Author Topic: NoTV 2 Mafia (Game Over, Scum and 3rd Party Win) (Read 98161 times)

CF7 · « **Reply #660 on:** October 12, 2014, 06:26:37 AM »

Ugh. I don't have time for this. I was invited to a birthday and i am leaving my houwe in half an hour or so. I'll post, when i get back i guess.

Raikaria · « **Reply #661 on:** October 12, 2014, 08:35:57 AM »

Quote from: Conqueror on October 11, 2014, 08:41:48 PM

Shadoweh hasn't shown interest in your lynch before today and even then it's just poking at why your roleclaim probably isn't legit. It's more your hard defense on D1, followed by repeated categorizing of Shadoweh under lurker category but always pursuing other lurkers over her.

I thought she pushed me before I claimed. I recall her stating a dislike before than for sure.

And I only perused one person for actually lurking; and that was ActionDan. And his lurking was worse than Shadoweh's IMO. My NNR vote was simply Not Me Over Me. Had Shadoweh and NNR had equal votes I would have gone with Shadoweh.

But actions speak louder than words, and I am giving up hope of a PX counter-wagon to save this game anyway. So let's save the game on my 80% confidence throw rather than my 90% confidence throw.

#Unvote
#Vote: Shadoweh

Raikaria · « **Reply #662 on:** October 12, 2014, 08:37:50 AM »

To note; I was calling out Dan for lurking since Day 1. Day 2 was when I said Shadoweh; and several other players, were 'almost at the point where I would vote them for lurkscum'.

So it logically follows that I would vote Dan for lurking over Shadoweh; and that is why I thought Dan was a 'worse' lurker. Dan had little to no content at all. Shadoweh had little content D1 but it had a hell of a lot more effort than Dan's D1.

PX · « **Reply #663 on:** October 12, 2014, 08:48:27 AM »

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To note; I was calling out Dan for lurking since Day 1.

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PX · « **Reply #664 on:** October 12, 2014, 09:03:14 AM »

Oh, and for more fun, here's your day 2 on Dan/Shadoweh

First post of D2

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Other people I dislike include ActionDan [Content]

After not mentioning Dan once all of D1

Saying you don't like cases on Shadoweh. Again.

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Also I think it's worth pointing out that while the vibes are not quite as bad, Shadoweh is seeming a noticeably less present. That said, maybe that's a towntell from her, since if I recall her most active games are scum @_@

Shadoweh is lurking but that just makes her town.

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And no Dormio; I'm not chainsaw defending Shadoweh. I'm attacking weak cases.

I'm not defending her, but attacking cases on her.

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Honestly I wouldn't mind seeing Actiondan on the chopping block too. His entire game has been rather... bad.

Screw it; I'll do this just to see what the reaction to it is and if there's support.

Mentioning Dan for the second time all game towards the end of D2

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I'm guessing from the lack of discussion about Actiondan that people don't want to lynch him.

Then giving up an hour later.

So yeah, that's your entire D2 on them. Not buying whatever you're saying.

PX · « **Reply #665 on:** October 12, 2014, 09:04:17 AM »

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and several other players, were 'almost at the point where I would vote them for lurkscum'.

I think everybody is scum! See, I mentioned them in this very vague wording that pretty much includes whoever I want!

Mitsuki · « **Reply #666 on:** October 12, 2014, 09:05:21 AM »

I'm quite late for this, but I'm ok with a Shadoweh lynch (not today, of course). The post where she claims that all my suspicions are based on her being scum is super self conscious, and while I don't think that self-consciousness can be applied as a scumtell for everyone, I think it's very telling for her. I don't think Shadoweh would be paranoid enough to have that train of thought if she were town.

Out of SB, Rawr/NNR and Paladin, I think the one with the most chances to turn scum is NNRawr. I'm finding SB and Paladin slightly townie on gut, and NNR was scummy for the reasons I already stated. I definitely need to think more about this, though.

BT · « **Reply #667 on:** October 12, 2014, 11:30:20 AM »

Checking in. Bleh, I'm busy today but I'll be around to contribute a vote at the very least.

Raikaria · « **Reply #668 on:** October 12, 2014, 02:08:42 PM »

I'm sure I made some jabs along the lines of [In]ActionDan during Day 1. Whatever. I defended Shadoweh D1 because I thought that the cases on her at that point were very, very weak to the degree of some of them being non-existent. I guess I wasn't so much defending Shadoweh as attacking poor cases which happened to be on her.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #669 on:** October 12, 2014, 03:48:17 PM »

Just a reminder to you communist freedom hating hippies, the phase ends with a majority, if there's no hammer. If we don't get enough votes on Raikaria, scums can pile on to whomever they damn please at phase end.

