Author Topic: NoTV 2 Mafia (Game Over, Scum and 3rd Party Win) (Read 98164 times)

BT · « **Reply #630 on:** October 11, 2014, 11:06:08 AM »

...It's 10 players with probably 4 scum, I'd say you're much better off treating this like MYLO.

It isn't hard to see what Affinity was trying to point at in the post with the Dorian quotes. C'mon, look at the parts he ended up quoting. Dorian helped people think he had a guilty on you and that caused his death. I also don't see why your visitor role should have N2 privileges if it's at best a weak bastardly role.

Raikaria · « **Reply #631 on:** October 11, 2014, 12:12:17 PM »

Quote from: BT on October 11, 2014, 11:06:08 AM

...It's 10 players with probably 4 scum, I'd say you're much better off treating this like MYLO.

It isn't hard to see what Affinity was trying to point at in the post with the Dorian quotes. C'mon, look at the parts he ended up quoting. Dorian helped people think he had a guilty on you and that caused his death. I also don't see why your visitor role should have N2 privileges if it's at best a weak bastardly role.

That is not a question to ask me but the mod.

CF7 · « **Reply #632 on:** October 11, 2014, 12:31:37 PM »

I don't like this situation one bit.
I'll ##Unvote for now. And i'll try to iso some people and watch some interactions.

Raikaria · « **Reply #633 on:** October 11, 2014, 12:34:14 PM »

Wait a second yeah.

If it's 10/4 it should be MYLO outright. So not sure why it's Puesdo-MYLO; unless that's saying there is a chance that it could be LYLO; but in that case I'd say Psuedo-LYLO.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #634 on:** October 11, 2014, 01:31:22 PM »

It's (probably) psuedo-MYLO because we can no-lynch today and not have an automatic game over at night phase due to outnumbering. If we mislynched today, though, it'll probably be GG during the night phase, barring role shenanigans.

I'll underscore the case on Raikaria when I get back from shopping, but basically -
Voting all over the place, typical of somebody who doesn't really care who gets lynched as long as it's not them (so at best, ITP).
Vote for PX is terribad, basically OMGUS.
Dorian stated guilty on Raikaria and was modkilled for it.
Handed out arbitrary townclear on me when nobody should be town confirming me unless they're a cop, and our cop died already so.

Raikaria · « **Reply #635 on:** October 11, 2014, 02:19:34 PM »

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on October 11, 2014, 01:31:22 PM

It's (probably) psuedo-MYLO because we can no-lynch today and not have an automatic game over at night phase due to outnumbering. If we mislynched today, though, it'll probably be GG during the night phase, barring role shenanigans.

I'll underscore the case on Raikaria when I get back from shopping, but basically -
Voting all over the place, typical of somebody who doesn't really care who gets lynched as long as it's not them (so at best, ITP).
Vote for PX is terribad, basically OMGUS.
Dorian stated guilty on Raikaria and was modkilled for it.
Handed out arbitrary townclear on me when nobody should be town confirming me unless they're a cop, and our cop died already so.

Well; this is the most solid case so far on me I'll give it that.

- Voteswitching: I was trying to push cases. I failed. Hence the voteswitching
- Px vote: I have had a negative opinion of PX since D1; even before he started pushing on me.
- Dorian: Again; his role does not state anywhere that he has cop abilities. Speculate on his death as much as you want; there is no hard evidence here
- Townclear on you: Misrep. I have a TOWNREAD on you; not a TOWNCLEAR.

Raikaria · « **Reply #636 on:** October 11, 2014, 02:20:21 PM »

Also if I didn't care about the lynch I wouldn't have kept trying to push wagons until mid Day 3 where I literally ran out of cases.

Raikaria · « **Reply #637 on:** October 11, 2014, 02:21:36 PM »

Quote from: Raikaria on October 11, 2014, 02:19:34 PM

- Townclear on you: Misrep. I have a TOWNREAD on you; not a TOWNCLEAR.

To specify; I do not have a Townclear on anybody. Except myself. I have townreads but no townclears; especially factoring in the conversion.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #638 on:** October 11, 2014, 03:17:15 PM »

Raikaria;
Made a bunch of cases on various people days 1 - 2 but his status report is basically saying a bunch of people are town or null. Only says scum in association with 'lurkscum Dan', who flipped green cop. Bad.

