NoTV 2 Mafia (Game Over, Scum and 3rd Party Win)

[Affinity]

The Day Ends      
               
CF7:    Mitsuki, NNR, SB, Raikaria (4)                     
Raikaria:    Dorian, (1)               
O4rfish:    Sky_Paladin, Conqueror, Shadoweh, BT, PX, Dormio (6)   
Sky Paladin:   ActionDan (1)
BT:   O4rfish (1)   
PX:   CF7 (1)

With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.         

Time's up!  It is now Twilight 2.

[Bardiche]

STOP

HAMMER TIME


Cut by Affinity, who clearly hates fun things.

Mod edit: Haha!

[Affinity]

After a lengthy tirade against how the villagers were treating her, O4rfish fell silent, indignant with anger.  Even under mounting cries of who, where, and why, her thoughts merely turned inward, far from the maddening crowd.

She had a vision of a beautiful Gensokyo, back over on the other side.  A world of a golden age, where conflicts were trivial and settled without hurt or pain, where interesting characters with kindly dispositions interacted with each other in harmless damanku.  It was a world she caught sight of a long time ago, through a glistering lake on the night of a full moon, and how it enraptured her for many sleepless nights to come!  How she dedicated her life aloud, in quiet words, to finding it again once more, to maybe even explore it and live over there!

But well, sad to say, it was this unhealthy obsession with the dreamlike which proved to be her end.  Tragic, really, to fall through the border just as her fabled Gensokyo was seguing into the scarlet mist of nightmare.  As she was hoisted up on the rope, she saw only caricatures of the characters Maribel once related to her with glee, twisted by a humanity she had already tired of back in her hometown.  Next, she saw withered trees, as the knot on her neck tightened, then numerous bats, as numbness spread, and finally, the dark night and the full moon,  reminiscent of precious memories.

In her last moments, Renko Usami, Vanilla Townie attempted to tell the time from the stars above.  It was too cloudy, though!

[Affinity]

O4rfish's flip is as follows:

You are Renko Usami, Vanilla Townie and human.  You have no special abilities.

Recently, you looked a bit too far beyond the looking-glass, only to fall into one of the most acopolyptic events to benight Gensokyo in all of its history ever since the last NoTV.  You're not sure if your friend Maribel is around here or not, but you hope very much to fight to preserve it, and perhaps journey around this beautiful, beautiful place with her, as you have always wanted.

You win when all members of scum are eliminated.  All the best.

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Conq, ActionDan, and Mitsuki have mysteriously disappeared for the night!  Hence, they cannot undertake or be targeted by any night actions, including the conversion.

It is now Night 2, the night of the full moon.  You have 24 hours remaining to submit any night actions (me and Bard as usual).

[Affinity]

The night of the full moon was a brutal one.  Screams could be heard from outside, as well as chomping sounds and the sound of bats flapping their wings.  And though the morning should have brought relief, all thoughts of that were far away when the villagers saw what was in the town square.

It was the squashed remains of an unlucky person from last night, mangled beyond all description and identity.  After some head-counting, that person was found to be Dormio.  No defining characteristics as to her role, flavor or alignment could be discerned, however.

Furthermore, from the long off, the bell tower of the SDM was chiming.  It was a traditional sign; someone was converted into a vampire scum last night!  Everyone eyed one another in suspicion, but this yielded no answers.

Least importantly, Conq, Mitsuki, and ActionDan have mysteriously appeared among the villagers again.

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It is now Day Three.  With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

You have 72 hours remaining

[Conqueror]

Son of a bitch, I wanted to vote Dormio today. I'm not sure whether to assume janitor vig like last game or think that Affinity wanted to try out Zak's yakuza idea.

Mafia sucks.

Also, me, Dan, and Mitsuki had a QT last night but Mitsuki never showed up? I'd presume it's because she was busy but I'd like to get clarification from her on that.

Uh, I'm not sure who I want to vote now since I was thinking 3 of Dormio/NNR/Mitsuki/Sky last night and I wanted to lynch Dormio off the bat. CF7 is a possibility but I was really wary of how people were pushing him.

I guess I'll read a bit before I go to sleep.

[Conqueror]

On second thought, I have info that implies that Dormio can't have been the Remilia, who I'm assuming is the recruiter. Which means he was janitor vigged. Meh.

