NoTV 2 Mafia (Game Over, Scum and 3rd Party Win)

[SB]

mafia sucks      

O4rfish:    Sky_Paladin, Conqueror, Shadoweh, BT (4)                  
CF7:    Mitsuki, NNR, SB (3)               
Raikaria:    Dorian, Dormio (2)               
Dormio:    PX (1)
ActionDan:   Raikaria (1)
Sky Paladin:   ActionDan (1)
BT:   O4rfish (1)   
PX: CF7 (1)   

With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.         

PHASE END

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also, there are claims going around by people that my reads are inconsistent or whatever and yet people aren't really looking all that closely at Raikaria for whatever reason.
I guess it's because he's got a bad case on Dorian that people believe is genuine for some reason?

Upon rereading, none of Raikaria's D1 actually really amounts to anything.
It's like, he's got this little case on CF7 which is complete bullshit because herpderp statistics.
And then he votes Zakeri here for saying he'll be back later.
And then the next post is chainsaw defending Shadoweh for whatever godawful reason.
And then the remainder of his content for the day is "I don't give a fuck about reading other people we should lynch Zakeri".
~Go to happy tomorrow~
I feel like the case on Dorian here is complete bullshit and something Raikaria pulled out of nowhere to make it look like he's doing something awesome.
Also, things like this-

And Dormio, it's not like much has actually happened Day 2. Half the players are lurking. So of course I'm not going to do much except push Dorian during Day 2 because nothing else is happening.

-amuse me.
Things that make me feel even worse about Raikaria with how this day has gone is how easily influenced he seems to be by the game's flow.
Like, yeah, whatever.

[Bardiche]

Roegadyn are... OK, I guess!      
               
CF7:    Mitsuki, NNR, SB, Raikaria (4)               
Dormio:    PX (1)            
Raikaria:    Dorian, Dormio (2)               
O4rfish:    Sky_Paladin, Conqueror, Shadoweh, BT (4)   
Sky Paladin:   InactionDan (1)
BT:   O4rfish (1)   
PX:   CF7 (1)

Unvoting democracy-hating communists:   (0)

With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.         

3 hours left!
Just because the mods forget you're playing isn't reason to stop posting and voting!

[ActionDan]

woah 3 hours ok.

I'll get around to reading in an hour.

[BT]

woah 3 hours ok.

I'll get around to reading in an hour.

:V

Why would VT!CF7 approach PX's claim the way he did though? Saying that someone has an easy fakeclaim that can't be proven is bullshit if you have the same role that they do.

I think it was more "this shouldn't be a basis to clear someone". There's nothing really bullshit about it? I don't think he's talking about the VT claim being strange for being a VT claim, just... not meaningful, and then "he could be lying" sounds like CF7 was talking about the specific flavor because he thinks people think PX's flavor is important. I don't know, I'll just stop but I don't see what you're seeing. I will say that CF7 is ignoring the fact that this ISN'T why people read PX as town after D1.

[Mitsuki]

Maybe people have already brought up some of this stuff but well.

CF7: I previously stated here that I thought he was scummy because of general reactiveness and tendency to discredit people. Same goes for this post. Wording also seems to hold no real conviction in some parts ("you don't win townie points", "it does not look town to me"... quotes may not be 100% accurate) I think CF7 would hold more conviction when genuinely casing someone.

Also you are quite strongly accuse me of being scummy and want to lynch me. Yet in your latest post you are willing to switch to someone else "for consolidation purposes". Which is not really a good reason to abandon your strongest scum read, instead of pushing for said read lynch, to be honest.

Mitsuki simply voted because of Zak's lurking at the time and she at least wanted to have someone lynched.

In the second quote CF7 implies that the same stuff that he uses to case me (first quote) is null. As much as I can see town forgetting about their cases, I don't think they'd go from finding someone scummy to finding it null.

There's also an inconsistency on his opinion on PX between this two posts, both from D2. PX cased NNR on D1, and CF7 states that he's more or less null other than his character claim. Why would he bring up PX's NNR case as something scummy afterwards? This looks like scum being unable to find stuff to case people and trying to get people to lynch someone else.

Overall: Looks like he's been looking for excuses to vote people and his tone reads as scummy. I don't think I'll change my vote.


I'll ISO Oarfish and go to sleep, if you want me to give my opinion on something else tell me and I'll see what I can do.

[SB]

People weren't townreading PX solely because he claimed VT though? It was partially due to the circumstances of the claim which he completely ignored, and he didn't really try to case PX until just now. The character thing is also silly because scum will have nameclaims considering there's two characters who are confirmed scum in the flavour?

[Conqueror]

Why would VT!CF7 approach PX's claim the way he did though? Saying that someone has an easy fakeclaim that can't be proven is bullshit if you have the same role that they do.

People do dumb things and suspect people based on flavour.

Although reading through CF7's iso I noticed one thing.

Because i didn't want to vote for either of Shadoweh or Zak, that is. That's why i said i was at a loss.

Shadoweh wasn't even a wagon at that point. It was Zak. Your opinion on PX has been fluctuating a lot. What did you think about him at the end of D1, and how did he go from not a top scum pick at the beginning of today to whatever he is now?

[Conqueror]

*It was Zak and PX

[Mitsuki]

Oarfish is totally null to me, nothing makes him scummy or townie other than what I previously stated that he had been doing nothing in mafia while being around MotK, but he's posted more during D2 so I don't really think it's telling.

Don't lynch PX, his general behaviour has been terrible but I don't think he'd go and try to case NNR like that as scum, it looked like genuine bias. Sorry PX but it's true.

