Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 15F (Read 473403 times)

Serela · « **Reply #450 on:** January 29, 2016, 02:46:18 PM »

Is it really necessary to quote the whole list multiple times >.> It's kind of big

Anyway, it's hard to say how inflated those achievements are without knowing what kind of EXP the expansion gives out and such. It does add like, 20 new floors, which is the size of the current game... so for all we know, getting near the end of the content at all naturally gets you to a lot of those things. The endless corridor for all we know is literally a straight line corridor and might not be very long, so it's hard to tell how long it'll take to clear each floor.

HOWEVER, based on thlaby1 content, it -is- possible the top/bottom floors or endless corridor can be like your grinder's endless postgame fantasy where you raise numbers for 30 hours and all the biggest achievements are like, well, that.

Spiffspoo · « **Reply #451 on:** January 30, 2016, 03:51:05 AM »

Quote from: RegalStar on January 29, 2016, 01:18:25 PM

Achievement requirements.

Spoiler:
Endless Corridor 512F completed

Please tell me the endless floors are randomly generated.

Validon98 · « **Reply #452 on:** January 30, 2016, 03:57:11 AM »

Quote from: Spiffspoo on January 30, 2016, 03:51:05 AM

Please tell me the endless floors are randomly generated.

The Endless Corridor has been implied to be randomly generated many times by now. It was one of the first new features announced for the plus disk way back before the trial was even released. :V

Serela · « **Reply #453 on:** January 30, 2016, 04:43:14 PM »

Conclusion of second playthrough; the Formidable Shadows of the mirror and magatama are utterly stupid fights regardless of your party. :I I still can't see how the magatama is even beatable at challenge level without cheesing it via removing party members to lower your Party Average Level. The Plus Trial will make it easier with Flan's Starbow Break ignoring some defense, making her far and away the best damage dealer, but still... what are you going to do, frontline Parsee Yukari Flan Satori once you get it to two-thirds HP to try to speedkill it? (Satori would use Spiriting Away after the last go once Yukari casts it, and then someone would swap for SPD-Aya. And you'd pray the Magatama didn't target Flan before it died. Flan would need an overly large ATK investment at the library.)

The plus trial neutralizes Gambler anyway so you'll lose a lot of the burst damage from Kaguya/Shikieiki. Because it's defenses are stupidly high for a boss that has heavy regen so you need them. Even Nitori can hit for 0 with high buffs up and it's def debuffed if they aren't maintained at maximum, and people with piercing attacks in offense builds can too.

Thata no Guykoro · « **Reply #454 on:** January 30, 2016, 05:48:36 PM »

the way I beat the Magatama was to put the Genji Glove and tons of magic skill points on Rumia, and then spam Dark Side of the Moon over and over. It worked but took me a bunch of tries :V

Now, the mirror on the other hand...

Serela · « **Reply #455 on:** January 30, 2016, 06:29:45 PM »

It might not help that my plan was to beat them all before exploring the extra areas :V Rumia would be pretty nice for that fight since she hits the weakness along with ignoring DEF, and... actually having a cheap and spammable attack unlike Kaguya and Shiki who need to get switched. (also because Kaguya's ability to DIE and rarely having mp; granted she's a gambler so that was soooorta my fault)

Validon98 · « **Reply #456 on:** January 30, 2016, 07:07:22 PM »

For a second I thought Formidable Shadows were new versions of the bosses in the Plus Disk, not the Version 2's (doesn't help that the last time I did postgame was my Team 9 run on the old English patch, something I'm redoing because I totally feel like Team 9 can take on the Plus Disk, totally, I just have to redo it due to losing save files. :V).

I do remember those two bosses being insanely difficult to beat, granted with Team 9 I had Rumia so I could just blast them apart with Dark Side of the Moon but even that doesn't account for how annoying tough it is to deal damage to either of those bosses. Hell, having just gotten to 14F meaning I had to fight their original versions, I still find it incredibly silly that all three versions of those bosses practically demand defense-piercing attacks (AKA bring out the Monks), else you're screwed.

Serela · « **Reply #457 on:** January 30, 2016, 07:16:16 PM »

Eh, the first two versions are fine so long as you have debuffs. (Hi Hina <3) Although the 12F Magatama is still a really hard fight. But the enhanced ones, yeah, even with 50% ignore attacks you'll be hitting zeroes disturbingly easily. The heavy regen on the magatama seals it as utterly ridiculous; but as if that wasn't enough, it's speeding up with each turn, so if you can't nuke it down very quickly it'll regenerate too fast to outdamage.

Monothemeerp · « **Reply #458 on:** January 30, 2016, 10:00:22 PM »

The Magatama and Mirror Shadows were absolutely horrifying as Calamity Four and I had absolutely no way of beating either without severe overlevelling.

Shadowlupus · « **Reply #459 on:** January 31, 2016, 03:23:41 AM »

I think the developers try to add an "innovative/outside-of-the-box challenge" by giving you "fight the bosses with less than 12 party members or you won't get any extra gem/manual."