[Conqueror]

Well, unless someone wants to step forth and claim the Dormio kill. That would be cool.

[Conqueror]

This game is too hard, mostly because we have a bunch of people who either provide minimal content or case someone and then leave for 24 hours.

I want CF7 to address the questions I asked him at the end of yesterday and come up with a vote that doesn't basically look random.

I want Mitsuki to talk about people other than CF7.

I was going to vote NNR here but I read him and I don't think he's scum honestly. Worst thing against him is lethargy in his votes.

##Vote: Mitsuki For now? I'm not sure if I want CF7 or Mitsuki to go more. Worse because they're probably not going to be scum together given bussing before N2 in this game is terrible for scum. Mostly I want Mitsuki to expand on the rest of the game because from past experience CF7's wording is easy to pick apart.

The Dorian/Raikaria back and forth looks as stupid right now as it did yesterday and I'm not interested. Might have to reconsider Shadoweh but I don't want to believe.

[Conqueror]

*CF7's wording is easy to pick apart, so it would be easy to tear him apart for inconsistencies in his narrative when at the very least his votes have showed a decent amount of initiative.

I will probably look at some CF7 scum and town games later.

[Dorian White]

Yes! I'm still here~ alive and my spirit unshakable high* Even when I know that things look kinda bad now but hey we still haven't lost yet! So who's up for a scum lynch?

##Vote: Raikatia

You are free to sheep either Dormios or my case* ^.^/

[Conqueror]

I would lynch Raikaria over you but don't think either is a good prospect. Like I think his case on you is bullshit but I think it's well-intentioned? >_>

Uh, a question for Raikaria though. How is Dorian asking PX for a claim rolefishing when PX was near lynch?

Especially since PX had already claimed before in the thread, showing he hadn't even read PX's posts, despite being voting for him.

And this is also false, given PX only claimed right after that post. Kinda want you to clear up why exactly you suspect Dorian.

[Dorian White]

Oh~ come on Conq~ what can I do to make you see the light? Or rather said~ Raikarias sinister ways! :ohdear:
I put real effort in my case and no one seems to care~ even to the point that I didn't got reasons why they don't wanted to vote with me here* So what is it?

PS: By the way~ my PR got a bit loosened* A ?living up to the spirit? kind of deal~ I guess* So I'm in a really good mood right now*^.^/

[Conqueror]

To be honest I mostly skimmed your posts because a lot of it was just debunking Raikaria's posts. I mean, I already disagree with Raikaria's cases, I just don't think he's scum for them?

Like, to answer some of the later stuff you brought up.

raikarias play today brought even more questions~ why the need to give o4rfish a clear now when he never gave a reason why he suspected him in the first place? ^^;
and why this sudden dan vote? which I don't agree with by the way* shouldn't it be SB as the the next one in line on his list of suspects? 0_0

Reading Raikaria's posts. Okay, it's true that he didn't say much about Oarfish, but he did mention he agreed with sky's points about him and that oarfish was unmemorable. I'd be interested in hearing what struck him town about Oarfish's later posts, I guess.
I don't see why SB would be a priority over Dan? Granted I think the Dan vote was bad but I don't know what you're talking about.

[Shadoweh]

##Vote: Mitsuki

Conq, how confident at this point are you about Dan's alignment? This is basically game theory xXxXx, but you, Mitsuki and Dan are badsically guarenteed not to be recruits today. How likely is it that there would be three town confirmed not-recruits? Also I can't imagine not having time in 24 hours to say something in a QT unless I'm a giant scumbag.

[Conqueror]

Mitsuki didn't even log into the QT judging from unique views so I'd guess she was legit busy and didn't see the pm about the QT. So I'm not holding that against her.

I think Dan is pretty town, incidentally. And yeah, part of me thinks there wouldn't be 3 town commuters on N2 but it's not a sure thing.

[Conqueror]

This is a note to myself to read SCP containment breach for Raikaria scum meta. For tomorrow.

[BT]

If Dormio was vigged then the vig should stand up, yeah, since the info would be nice. If you want it hidden from the scum try asking for the hot potato messenger. I don't want to think it was a Scum NK because why would they NK Dormio?

I'll have to re-calibrate now since there's probably a scum in the people I handwaved so far.