[Conqueror]

Oarfish is totally null to me, nothing makes him scummy or townie other than what I previously stated that he had been doing nothing in mafia while being around MotK, but he's posted more during D2 so I don't really think it's telling.

What about the fact that he's basically active lurking?

[Conqueror]

I realized CF7 probably isn't going to be around to answer my question, lol.  :derp:

Meh, I could see CF7 as apathetic scum. I could also see CF7 as apathetic town though. This is part of why I prefer the Oarfish lynch.

[PX]

I.... don't really see CF7 as scum :| Still reading, but I'll try to decide between Oarfish and Dormio.

[BT]

Those contradictions aren't really contradictions (I can come up with solid narratives for the Mitsuki and PX suspicions), and it wouldn't be something that makes or breaks a case on CF7. My take on CF7 right now is that even though his opinions are weak, I can see him having them and acting upon them like he has so far. Oarfish's play on the other hand reeks of not caring about wagons and taking defensive stances instead of something I can see as organic suspicions. I mean, sure, CF7 did the same thing with you (Mitsuki), but he's overall more involved. Take his latest post - "Since no one really stands out too scummy to me..." - I can see Town CF7 in this position, where he isn't showing any proof of scumhunting but at least seems to have opinions, whereas Oarfish is just... a lot of his movements come off as scummy behavior a lot more absolutely.

I'm not at the point where I want to stomp on the CF7 wagon but I'm honestly close enough.

We still don't have claims which is abominable.

[BT]

PX vote Oarfish. Dorian and Dan, vote Oarfish! CF7 and Oarfish can stay on useless wagons if they want.  :fail:

[PX]

Reading Oarfish was really easy because there's nothing there :|

Unvote
Vote Oarfish

[ActionDan]

w/e.  there isn't much there tbh. 

let's extract the claim first.

[Affinity]

The Pear Tree Is Laden With Fruit      
               
CF7:    Mitsuki, NNR, SB, Raikaria (4)                     
Raikaria:    Dorian, Dormio (2)               
O4rfish:    Sky_Paladin, Conqueror, Shadoweh, BT, PX (5)   
Sky Paladin:   ActionDan (1)
BT:   O4rfish (1)   
PX:   CF7 (1)

With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.         

1 hour left!

[Shadoweh]

Home \o/ Ran upstairs to see if anything amazing happened at day end, see claims haven't happened yet >:C
I'll be back in like a half hour after eatan, O'm still good with my votes
Dormio would be an okay choice for me seeing as he hates me for inexplicable reasons.

[Dorian White]

@BT: tell me~ why should I bow to your demands when you don't even feel the need to address my case?^^;  especially when I still not agree with the wagon you suggest*
where is the benefit for scum4rfish in his acts? what's the scum intent behind it? I know that scum doesn't plays flawless but if your case stands on assumptions like newbie-scum/flawed scum play~ then you only go for bad play in disguise* which isn't actually convincing!

you may call it useless but I enjoy my vote where it is~ on who I think is most likely scum! ^u^

[Conqueror]

(If you think Raikaria is scum, you should vote for the Oarfish wagon, which is the counterwagon to the CF7's wagon he's on.)

Benefit: Not everything a mafia player does has explicit scum benefit. But the overall picture will benefit scum. If Oarfish is scum, his play benefits scum because he's kept his cards so close that no one can tie him to any opinion. And he doesn't have vote tying himself to wagons that matter either. Overall there's a sense of unattached from the game.
Scum intent: He doesn't know how to fake cases. If you're implying Oarfish plays like this as town, he doesn't.

[Conqueror]

Christ how do I english. You get the idea.

I'm off for dinner. Hopefully I'll be back before deadline.

[Sky_Paladin]

Wtf I am actually here for phase end! Usually this only happens because I'm mis-hammering town in LYLO.

If oarfish has a good/plausible claim I naturally would move my vote but i kind of think if he was town he would have claimed ten hours ago when BT asked him to claim.

Dan is my second scum pick after I had to abandon PX. His content today is a repeat of yesterday eg weak vote late phase on a player who is known to not be around late phase, and nothin else.

Raikaria voted Dan then hopped off because "nobody is interested in a Dan wagon" or something like that, but he did that in the space of a few hours and I thought Dormio was there.  I think it's strange and I hate strange.

Cut by Dorian being scummy as hell.

Wait a moment. Didn't somebody target Dormio with some mushroom ability?  Aren't stars Marisa's thing? 

Like...could the person who targeted Dormio have been redirected to Dorian? I'm on my phone and can't check easily.

Cut: ok phew.

[ActionDan]

Please guys, I'd like to eat up your scum reads on me.  eat em up.

[BT]

Dorian: What do you want me to address?

[Affinity]

25 minutes left!

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I could switch to O4rfish but I haven't really read him and the only reason I'd really be switching to O4rfish would be that I like the people who are voting for O4rfish but whatever.

##Unvote
##Vote O4rfish

[Dorian White]

geez~ guys do you want me to mess up again by forcing me to quick post?^^;;

@conq: I could actually get around that but you still have to assume that he failed at it or he wouldn't be the wagon that he is right now* also~ I remember him focusing a lot on roles~ so I could see why town4rfish would have troubles to form reads this time*
by the way~ wouldn't he have claimed by now to save his neck?^^; I mean it was you who brought up the idea that scum got save claims~ wasn't it?

@sky: geez boy~ and I targeted dormio with the mushroom ability~ cause I am marisa~ ze! ^u^/

@BT: this perhaps?^^;

[Conqueror]

I swear if we didn't have majority lynch rule

[Conqueror]

I don't know why he didn't claim. It doesn't make sense from his as town or a scum move honestly so.

In summation: Mafia sucks