring if I wasn't derping way too much. I cleared with 4 lives once, not sure how many extra points that could have given me, plus I know I can do better than 3:30 after the Last Spells.

[Rook]

I had always been under the impression that a "clipdeath" was just a death you did not even subconsciously expect (so I guess every Koishi death is a clipdeath :V), not literally a death caused by hitting the edge of a bullet's hitbox.  I guess that's just because that's how it's used, all the time.

[Zengeku]

I have been trying a little at making a perfect pacifist of Yuugi and her 2nd and 3rd non-spell are really tricky! I have succesfully timed out her 2nd non-spell but i haven't managed her 3rd yet. It might even be easier to pacify Ichirin.

Not really a rage. There is just not a thread for "i tried this a couple of times and haven't pulled it off so its not an accomplishment nor is it embarassing or frustrating... yet" so i figured here would be best.

I had always been under the impression that a "clipdeath" was just a death you did not even subconsciously expect (so I guess every Koishi death is a clipdeath :V), not literally a death caused by hitting the edge of a bullet's hitbox.  I guess that's just because that's how it's used, all the time.

I think the best way to describe a clipdeath is a death to a bullet that you were sure you were clear of but wasn't by a few pixels. Like getting hit by a bubble or knife in EoSD. Its especially normal with bullets that doesn't really make it obvious where their hitboxes are.

[ふねん1]

Using "it was a glitch" is an even worse excuse than "it was a bullshit clipdeath hurr".

You have enough lenience that if two bubbles were going straight down, the two colored parts were just touching each other and you were between them more or less exactly,  you would live. But that's it.

Either way to call any kind of crappery when he was that far into the bullet anyways is just bad. It's like yelling at a bear that might or might not be angry at you, then complaining after it mutilates you. Just don't.

Dude, moumantai. All I'm doing is examining all possibilities - that mindset comes with being a scientist. You'll note that I did indeed bring up the idea beforehand that the hitboxes could be larger than just the black center (which Baity properly confirmed). Also, I'll have you know that I try to limit considering the chance of a glitch as a last resort - in Enigma's case, the only other question standing in its way was examining what the hitbox size really was.

[Drake]

Okay.
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explainmyselfproperlyonlyaftersomeonemakesasnideremarkeventhough
thetitleimflauntingwouldexpectmetoexplainmyselfmorethoroughlythanihadanywaysand
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[Sen]

Murasa is fair except for Sinkable Vortex

Murasa is fair except for Sinkable Vortex

Murasa is fair except for Sinkable Vortex

wat

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

Press bomb button before getting hit at least 5 times in a run and died all 5 times.

Isn't random clipshit bad enough in UFO, I don't need this garbage happening too.

[Ecthel]

But SV is her easiest card!

At least, it is on normal.

[Zengeku]

But SV is her easiest card!

At least, it is on normal.

Alright. For the first card you need to dodge the anchor. Once you've gotten that down, it will be easier than Sinkable Vortex.

[LHCling]

Isn't random clipshit bad enough in UFO, I don't need this garbage happening too.

Uh, just to make things clear;

The hitbox is something like the above. Keep in mind bullet velocity when looking at the images; the faster the bullet the more inaccurate the observation. The "rear" observations are easier to calculate from because I can pick the slower bullets to chase.

EDIT: Oh, here's something.

The bullet below the hitbox is the killer bullet.

[Bananamatic]

bullet

So how is it even possible to die :V