Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

Just had an IN No Death Extra ruined by Hourai Doll. This was after 2 failed tries at Possessed by Phoenix second phase, 2 failed tries on Rings of death, and a failed try on Fujiyama Volcano. The worst part was that if Mokou didn't bump into me on Fujiyama Volcano, I still would have had bombs in stock for the screwup on Hourai Doll.

[Heartbeam]

I'll have a whole collage of this by the time the no-miss / no-bomb run comes around.  Then it'll have to move up to capturing all 28 spells.



Border break on Hell God Sword.  Nothing else could have been done for stage six (other than activating through shooting).  It was all planned, one more cherry item, just careless.

[Reddyne]

Played EoSD through about a dozen times with the 1cc run being destroyed around level 5-6 each time. Played PCB once and 1cc'ed it with 2 lives to spare on my first attempt with one life being lost at the end in a failed attempt to capture Yuyuko's time-out spellcard.

Goddamnit.

[Zengeku]

Peerless Cheap God ruined yet another perfect Aya run. I could build a museum out of those together with all my 1DNB Shou runs.

I don't really have too much trouble with the rest of Aya's stuff though so i might get that perfect one of these days. At least she is much more fun than Shou is... and doesn't use f*cking lasers.

Fixed.

IN is one of the best. It appears that UFO corrupts your soul.  :3

Different =/= flawed. Since when do people complain instead of actually trying to get better ? It's pathetic. I got a near consistent rate on DR and that's all thanks to practice practice practice and taking it easy

You want me to practice? I don't like the damn game. All has ever given me is frustration, anger and a loss of faith in ZUN's designing capabilities. As well as a few moments of entertainment but it pales compared to the frustration.

Why would i even give that game a second thought? Simple. Because you guys at this forum keeps defending it and talking about how great it is and how you need to practice to get good. Well... it doesn't work. Sure i'm getting better at it and i might even be able to get myself a 1cc but its still not fun.

I'll complain about whatever frustrates me. Its completely illogical to keep playing it just to "get better".

Murasa and Shou are the best UFO has to offer. Doesn't say much though.
UFO ain't fun enough to be worth devotion for a 1cc. Would you clear a game on its highest difficulty if all the game brought you was frustration and hate?

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

Nazrin and Nue are the only fair fights in UFO. And then Nazrin ruins it by coming back in Stage 5 with Greatest Treasure.

Kogasa has some BS cards, Ichirin is BS, Murasa is fair except for Sinkable Vortex and the survival, Shou is BS, Byakuren is also clipping BS.

You know the game is screwed up when the only thing that's fun is Extra. Oh wait, Kogasa's there too with her BS second card.

[Bananamatic]

You know the game is screwed up when the only thing that's fun is Extra. Oh wait, Kogasa's there too with her BS second card.

Fast dodging. But the game itself is clipshit all over.

[Zengeku]

Nazrin and Nue are the only fair fights in UFO. And then Nazrin ruins it by coming back in Stage 5 with Greatest Treasure.

Kogasa has some BS cards, Ichirin is BS, Murasa is fair except for Sinkable Vortex and the survival, Shou is BS, Byakuren is also clipping BS.

You know the game is screwed up when the only thing that's fun is Extra. Oh wait, Kogasa's there too with her BS second card.

I don't think Sinkable Vortex/Kogasa's 2nd card in Extra is that bad but i still agree wholeheartedly with you. Practice might get you past all these things but why practice if you are not having fun in the first place?

[Arcengal]

UFO hard run with Sanae B, the only character I haven't 1cc'd with.

Perfect stage 1.
Almost perfect 2.

THREE deaths on Ichirin, with FIVE BOMBS IN STOCK EACH TIME. Kraken Strike (which was unlucky), 2nd card (which a derp moment) 3rd *non-spell* (which was a death after the spellcard was declared but before the bullets fully disappeared).

After screaming and throwing the joypad about, I threw myself back in, determined to beat it regardless. After all, stage 4 vomits extra lives, right?