Raikaria · « **Reply #670 on:** October 12, 2014, 05:13:10 PM »

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on October 12, 2014, 03:48:17 PM

Just a reminder to you communist freedom hating hippies, the phase ends with a majority, if there's no hammer. If we don't get enough votes on ~~Raikaria~~ Shadoweh, scums can pile on to whomever they damn please at phase end.

Fixed it.

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #671 on:** October 12, 2014, 06:53:38 PM »

##Vote: Raiakria
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CF7 · « **Reply #672 on:** October 12, 2014, 07:04:33 PM »

I am semi-sober and at the same time semi-drunk.
@SB.
First re:Shadoweh and you. I missed bit about you mentioning her. Oops.
Not about super cool stuff.

Quote from: SB on October 11, 2014, 10:32:29 PM

-He used the "I wanted to get reactions and move on RVS" as an excuse for not having strong opinions in PAD, whereas his ED1 play in Tic Tac Toe was a lot more decisive than what he put out here, where it didn't feel like he was strongly invested in his scumreads. His play here leans more towards the former imo.
-This post implies he has setup info kind of, then he claims VT?
-He sat on the sidelines when the D1 lynch happened and said "meh I don't like these" but didn't try and press anyone else.
-He jumped from disliking Shadoweh to she's likely town with no explanation after she posted uh, maybe once?
-He basically parks his suspicion on Mitsuki D2 without actually doing anything which is super easy considering that she didn't post.
-He only really posts opinions when it gets fairly close to the deadline D2.
-He says that he'll drop Mitsuki because it's not productive and then never forms a stance on anyone else which is even worse.
-He has suspicions of PX and NNR over the course of the game (PX first I think) but then drops them completely unless people ask him what he thinks of them.

- I am super-chaotic in my meta and it's not really indicative tbh.
- Please, tell me where it implies that i have setup info?
- Not motivated to say anything if i can't do anything because could not be around deadline, therefore can't really impact decision anyway.
- Almost 24 hours passed between those posts. Also reread happened.
- Considering how D1 ended, lack of the NK and how the game works it was kind of natural to further your D1 reads.
- Mostly no-one talks when i am awake. So i only posted around the time those people would be awake.
- Consider that noone listens to what you say and convince me, that trying to do anything has any point.
- I am still willing to lynch them (Rarw has disappeared from the face of the Earth). Again if people do not want to do it, one opinion won't change much.

Anyway. Not interested.

cut by Rawr. And wow. Here he is.

CF7 · « **Reply #673 on:** October 12, 2014, 07:05:57 PM »

##Vote DrRawr.
That Raikaria vote is awful.

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #674 on:** October 12, 2014, 07:07:12 PM »

i dont understand isnt raikaria scum?

PX · « **Reply #675 on:** October 12, 2014, 07:07:28 PM »

You know what? I want a mass claim right now before scum have a chance to work on their fake claims. Doctor if you exist, please do not claim doctor unless you can self protect >_>

Raikaria, you're not convincing anyone to vote Shadoweh over you

Cuts: what the fuck

PX · « **Reply #676 on:** October 12, 2014, 07:09:00 PM »

Please PLEASE unvote CF7

CF7 · « **Reply #677 on:** October 12, 2014, 07:10:04 PM »

If you insist.
I still don't like that slot.
##Unvote.

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #678 on:** October 12, 2014, 07:13:36 PM »

i just dont understand this game anymore. i vote scum and i get voted for it

CF7 · « **Reply #679 on:** October 12, 2014, 07:17:34 PM »

Well i am not really convinced that Raikaria is scum. Maybe i'm wrong. Also your past life is not forgotten.

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #680 on:** October 12, 2014, 07:21:06 PM »

that is a very unsatisfying response :colbert:

SB · « **Reply #681 on:** October 12, 2014, 07:34:08 PM »

Quote from: CF7 on October 12, 2014, 07:04:33 PM

Not about super cool stuff.
- I am super-chaotic in my meta and it's not really indicative tbh.
- Please, tell me where it implies that i have setup info?
- Not motivated to say anything if i can't do anything because could not be around deadline, therefore can't really impact decision anyway.
- Almost 24 hours passed between those posts. Also reread happened.
- Considering how D1 ended, lack of the NK and how the game works it was kind of natural to further your D1 reads.
- Mostly no-one talks when i am awake. So i only posted around the time those people would be awake.
- Consider that noone listens to what you say and convince me, that trying to do anything has any point.
- I am still willing to lynch them (Rarw has disappeared from the face of the Earth). Again if people do not want to do it, one opinion won't change much.