This kind of thing "But seeing the opinions of people seems to be against my logic on PX, I might just back off back to CF7 again" in 390 is kind of a great example, on the previous page he called out PX and now he's abandoning it almost immediately.

This post where he explains his vote for PX is because of PX's illogic. PX is voting Raikaria because Raikaria said stuff that showed him criminally unaware of game state and Raikaria voted him for it, however PX was in the right. So that's why I initially voted Raikaria on day 3. I was having doubts when I started thinking Oarfish was faking a PR though.

Anyway then this happened.
N1 target was Mitsuki. N2 target was Dormio. Strangely enough I got roleblocked N2.
Well; I think I got roleblocked. I got a 'your night action failed' message. Not sure if I failed to visit because Dormio died or I was roleblocked or what.
Re: Conq, "Why did you target those?"
I chose them because I felt like it.
Could not explain reason for targeting.

So we have an unfortunate coincidence, Raikaria.

You admitted to targeting a player who died when only scum should have been able to target anybody, and this is consistent with Dorian's story that lead to his self destruct.
You also can't explain why you would have targeted Dormio when Dormio was supposedly ascetic. That is the same as wasting your night action.

The clear explanation is that the reason you could target Dormio is because you are the scum janitor.

You are also implying that you have an immune to conversion role which is dumb. The role would surely state "Because you are Youkai, you can act on night 2 and also are immune to conversion" if those things were in effect. So you should know if you are immune/able to act and not as a secondary explanation to questioning suddenly realise "Oh yeah, maybe I could act because I'm not a human". It reeks of making it up as you go along. It seems like half the game is immune to conversion.

Finally some reads.
here
Main point is Raikaria forgot I was in the game but said this:

Quote

Lurkereads on:
Shadoweh; Actiondan; PX; anyone not mentioned

And then adds me in the next post as town read.

I'd like to see explanations for your scum/town reads. You also state that you targeted Shadoweh last night but didn't explan why :/

Bardiche · « **Reply #639 on:** October 11, 2014, 05:03:03 PM »

Those Lalatmas aren't acquiring themselves, you know!

Raikaria: PX, Sky_Paladin, Mitsuki (3)
PX: Raikaria (1)

Democracy-hating Scumbags: Shadoweh, Conqueror, DrRawr, BT, SB, CF7 (6)

With 10 left, it takes 6 to lynch.
1 Day, 11 Hours remaining

Raikaria · « **Reply #640 on:** October 11, 2014, 06:59:16 PM »

Do I require a reasson to use a random visitor role on anyone? With Shadoweh's content levels I think it is a good chance that Shadoweh is scum.

And I've given my cases on people I think are scum to death already. The people I think are town all have something in common: They are actually putting effort in the game; which looks like town effort; and are doing more than just tunneling on one person. They are looking at the larger picture. Put simply; you; Conq; Mitsuki and to a lesser extent SB look a lot more like townies than PX; Shadoweh and CF7. Rawr is a nullread since he kinda only just joined the game; and BT I think has a good shot at being the convert; because his play has drastically changed as of D3; not to mention his activity dropped off the face of the earth. He went from being my strongest townread barring maybe Conq to what he is now.

Not to mention his complete 180 stance on some players; most jarringly me.

Raikaria · « **Reply #641 on:** October 11, 2014, 07:00:21 PM »

I mean I'd probobly think a little better of PX if he'd done something notable except tunnel on me for no really specified reason; virtually ignoring most other events since about D2.

Conqueror · « **Reply #642 on:** October 11, 2014, 07:26:44 PM »

Raikaria, the case on you is pretty much what Sky_Paladin summarized up. Too many coincidences, plus the fact that your posting today is more similar today to scum under pressure in lylo than town (from past experience reading lylos). Seriously though, how did you not come to the conclusion today that "being lynched today" --> "town loss" from pseudo-MYLO.

re: your case on px

Quote from: Raikaria on October 10, 2014, 07:48:02 AM

While one could argue this shows confidence in his lynch on me, I argue if he had such confidence, he would have evidence. Also he has not even really made a solid case as to why he is lynching me.

