NoTV 2 Mafia (Game Over, Scum and 3rd Party Win)

[Affinity]

Hmph!
         
Zakeri:  Conqueror (1)
ActionDan:    Zakeri (1)         
CF7:    Raikaria (1)         
Sky_Paladin:    (0)      
Dormio:    O4rfish (1)                  
Raikaria:    Dormio (1)      
SB:    Sky_Paladin (1)            
Shadoweh:    Dorian, SB, BT (3)         
NNR:    PX, CF7, Shadoweh (3)         
PX:    Mitsuki, NNR (2)         
Conqueror:    ActionDan (1)         

With 15 people it takes 8 to lynch.
Bard made a countdown to End of Day. It might be useful. (Less than 24 hours remain!)

[Dorian White]

@Dormio: I think the problem with the Raikaria case is, that Reply #44 was his way to voice his distaste for PX reason to vote and to call it an attempt to shut down discussion is quite a stretch.
The rest is, lack of presence, which can be said about a lot of player in this game and active lurking, which I also don't really see.
And when I look at the votes then it seems I'm not the only one that thinks that way.

I'm also not really interested in a Neko lynch! It may just be me but the way his wagon formed still raise my hackles, so I need a good reason to vote here.
I would rather lynch PX right now but that would be more out of constraint than I think he's scum. There is also the line that sill puzzles me, maybe his answer will help here.

@Sky: So far so good but even as I came to the same interpretation as you about Conqs recruiter line, at last as I read it the first time, am I still not sure what makes SB scum here.

By the way, I think Conq is right about the recruiter being a specific role, cause I have reason to think it's Remilia.

PS: Isn't it quite an exciting enigma? It's still foggy right now but I'm sure everything will fall into place in due time.

[WHMZakeri]

Refuge in audacity. No one is buying your policy lynch on Dan, and the way you're pushing it doesn't give me good vibes. What do you think of the other stuff going on?

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[Sky_Paladin]

Conq

Very much the second meaning. >_> I'm actually not sure how you interpreted as the first. I'm not sure why you think SB is scummy for interpreting it that way either?

Because I thought that reading it the second way was the unnatural way to read it, and I figured the reason somebody would read it wrong is because they have knowledge of how the scum team works.  You say it's the other way around though so @__@

Dorian

By the way, I think Conq is right about the recruiter being a specific role, cause I have reason to think it's Remilia.

Really?  Why do you say this?

1. N2 is the night of the full moon, when the Scarlets traditionally convert a human into a vampire Mafia Goon (no special abilities). This is the only conversion role in the game. Everyone will be notified in-topic as to whether it is successful.

Use of 'Scarlets' as opposed to a specific flavor presented indicates to me that this is likely a factional ability. 

Also this uh

5. Scum are guaranteed to have at least two vampires (Remillia and Flandre Scarlet)
6. Species is not an arbiter of alignment!  Characters may be different from their canon counterparts.

Makes no sense to me.  As far as I am aware, we have 'vampire' and 'not-vampire'.  In the very likely scenario where we have multiple youkai characters, we're still going after the vampires?  Right?  RIGHT?

Zakeri

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The phase is only on for another 17 hours.  I think I am reading it right this time:  'votepark til phase end then consolidate onto a popular wagon'. 

##unvote
##vote Zakeri

[PX]

Reasons I'm voting NNR
1) I don't like him
2) His smug attitude and tendency to piss off everybody lots of people will pretty much result in him being a giant distraction, so him gone would probably be helpful for town in the long run
3) His posts so far have failed to impress. Woooooooooo
4) Basically, he's gonna be like UK from the last NotV. Except he's not good enough for the scum to consider recruiting.
5) I'd rather see him dead than argue with him

So yeah, don't really see a reason to keep off him
The recruiter is probably tied to a role, because that's how it was last game. Don't really see how that logic is wrong

Mitsuki keeps me very weary though, she's just very passively waiting for a response for Shadoweh. And that's just about it

I would be more weary of Zakeri but..... Where the hell is ActionDan? :\

Dormio's case on Raikaria is unimpressive. Not willing to move to Raikaria when NNR is still here.

[ActionDan]

Guess I better get some scumreads.

I can predict who I'll scumread though.

Dormio / Skypal / BT

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I'm bored with Raikaria right now since the guy isn't really saying anything.
So instead I'll look at this:

Reasons I'm voting NNR
1) I don't like him
2) His smug attitude and tendency to piss off everybody lots of people will pretty much result in him being a giant distraction, so him gone would probably be helpful for town in the long run
3) His posts so far have failed to impress. Woooooooooo
4) Basically, he's gonna be like UK from the last NotV. Except he's not good enough for the scum to consider recruiting.
5) I'd rather see him dead than argue with him

So yeah, don't really see a reason to keep off him

10/10 case would sheep.
##Unvote
##Vote PX

[Raikaria]

Stuff happened, I'm awake now. So I'm gonna do stuff Dormio.