[Dorian White]

Once again~ the analysis of the Shadoweh wagon at the end of day one* He made quite a big deal out of it*

...
And I would say my analysis of the Shadoweh wagon had conclusions. SB's case was shakey, BT basically just sheeped SB and you case was just plain bad.
...

even at the beginning of day two was it still a thing for him* But that's the first and last time he mentioned SB! Aside from a side note of being cut by him*^^;
You could say that it wasn't strong suspicion but even as he tried to look for alternative votes wasn't there a single word about SB~ instead we got a artificial gut read on Dan from him* Odd isn't it?

And about his O4rfish opinion* It's already kinda funny to see how CF7 jumped from null read and town by association (my vote on him ed1) to suspicious within around one and a half hours*^^
But aside from that ...

Also I consider the points against O4rfish valid; I just find CF7 worse in my opinion.

Does that sounds like agreement/suspicion over weak town read? I don't think so!

@BT: How nice of you to call by* ^.^/ Would you mind to explain your town read on Raikaria? The last time you did that was quite obscure and disagreeable* Thanks ~

[Raikaria]

Uh, a question for Raikaria though. How is Dorian asking PX for a claim rolefishing when PX was near lynch?  And this is also false, given PX only claimed right after that post. Kinda want you to clear up why exactly you suspect Dorian.

Eh; really? I assumed from PX quoteing that in response to Dorian asking that PX claimed before Dorian asked. This makes me a wee bit confused about why PX acted like that now instead.

And he wasn't just asking PX to claim anyway.

And about his O4rfish opinion* It's already kinda funny to see how CF7 jumped from null read and town by association (my vote on him ed1) to suspicious within around one and a half hours*^^

Uh; what? I said CF7 was null still because I had been avoiding reading him because I wanted you lynched and lynching you; if you flipped scum; would make him town because of your RNG force. So my read on him was null. Associative Town would only be the case if you flipped scum.

At this point I said I would re-read and my re-read made me decide it was worth lynching CF7.

And of course I'm going to make a 'big deal' about my primary case at the time. Especially when nothing else happens.

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Anyway for now I'm just going to ignore Dorian. His tunnel level on me is equivalent to Dormio; and just focusing on the nonsense he spews out is going to make me in turn tunnel on him and not notice other stuff as much.

I'd like to see an ActionDan lynch on principal but he's apparently vanished from the town, and I'm not sure if we can lynch people who have poofed. [Conq; this applies to Mitsuki too]. Although I guess we would need to wait for a votecount for verification on this matter.

Oh wait Conq is on that list too and is speaking.

I'm confuzzled now. What does 'disappeared among the villagers' even mean? Oh wait that's the QT thing Coinq is claiming OK now things make sense-ish.

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As for what made me think O4rfish = town? His BT case seemed to have legitimate, if in my opinion misguided, town effort. That's all. And I don't think O4rish is necessarily town; just townier than Dorian/Dormio/CF7/Dan; all of whom have yet to do anything which strikes me as townie.

Conq what makes you think InActionDan is town because I have a very hard time swallowing that opinion and your insistence on this fact combined with my strong townread of you is pretty much the only thing stopping me voting Dan right now.

Although to be fair a 'strong townrerad' actually probobly isn't a good thing at this point with the conversion. Honestly I'd say you or BT are likely converts. [If you were town to start with]

===

Ugh this conversion thing is making my head hurt. I'mma thoughtdump on everyone. Especially since the convert would have to have been done by now.

[In]ActionDan: Severe Lurkscum at this point; but Conq says he's town
CF7: Still probobly a good lynch idea. His posts and especially his cases have been lacking
Sky_Paladin: Not as active as usual but he's most active when he's on the noose anyway so I write this off since he's had little pressure. I've liked his posts.
Dorian: Happy to lynch him but I already know that the rest of the town are not. Also I am a little wary of what happened last time I tried to lynch Dorian.
Me: Mad; Confused Townie
SB: I almost forgot he was in the game. Almost. Then I recalled what he has posted has seemed alright.
Mitsuki: Another person who's not actually done that much. My townread of him has been slipping due to this and now it's more an associative read based on CF7.
Shadoweh: Post more Shadomeh. Again; D1 I had a good townread on her; but lack of activity is making this slip.
NNR: Wait you're in the game?
PX: Ugh; another person I'd like to lynch on principal of DOING NOTHING
Conq: Had a strong townread; but is probobly 50/50 with BT for convert
BT: Had a strong townread but is probobly 50/50 with Conq for convert.