4/2 going into stage 5.
2/2 by the time I reach Shou (Greatest Treasure and the last barrage before Shou).
Die twice on RTG.
Die on second non-spell.

Clearly, this game doesn't want me to beat it with Sanae B.

[Serela]

Due to the massive amount of bombs you get in UFO (keep in mind each life is two more bombs if you actually USE THEM), just bombing everything you can't consistently do is actually good strategy that will get you MUCH, MUCH farther then normal. Keep in mind three characters have bombs that are p.much spellcard skips, and two others aren't far off.

MarisaB doesn't count :derp:

[Jaimers]

Practice might get you past all these things but why practice if you are not having fun in the first place?

The fun will start overflowing after you understand the game a bit better through practice.
I didn't like UFO either in the beginning but now it's super awesome.
As for me, I just 1cc'd Phantasm Romance on Another Mode with Extra 3 and finished 5/0.
Why is it here? Because it would have been max lives if I hadn't died like 4 times with full bombs in stock on Shinki.
WHY AM I NOT BOMBING FFS  >:[

[Naut]

bullshit

Being hard doesn't make something bullshit. Play on fucking easy mode if you're gonna whine about difficulty.

Practice might get you past all these things but why practice if you are not having fun in the first place?

Nobody is forcing you to play.

clip

>: |

[Bananamatic]

Nobody is forcing you to play.

That's how I play UFO.

[Zengeku]

The fun will start overflowing after you understand the game a bit better through practice.
I didn't like UFO either in the beginning but now it's super awesome.

How much practice is needed? I have put 50 damn hours into this game. About 100 Shou runs, 50 Murasa runs and 30 Byakuren runs.
There is almost no bosses i have ever fought over 100 times on one difficulty setting. I think Kanako because of VoWGs awesomeness but no one else. I don't see how a good game should take that much practice before it can get enjoyed.

I'd like to make an example that's not shmup related. Mega Man X2 for example. I wasn't very pleased with it at first but it only took 1-2 hours to understand what needed to be understood about that game before enjoying it. Most modern games released barely take understanding but can be entertaining nevertheless. As for shmups - i have really not needed anywhere near the same amount of practice to have fun with any other Touhou game. SA and EoSD are the hardest of the non-UFO ones and they were fun pretty much immediately.

That's how I play UFO.

I think i should adopt that.

Nobody is forcing you to play.

No thank goodness for that. Anything beyond 30 minutes of this game is too much.

Being hard doesn't make something bullshit. Play on fucking easy mode if you're gonna whine about difficulty.

UFO Hard mode is boring so playing easy mode is not gonna help. Instead of whining i would suggest playing a better game instead.

Though something can be so hard that it is bullshit. What is Kogasa doing in Stage 2 for example? No Stage 2 boss should be so tough. She is harder than Marisa and maybe even the Prismriver sisters. Stage 4 bosses.

[Naut]

Though something can be so hard that it is bullshit. What is Kogasa doing in Stage 2 for example? No Stage 2 boss should be so tough. She is harder than Marisa and maybe even the Prismriver sisters. Stage 4 bosses.

Great, isn't it? I'm actually not falling asleep for the first half of the game anymore. I don't even play the other games because I don't feel like boring myself to death with the piss easy first 4 stages. I view the abnormally hard stage 2 boss of UFO as a welcomed change, imbalanced or not. It's a great warm up. Why anybody who says UFO hard mode is too boring would actually want the first half of the game on Lunatic to be even easier is completely beyond me.

Actually, I have a hard time believing some of you guys have the audacity to complain about the hardest difficulty of a game being too hard. It can be as hard as it damn well pleases. There are plenty of people that have no problem with it. Maybe you should train harder and suck it up, instead of bitching and moaning about stuff that is apparently beyond your level? Practice and get better at it, or play a different, easier game, princess. UFO is far from bullshit. Everything is passable, consistently, provided you train enough.