-This isn't convincing me. Complacency is scummy anyway.
-Because you being a VT would tell you fuck all about the setup, which you implied that you DID know something about in that response to Raikaria.
-You were around 2 hours before, you don't need to be there right at the end to contribute.
-You said nothing about rereading at the time. I don't buy it.
-You didn't further it, you just parked and no other suspicions emerged. You don't tend to heavily rely on NKA anyway so I don't even see why this is a point?
-You can post when people are asleep or away though? This is dumb.
-If you're pushing hipster reads that nobody else has, I would expect you to have more conviction if anything considering you're the only one buying into it.
-You have mentioned nothing on them, so I don't see the assumption I made as unreasonable.

also lmao that rawr vote.

PX: scum won't have another janitor (or else they would've used it on Dan anyway) and I figure that they have other claims worked out anyway. I agree with doing it tomorrow, but not today.

CF7 · « **Reply #682 on:** October 12, 2014, 07:53:07 PM »

There might be no tomorrow.

Raikaria · « **Reply #683 on:** October 12, 2014, 08:02:11 PM »

My head hurts about CF7 voting Rawr.

And CF7 voting Rawr is beneficial to me. Kinda. If you want me to not get lynched CF7 you should be lynching Shadoweh for all her lurking in the shadows evilness.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #684 on:** October 12, 2014, 08:31:05 PM »

Can't we just hammer Raikaria? I don't think this discussion is helping.
Maybe we should wait a little more but considering how things are going I would rather not go to sleep without knowing everything's ok.

CF7 · « **Reply #685 on:** October 12, 2014, 08:39:33 PM »

I dunno. Due to the N2 conversion i just can't trust anyone. BT is kinda nullish due to it. PX The only one i probably trust is Conq. And yet i am not 100% sure about him. So. It's confusing. Also i am going to sleep soon, and won't be awake before the time limit expires.
I could lynch Shadoweh for her sorta unusual lurkiness. I could lynch Raikaria for his overall flip-floppy D1-D3. I could lynch NNRawr for NNR weird Me => PX switch outburst. I could lynch Mitsuki for her general tunneling on me for the better half of a game over a trivial reason. Looks like SB is trying to throw lots of shit on me and see what sticks. And i could go on. Don't like this whole conversion mechanics. It's too confusing.

SB · « **Reply #686 on:** October 12, 2014, 08:43:13 PM »

It's called making a case on you. Speaking of which, you haven't responded to it.

There's gonna be a tomorrow because Raikaria wasn't quickhammered earlier so he's probably maf. We don't have time to massclaim today anyway, considering time is almost up. I'm down with hammering soon just so that phase end can be at a time that isn't 5am for me.

Raikaria · « **Reply #687 on:** October 12, 2014, 08:55:45 PM »

Quote from: SB on October 12, 2014, 08:43:13 PM

It's called making a case on you. Speaking of which, you haven't responded to it.

There's gonna be a tomorrow because Raikaria wasn't quickhammered earlier so he's probably maf. We don't have time to massclaim today anyway, considering time is almost up. I'm down with hammering soon just so that phase end can be at a time that isn't 5am for me.

Considering at worst I have been at L-3 and thus this would mean for a scum quickhammer it would not only require three scum; who are not already on my wagon; to be online at once to do so; but also with no communication:

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4. Mafia are allowed to communicate in a QT at any time during D1 and D2. On subsequent days, they may only communicate during the night.

So if they tried to quickhammer but failed because one of them was not on or something it would be pretty obvious who was scum. Quickhammering at L-3 isn't exactly an event which marks me as confirmed scum by it not happening.

Raikaria · « **Reply #688 on:** October 12, 2014, 08:58:27 PM »

I mean if the entire scumteam was online at once and had communication abilities then maybe the fact I've not been quickhammered might be a sign that I am scum. But they don't have communication and 3 of 4 [?] of them would have to be online simultaneously.

Maybe a lack of me being hammered if I was at L-2 for a decent period would be a bad sign, but there'#s hardly enough time left to say '2 scums would have seen the L-2 for sure'.

Honestly; is the justification for my lynch this bad that people have to reach for stuff like this?

CF7 · « **Reply #689 on:** October 12, 2014, 09:01:14 PM »

Quote from: SB on October 12, 2014, 08:43:13 PM

It's called making a case on you. Speaking of which, you haven't responded to it.

I did. And your general response to it was more or less "don't buy it, not convinced and it's dumb".