I mean at this point I'd love to lynch Dan/NNR/PX for lurking and the fact MotK scum does tend to be lurky. Shadoweh; SB and Mitsuki are edgeing towards the point where I'd think of lynching them on activity basis too. One of Conq/BT were probobly converted; so I guess lynching one of them and then the other is an option. Dorian and CF7 I think are scum for reasons other than lurkiness; but I know a Dorian lynch probably isn't gonna happen after D2.

This game is hard because a lot of people are not posting, maqking it hard to form solid reads [especially the important interaction based reads...]. I know this is Night of the Vampire but that doesn't mean it has to be Day or the Lurkers.

#Vote: CF7

[Mitsuki]

Also, me, Dan, and Mitsuki had a QT last night but Mitsuki never showed up? I'd presume it's because she was busy but I'd like to get clarification from her on that.

... I just realised that I had a message, ugh. I could have logged in and talked since I was here for part of the afternoon (just very tired). I doubt I would have posted much anyways, I didn't feel like doing any sort of effort.

I barely have anything to do today, so I'll finally read what happened until now!

[PX]

Conq: Had a strong townread; but is probobly 50/50 with BT for convert
BT: Had a strong townread but is probobly 50/50 with Conq for convert.

Vote Raikaria

[Dorian White]

...
Uh; what? I said CF7 was null still because I had been avoiding reading him because I wanted you lynched and lynching you; if you flipped scum; would make him town because of your RNG force. So my read on him was null. Associative Town would only be the case if you flipped scum.
...

Oh dear~ are we suddenly lacking confidence? You said that CF7 and I can't be scum together~ based on my vote~ and you sounded quite sure that I will flip scum yesterday~ didn't you?
So what was it that changed your mind about me? Assuming scum me equalizes assuming town CF7 and vice versa~ by your very own logic*
I would ask you what you actually think of CF7~ is he null or scum* But at the end of your post are we both scum? And that's a trick you have to explain to me* I may ?borrow? it if I like it~ ze* But I don't think that I like it at all right now! ^^;;

Also~ I like the fact that you come up with ?reasons? to go with every lynch possible that isn't you but how could Conq get recruited when he was mod confirmed unavailable last night?

@PX: Unexpected but appreciated~ yay* ^.^/

[ActionDan]

Lets not lynch mitsuki because she isnt the recruit the janvig or the recruitor

[PX]

Oh right, that's true. None of them could have been either the vig or the recruiter, so only possible 1 scum in there.

[CF7]

I wish life mafia could be simple.
To address some earlier points.

I think CF7 would hold more conviction when genuinely casing someone.

I think CF7 would hold more conviction, if CF7 thought that he could convince someone.

In the second quote CF7 implies that the same stuff that he uses to case me (first quote) is null. As much as I can see town forgetting about their cases, I don't think they'd go from finding someone scummy to finding it null.

I didn't switch to null, i stated the reason of your vote at the time.
I still don't like the way you answered on D1, but w/e, i am willing to drop it for now, since our potshots at each other are not productive.

Your opinion on PX has been fluctuating a lot. What did you think about him at the end of D1, and how did he go from not a top scum pick at the beginning of today to whatever he is now?

It's something like this.
At the start of the game there're 15 players. 2 of them are guaranteed to be mafia (Scarlet sisters). On N1 mafia can't kill. And at D2 it's 14 players. On N2 they convert one of the players bringing guaranteed total number of mafia players to 3. So i was thinking, if it is possible to have someone else in the mafia team at the start of the game. I'd say it's possible. And my main beef with PX is his Patchy claim, i guess.