#Vote: PX

This pretty much shows you aren't reading PX's quotes or Dorian's flips. I also get the nagging suspicion that you're scum here pushing PX because it leaves the least trails to follow afterwards. You say "And I've given my cases on people I think are scum to death already." but the only person I remember you making a case on since D3ish was Dorian.

Despite all this, I'm almost tempted to lynch Shadoweh over Raikaria, since all she's had to mention in terms of reads, even after I basically begged her for them, is role/setupspec + that Mitsuki is assuming that Shadoweh is scum, which isn't even true. I want to pull a Faraday and lynch unconfirmed scum over almost confirmed scum. :V

Conqueror · « **Reply #643 on:** October 11, 2014, 07:29:42 PM »

##Vote: Shadoweh

I'm curious as to what will happen if I do this.

Conqueror · « **Reply #644 on:** October 11, 2014, 07:33:28 PM »

If Raikaria is scum, Shadoweh is almost certainly scum due to interactions. SB went over them already but I could probably summarize them again later.

If Raikaria is town, Shadoweh is almost certainly scum for playing around on the sidelines talking about roles while Raikaria is run up.

Add general play for reasons Shadoweh is scum and we're golden.

Raikaria · « **Reply #645 on:** October 11, 2014, 08:32:52 PM »

Quote from: Conqueror on October 11, 2014, 07:26:44 PM

Raikaria, the case on you is pretty much what Sky_Paladin summarized up. Too many coincidences, plus the fact that your posting today is more similar today to scum under pressure in lylo than town (from past experience reading lylos). Seriously though, how did you not come to the conclusion today that "being lynched today" --> "town loss" from pseudo-MYLO.

re: your case on pxThis pretty much shows you aren't reading PX's quotes or Dorian's flips. I also get the nagging suspicion that you're scum here pushing PX because it leaves the least trails to follow afterwards. You say "And I've given my cases on people I think are scum to death already." but the only person I remember you making a case on since D3ish was Dorian.

Despite all this, I'm almost tempted to lynch Shadoweh over Raikaria, since all she's had to mention in terms of reads, even after I basically begged her for them, is role/setupspec + that Mitsuki is assuming that Shadoweh is scum, which isn't even true. I want to pull a Faraday and lynch unconfirmed scum over almost confirmed scum. :V

Being lynched today probobly means a town loss but it's not 100% I believe because it is pusedo-MYLO.

Quote from: Conqueror on October 11, 2014, 07:33:28 PM

If Raikaria is scum, Shadoweh is almost certainly scum due to interactions. SB went over them already but I could probably summarize them again later.

If Raikaria is town, Shadoweh is almost certainly scum for playing around on the sidelines talking about roles while Raikaria is run up.

Add general play for reasons Shadoweh is scum and we're golden.

The only interactions with me that show Shadoweh is scum are her attempts to lynch me. I don't quite understand how people are drawing Shadoweh+Me scumbuddies.

That said; I think Shadoweh is scum and I will wholeheartedly support lynching her if this is actually going to be a thing. I'd rather we lynch PX because I think PX has a better chance of being scum but I feel Shadoweh has a good chance too. [If I had to put numbers on it; I'd say I'm 90% sure PX is scum and 80% sure Shadoweh is.]

Conqueror · « **Reply #646 on:** October 11, 2014, 08:41:48 PM »

Shadoweh hasn't shown interest in your lynch before today and even then it's just poking at why your roleclaim probably isn't legit. It's more your hard defense on D1, followed by repeated categorizing of Shadoweh under lurker category but always pursuing other lurkers over her.

Conqueror · « **Reply #647 on:** October 11, 2014, 08:42:02 PM »

*before the roleclaim yesterday

SB · « **Reply #648 on:** October 11, 2014, 09:45:50 PM »

Motivation when there's pretty much a guilty is hard. Still need to reread.

I think PX suggested a massclaim? I'm against this because there's still a protective role probably if it didn't get janitored and if the first game is anything to go by another info role too.

I don't like how CF7 ignored my response to his case and did nothing? At least acknowledge it or something.