That's why they raise the Shadow's bosses' stats to an absolutely-nuts level. They force you to do all of these chores; grind at 20F until you reach Level 200, increase your Voile Level to 200 (which means more grinding for money), find stronger items at the extra areas THEN kick your party members out until you reach the challenge level before fighting the bosses.

Yeah, those are the only reasonable things I can think of why they make the Shadow bosses insanely difficult.

EDIT: Yeah, they also expect us to not only overlevel but also use defensive-ignoring characters or Flandre/Hina. For instance, Reisen and Iku make the Magamata's Shadow an absolute cakewalk. Reisen with People of the Moon skill + Discarder debuff/damage the Magatama while also strengthening Iku's normal attack + double-debuff skill. With maxed buffs and debuffs, they can deal 150k each. (Both are at Level 200.)

Lollipop · « **Reply #460 on:** January 31, 2016, 04:12:43 AM »

i downloaded the english patch, and for some reason the text will cut off on the right side of the screen.

(this has probably been answered before, but I can't find it.)

ArtistofLegacy · « **Reply #461 on:** January 31, 2016, 05:06:31 AM »

Quote from: Lollipop on January 31, 2016, 04:12:43 AM

i downloaded the english patch, and for some reason the text will cut off on the right side of the screen. (this has probably been answered before, but I can't find it.)

I'm not entirely sure, but you might have to use Japanese locale or something like Applocale for the font to display properly.
Or maybe it's a thing with later Windows versions. I'm only just now experiencing this myself.

Validon98 · « **Reply #462 on:** January 31, 2016, 05:24:26 AM »

Quote from: Lollipop on January 31, 2016, 04:12:43 AM

i downloaded the english patch, and for some reason the text will cut off on the right side of the screen. (this has probably been answered before, but I can't find it.)

99% sure this is due to not being on Japanese locale. The patch was made taking Japanese locale fonts (Meiryo) into account, not the font used in its place when not in Japanese locale, so there ends up being a lot of cutoff text.

Lollipop · « **Reply #463 on:** January 31, 2016, 05:31:55 AM »

Quote from: Validon98 on January 31, 2016, 05:24:26 AM

99% sure this is due to not being on Japanese locale. The patch was made taking Japanese locale fonts (Meiryo) into account, not the font used in its place when not in Japanese locale, so there ends up being a lot of cutoff text.

but is there a way to fix it?

Validon98 · « **Reply #464 on:** January 31, 2016, 05:55:04 AM »

Quote from: Lollipop on January 31, 2016, 05:31:55 AM

but is there a way to fix it?

Set your computer to Japanese locale.

Serela · « **Reply #465 on:** January 31, 2016, 01:05:43 PM »

Quote from: Kageshirou on January 31, 2016, 03:23:41 AM

I think the developers try to add an "innovative/outside-of-the-box challenge" by giving you "fight the bosses with less than 12 party members or you won't get any extra gem/manual."
That's why they raise the Shadow's bosses' stats to an absolutely-nuts level. They force you to do all of these chores; grind at 20F until you reach Level 200, increase your Voile Level to 200 (which means more grinding for money)
With maxed buffs and debuffs, they can deal 150k each. (Both are at Level 200.)

Well, this is a little over-the-top XD The mirror and the magatama are the only really problematically difficult Shadow bosses with a good party; the golden orbs took me a few tries since you have a balance your damage or they one-shot your party or revive at full hp, but the others I beat with a full party at challenge level first try. (My first playthrough, my party didn't have Hina or as good of an attacker selection for postgame, so I struggled a lot. Second play I was prepared >.>) Past that, saying they "make the boss a cakewalk" when you're literally at a higher level than necessary for the final boss v2 and everyone was probably taking 0s a long time ago is a little silly... a lot of characters can do it at that point. And the mirror is a trivial fight if you dump a couple characters to have a level 150~160 party, since it'll do no damage and doesn't regen and doesn't have as scary defenses or wear it's debuffs off as fast as the magatama.

The magatama is pretty dumb though. You do sort of -have- to have certain offense characters out if you don't want to massively overlevel; Rumia, and Kaguya/Shiki probably in gambler builds, Meiling can sorta get through and Nitori does a lot if the buffs/debuffs are high, Iku probably is a nice idea... and since it regens so much you really do have to have -all- of them.

Spiffspoo · « **Reply #466 on:** January 31, 2016, 06:27:42 PM »

Quote from: Validon98 on January 31, 2016, 05:55:04 AM

Set your computer to Japanese locale.

I have tried this and it didn't work, but it isn't that big of a problem.

RegalStar · « **Reply #467 on:** January 31, 2016, 07:27:07 PM »

Currently working on subequips. Obviously it's going to take a while looking up 120 sets of references, so I'm going to write some highlights of their stats first:
-A set of single-stat items that have a bonus of 160%/240%/320%/400%
-A set of items that raise one stat by 100% and two status resistances by 50.
-A set of items that raise one stat by 144% and four status resistances by 50.
-A single item (Earth Armor) that raises DEF by 172% and all status resistances by 50.
-A set of items that raise one stat by 100% and two elemental affinities by 172.
-A set of items that raise one stat by 128% and three elemental affinities by 144.
-A pair of items that raise one stat by 144% and four elemental affinities by 128.