[チソウ タイゼン]

I'm gonna feel dumb asking this, but what's 'clipping' and 'clipdeaths?'

[Naut]

I'm gonna feel dumb asking this, but what's 'clipping' and 'clipdeaths?'

People getting hit by bullets when they think they didn't. It's a poor excuse for not paying attention.

[Barrakketh]

Personally, I'm interested in seeing some replays of these runs where there are clip-deaths galore, along with where in the stages/battles they believe they were clipped.

I wonder how many of those deaths were by really being clipped by a bullet versus getting directly hit by one, and its being called a clip-death because nobody studied the replays.

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

I think This qualifies as a legitimate clipdeath.

[Naut]

Looks like you got hit by a big assed bullet to me. We don't even start on the Reimu hitbox

Spoiler:

ab

use, either.

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

I don't see how I got hit as in PCB and later you can touch any part of a bubble that isn't the center.

[theshirn]

I think we can define clipdeath as only being hit by the edge of a bullet or pattern.

[Bananamatic]

The point is, UFO is difficult for the wrong reasons.

Personally, I'm interested in seeing some replays of these runs where there are clip-deaths galore, along with where in the stages/battles they believe they were clipped.

I wonder how many of those deaths were by really being clipped by a bullet versus getting directly hit by one, and its being called a clip-death because nobody studied the replays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMvbveX344c

It still hurts watching that replay.

The second MF bullet was covered by the first one which I perfectly dodged, but the second hidden one was a pixel off.
I dunno, but scratching bullet by a pixel isn't something I'd call a direct hit.

[The Greatest Dog]

I dunno, but scratching bullet by a pixel isn't something I'd call a direct hit.

I thought it was pretty much confirmed that EoSD has shitty medium orb hitboxes.

And it looks like Enigma... was caught in the center. Even if by two pixels...

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

That would imply PCB has the same bubble hitboxes as EoSD though, cause I thought it was the very center. I know you can touch the colored part in later games, though I thought that started in PCB.

[The Greatest Dog]

That would imply PCB has the same bubble hitboxes as EoSD though, cause I thought it was the very center. I know you can touch the colored part in later games, though I thought that started in PCB.

I wouldn't know, since I don't play EoSD much. I can't play your replay back frame by frame either to get an idea of when exactly you got hit, so...
Anyways, I need to go try this on PCB now.

[Bananamatic]

Glowing bullets are also pretty damn clippy. Especially Byakuren's.

[Chaotic Phoenixma]

Just uploaded the replay.

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8765

[Barrakketh]

I believe I requested entire replays (as in the kind uploaded here) where some of you are proclaiming failures of epic proportions by clipdeath, not cherry picking failures.  WIth that out of the way:

I think This qualifies as a legitimate clipdeath.

I'm no expert, but that looks like a pretty big hit:


Your hitbox was entirely in the colored part.  I downloaded the video and stepped through your bubble bullet dodges, and you had one more very close call.

Reimu hitbox hax + not staying sufficiently in the white + showing off by staying close = death.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMvbveX344c

It still hurts watching that replay.

Clip?  What?  It looks like you first ram a bullet:



Next frame is the explosion.

Then get hit directly by one or two:





I'll admit I'm not some hitbox guru, but I think someone unfamiliar with them were to look at what I saw I'd say that those were outright fuckups.

[Arcengal]

That would imply PCB has the same bubble hitboxes as EoSD though, cause I thought it was the very center. I know you can touch the colored part in later games, though I thought that started in PCB.

It *did* start on PCB. If it didn't, every game of it I've ever played would have ended at Ghost Knives.

[The Greatest Dog]

Alright. I used Vsync and played the replay back at 1FPS (ya really). Unfortunately, pressing the home key to take snapshots has quite a laggy input at that frame rate, so I was maybe ~1 frame off from when you died.
More interestingly, you were even closer to the inside of the bubble before I heard the death sound, which I took a shot of and put it on the left of my attachment. The one on the right is about the frame at which you got hit.