Conq: I'm working off the assumption that Raikaria is scum since he wasn't quickhammered at L-2, and that'd imply scum was either too inactive to vote their or the scumteam makes up most of his wagon, and I'm inclined to think that Mitsuki is town atm and Sky too probably. 100% down with lynching Shadoweh tomorrow for reasons already stated, although if a vig could be me to it that'd be great. Kind of doubt it after Raikaria today, but.

Also, what's a Faraday?

Conqueror · « **Reply #649 on:** October 11, 2014, 09:49:45 PM »

Quote from: SB on October 11, 2014, 09:45:50 PM

Conq: I'm working off the assumption that Raikaria is scum since he wasn't quickhammered at L-2

This is probably true. although I don't know if scum would quickhammer when they dont know the reasons behind psuedomylo.

Faraday is ~~~96k coulombs~~ just some guy who played mafia and did what I was saying. :V

Conqueror · « **Reply #650 on:** October 11, 2014, 09:51:15 PM »

fakeedit: in the game I'm referring to he lynched an unknown over a revived, flipped scum. although in that game it was absolutely the right thing to do given multiball shenanigans.

SB · « **Reply #651 on:** October 11, 2014, 09:56:58 PM »

The potential of a doc save or a hit BPV actually happening is pretty low and I'd imagine scum has some kind of info if the last game is anything to go off of. I also think that Shadoweh is more likely to be the jan or the recruiter, whereas Raikaria could potentially be an actual role.

Also quickhammering wouldn't expose too many of their members when it was at L-2 either so it wasn't as if the game was unsalvagable after that happened either.

SB · « **Reply #652 on:** October 11, 2014, 09:58:46 PM »

Also uh, where did the unrecruitable stone or w/e end up on N2?

Conqueror · « **Reply #653 on:** October 11, 2014, 09:59:21 PM »

Unknown person --> BT --> Dan --> Mitsuki.

Conqueror · « **Reply #654 on:** October 11, 2014, 10:01:39 PM »

##Unvote

SB · « **Reply #655 on:** October 11, 2014, 10:32:29 PM »

COOL STUFF ON CF7:

-He used the "I wanted to get reactions and move on RVS" as an excuse for not having strong opinions in PAD, whereas his ED1 play in Tic Tac Toe was a lot more decisive than what he put out here, where it didn't feel like he was strongly invested in his scumreads. His play here leans more towards the former imo.
-This post implies he has setup info kind of, then he claims VT?
-He sat on the sidelines when the D1 lynch happened and said "meh I don't like these" but didn't try and press anyone else.
-He jumped from disliking Shadoweh to she's likely town with no explanation after she posted uh, maybe once?
-He basically parks his suspicion on Mitsuki D2 without actually doing anything which is super easy considering that she didn't post.
-He only really posts opinions when it gets fairly close to the deadline D2.
-He says that he'll drop Mitsuki because it's not productive and then never forms a stance on anyone else which is even worse.
-He has suspicions of PX and NNR over the course of the game (PX first I think) but then drops them completely unless people ask him what he thinks of them.

So yeah we have our lynch after Shadoweh? Maybe even before then, actually.

PX · « **Reply #656 on:** October 11, 2014, 11:55:32 PM »

Yeah I'm definitely feeling Shadoweh.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #657 on:** October 12, 2014, 04:30:12 AM »

>_> You wouldn't. You know Faraday lynched confirmed scum that day too. (oh i guess we're thinking of diffrent games)
Also stop feeling me, thAT'S sexual harrassment! It's one of my 92 triggers!

Are you really going to make me do this today? I was kind of hoping to talk tomorrow since we're confirmed not to lose today.

PX · « **Reply #658 on:** October 12, 2014, 04:45:12 AM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on October 12, 2014, 04:30:12 AM

>_> You wouldn't. You know Faraday lynched confirmed scum that day too. (oh i guess we're thinking of diffrent games)
Also stop feeling me, thAT'S sexual harrassment! It's one of my 92 triggers!

Are you really going to make me do this today? I was kind of hoping to talk tomorrow since we're confirmed not to lose today.

Or we can talk today

PX · « **Reply #659 on:** October 12, 2014, 04:46:17 AM »

Who do you think is the scums Shadoweh?