[rolespec]Now we have at least 3 scum players out of 12 players. Dormio was murdered. Also it was quite messy. Considering our vampire setting, the killer might be a werewolf or something similar. Also it was night of the full moon, so it's quite likely. Also since it was night of the full moon, i think it was a one-shot based on the moon cycles and all that. Also considering game's mechanics, mafia team is likely not that powerful. Remilia is likely a recruiter, and Flan is likely to have some sort of strongman or something. Or maybe she's just vengeful. Converted townie is a VT.[/rolespec]

On Dorian/Riakaria. Their argument is quite interesting. They
Dorian. Is RP'ing as Marisa. Also is post restricted. Also posts lots of fluff. Also is amusing. Also voted me to "save" Zak. Also is voting Raikaria.
Raikaria.
Votes Dorian. Not certain about me. Again votes Dorian. And again is not certain about me. Votes for some other people. Not certain about Dorian. Actually votes me, because i am still a good lynch candidate. So, there.
I dunno. That looks like a slapfight. Not sure if it's a town/town slapfight or a scum/town slapfight, but it's interesting.
So that said. I am getting some town vibes from Dorian. And kinda null'ish, leaning scummy on Raikaria. Will probably vote for Raikaria.

Also i spent a whole lunch break reading this horrible game, thinking about it, while munching on some really spicy tacos and now my mouth is on fire, so bye for now.

[Raikaria]

Also~ I like the fact that you come up with ?reasons? to go with every lynch possible that isn't you but how could Conq get recruited when he was mod confirmed unavailable last night?

@PX: Unexpected but appreciated~ yay* ^.^/

We don't know what this actually means. Does it mean he can't be targeted by anything? Can't be killed? Was in a quicktopic? We don't know what 'vanishing from the town' means, besides the fact that Mitsuki; Conq and Dan were bundled into a quicktopic last night; and that is based on Conq's admission. If you know more you should probobly spill, since that probobly means BT was converted.

Also PX do you care to explain more about why my townreads on BT/Conq are worth you voting me, or me being fairly confident that scum would have converted one of those two because they looked very townie? Because you're not exactly helping to convince people.

[PX]

Last game Remi was recruiter while Flan was the Janitor vig. I see no reason to assume it's not the same. Anyways, now is when town's PRs should start working, and we didn't slaughter all of them  before they did stuff like last time. Although thinking I'm scum just because of my claim is lame when you have no base that my flavor cannot be town. NotV1 had Patchy as town, I said that in my claim post!

Cut. It clearly says that they couldn't act during night, and they COULDN'T  be targeted, INCLUDING being converted. Mod words. Read gdi, that's why I'm voting you

[Raikaria]

Oh dear~ are we suddenly lacking confidence? You said that CF7 and I can't be scum together~ based on my vote~ and you sounded quite sure that I will flip scum yesterday~ didn't you?
So what was it that changed your mind about me? Assuming scum me equalizes assuming town CF7 and vice versa~ by your very own logic*
I would ask you what you actually think of CF7~ is he null or scum* But at the end of your post are we both scum? And that's a trick you have to explain to me* I may ?borrow? it if I like it~ ze* But I don't think that I like it at all right now! ^^;;

Also what the hell are you reading here?

I am saying it is possible that either/or of you are scum.

I'm going to spell this out as simply as possible Dorian.

D2: I did not pursue to really re-read CF7 because after my initial read I thought you worse. If you were scum, it would make no sense for CF7 to be scum since you pushed the lynch to RNG. This is the associssation that would be revealed if you flipped scum.

Late D2: I start giving up on lynching you because no-one else is agreeing. I'm not gonna waste my time and tunnel on a single player. I re-read CF7 and agree that he is a good lynch candidate in his own right. I feel the case on him is stronger than the reasons O4rfish is getting lynched. I stated multiple times I would rather lynch you than CF7, but CF7 is scummy.

D3: I am current voting CF7 because I know a lynch on you is not popular.

Also worth noting: If CF7 flips and flips scum, that pretty much gives an associative clear on you. It would make no sense for you both to be scum, because of you pushing the lynch to RNG D1. Associative reads work both ways. My late D2 re-read of CF7 is part of what is making me doubt lynching you, combined with a lack of popularity for the lynch, and what happened last time I was sure you were scum.

Cut. It clearly says that they couldn't act during night, and they COULDN'T  be targeted, INCLUDING being converted. Mod words. Read gdi, that's why I'm voting you

I'm more focused on reading and digesting people's content. I overlooked the mod announcement.

But if this is the case I am about 90% sure since the conversion was successful that BT is converted; if he was not scum in the first place. I'm actually very tempted to vote BT because of this.

[Raikaria]

tl;dr:

Either of you could be scum. I think both of you are scummy. However both of you cannot be. You and CF7 flipping scum is mutually exclusive because of D1.