There are no more patterns after these; bonuses are pretty much arbitrary. I'll write some highlights though:
-Magic Sword "Chaos" gives ATK+1680% (but only evade+32 besides that)
-Machine God Lucifer has All stats+666%. It also has MYS SPI DRK PHY+66.
-There's an item description that has the phrase "Big Fucking Gun" in it in English.
-The last two items give All stats+999% and All Stats+500%, All elements+100 and All stats+50 respectively, and are named True Ame-no-Murakumo and Source of Dragon God's Power, implying that they're dropped by the two endgame bosses. The latter's boost to stats actually seem rather mediocre compared to all the 800-1000+% numbers I had seen above.

qazmlpok · « **Reply #468 on:** January 31, 2016, 07:50:29 PM »

Quote from: RegalStar on January 31, 2016, 07:27:07 PM

-Magic Sword "Chaos" gives ATK+1680% (but only evade+32 besides that)

Demonic Sword Chaos. It's Rance's weapon.

Is the Big Fucking Gun the BFG9000 from Doom?

RegalStar · « **Reply #469 on:** January 31, 2016, 08:18:14 PM »

I know that it's Rance's sword, but labyrinth 1 had it as "Magic Sword". Once the translation officially starts we can debate about whether to keep it as Magic Sword for continuity or Demonic Sword for correctness.

And yes, it does look like it's the BFG9000 from Doom.

RegalStar · « **Reply #470 on:** January 31, 2016, 09:54:05 PM »

OK I'm done

Spoiler:

Validon98 · « **Reply #471 on:** January 31, 2016, 10:35:19 PM »

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Spoiler:
Allagan Battleaxe
HP+640% ATK+480% DEF+880% MND+400% ACC+39 SHK DTH TRR+80

I see that FFXIV reference, I figured there would be at least one. :V

Serela · « **Reply #472 on:** January 31, 2016, 10:51:44 PM »

I swear if they don't nerf maintenance :V

qazmlpok · « **Reply #473 on:** January 31, 2016, 11:22:02 PM »

Quote from: RegalStar on January 31, 2016, 08:18:14 PM

I know that it's Rance's sword, but labyrinth 1 had it as "Magic Sword". Once the translation officially starts we can debate about whether to keep it as Magic Sword for continuity or Demonic Sword for correctness.

And yes, it does look like it's the BFG9000 from Doom.

I posted an updated patch that fixed the name a while back. There's no reason to keep the incorrect name.

RegalStar · « **Reply #474 on:** January 31, 2016, 11:31:54 PM »

Quote from: qazmlpok on January 31, 2016, 11:22:02 PM

I posted an updated patch that fixed the name a while back. There's no reason to keep the incorrect name.

Since you're still here let me confirm one more thing as well. Alicesoft Wiki lists Range Quest's ウルンセルの刃 as Urunseru Blade, but is that the name in the translated game (if one exists)?

Serela · « **Reply #475 on:** January 31, 2016, 11:34:16 PM »

I'm already theorycrafting with the new character stuff >.> For example,

Spoiler:

Axel Ryman · « **Reply #476 on:** February 01, 2016, 12:11:01 AM »

Quote from: RegalStar on January 31, 2016, 09:54:05 PM

Spoiler:
[コンゴウラカン - it's an item from Tales of Destiny 2 (the one on PS2, not Eternia); a Harold-specific handgear that's dropped by something called Cheap Trick at a low rate. I don't know the English translated name of it though]
DEF+240%

Did some searching for that one.

Spoiler:

RegalStar · « **Reply #477 on:** February 01, 2016, 12:33:17 AM »

Quote from: Axel Ryman on February 01, 2016, 12:11:01 AM

Did some searching for that one.

Spoiler:
Kongourakan, which is a Dagger in Tales of Destiny. Considering the Defensive properties of the item, it might be from Seiken Densetsu 3, where the translated name is Adamantine Arhat, or as the fan translation uses it, Kongo Rakan.

http://kumiho.aerdan.org/translations/sd3.html Link I found it at.

It's definitely from Tales of Destiny 2 though, since it mentions Harold and there isn't a Harold in Seiken Densetsu 3.

jaxter0987 · « **Reply #478 on:** February 01, 2016, 12:36:43 AM »

Quote from: Serela on January 31, 2016, 11:34:16 PM

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Or, you could use Satori's "deal half your current HP as damage to all enemies with each turn" with Reisen's Grand Patriot Elixir for it's 98% delay, in a max HP build. You'd blow through mp like no tomorrow, but she regains 25% when switched out, which is a pretty dang large amount in postgame, esp. with stuff like MP gems. Having Reisen in isn't a huge deal when the delay is so low and Satori having a million HP to take a hit with.

Spoiler:

Maintenance needs a nerf and badly so especially with these new equips.

Spoiler:

Axel Ryman · « **Reply #479 on:** February 01, 2016, 12:46:25 AM »

Quote from: RegalStar on February 01, 2016, 12:33:17 AM

It's definitely from Tales of Destiny 2 though, since it mentions Harold and there isn't a Harold in Seiken Densetsu 3.

Guess it's a dagger then.