Why does everything happen w3hen I am A: Busy or B: Asleep?

Reasons I'm voting NNR
1) I don't like him
2) His smug attitude and tendency to piss off everybody lots of people will pretty much result in him being a giant distraction, so him gone would probably be helpful for town in the long run
3) His posts so far have failed to impress. Woooooooooo
4) Basically, he's gonna be like UK from the last NotV. Except he's not good enough for the scum to consider recruiting.
5) I'd rather see him dead than argue with him

So yeah, don't really see a reason to keep off him

Bolded are all awful reasons which have no place in mafia. And the unbolded reason honestly applies to a lot of people. Which also includes me I guess, hopefully no longer with this post.

I would have voted you for it but the second part of your post actually does show you are looking for scum elsewhere too.

@ Sky:
We know Scum has Remilia and Flandre. According to CF7; there are 5 scum players. I'll assume everyone in the game is based off of a Touhou character because I am and we know Remi/Flan are in the game and say we can't have 5 Vampires. Touhou has 3 [Kurumi] and 1 unconfirmed [Elis]. I would be more inclined to be of the opinion that if there are indeed 5 members of the scumteam like CF7 claims, it is the 5 primary members of the SDM. [Remi; Flan; Patchouli; Sakuya; Meiling].

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*Checks time*

Oh you mean at the deadline? And you're not gonna scumhunt but just sheep? I agree with Sky here.

#Unvote
#Vote: Zakeri

Nothing else really stands out at me as important enough to drag out again. I do have a couple of townreads and scumreads forming now [chief among these being Zakeri]

[Shadoweh]

I think I've gotten spoiled by day phases that last longer then our games. >_>
I seriously hope Mitsuki hasn't been waiting this entire time for me to respond because I'm not voting PX and missed the question completely before. I wouldn't have seen it if other posts hadn't been referencing something I had no idea about. :V

@Shawoeh: It's too early to be serious about it? I do rather say it's too late to joke around!
It's also kinda cheap to say that ?it? works but not to tell us how it works in this case. So, what has Neko done that's so scummy that doesn't applies to CF7 as well or to a even higher degree to yourself?

I think this is getting lost in translation. You only actually do wagon analysis on finished wagons at the end of a day, not random unfinished wagons in the beginning. I was trying to bug Neko into a response but it looks like he's afk or something, which isn't half as fun. Why Neko and not CF7 is a shitty comparison though considering I was clearly questioning CF7 about what he was doing. And nothing I do is anything but magic.

Also, CF7 barely responded to say his vote was bad. <_< It doesn't look like he's been -around- after that either. Still someone I would prefer a wagon on at this point. (I looked down at the post before this one and 'Zakeri said a thing that implies he'll lurk till deadline' sounds kind of reactive. And holy shit I skimmed PX's case but somehow didn't pick up that 4/5 points aren't about mafia. Neko's barely posted enough to be bugging nevermind deserving of that, knock it off.)
PX is at least right about how the recruiter worked. I wouldn't be surprised if who has what powers was mixed up this game just to throw off guessing though. Please stop talking about 5 scum Raikaria, that's not even slightly a possibility.

##Unvote
##Vote: CF7

I'm not honestly hot on a PX lynch, even if policy sucks he's stating his opinions on others on the off-side. Looking at how spread out the votes are I'm just going to state now that I'm Sanae and hooman. Also that if there aren't any VT's this time that my mafia life is a joke at my expense.

[Mitsuki]

48-hour D1s are the worst thing ever.

Shadoweh, I asked about NNR's vote, but I wrote PX instead for some reason.

I saw nothing scummy with PX's NNR vote (I disagreed with him, but it looks null to me) and BT's vote was obviously a joke. The votes I found somehow weird were Shadoweh's and (specially) CF7's. I found it quite hypocritical that they'd vote someone for being 3rd on the wagon on RVS and make themselves 3rd and 4th in the wagon at the same time, and while it'd be ok if it was a joke their votes didn't feel like jokes. I asked generally so as to have as little influence in their reply as I could.

CF7's vote read as scummy to me, it looked like he was looking for an excuse to vote someone and that's why he placed his NNR vote. His reply to my question felt scummy as well, it looks like he's concerned about my questioning and trying to discredit my reasoning by saying that I'm scum with no basis.

##Unvote
##Vote:CF7

I'm guessing Shadoweh's vote wasn't serious after all given her recent post, and her posts don't read as scummy.


The only other person I'd lynch other than CF7 is Oarfish. It's more of a lurker lynch but the only thing he's done is asking for clarification here, and he's done nothing with PX's reply or anything else from then in spite of posting on MotK after that.

CF7 >>> Oarfish

I'll reread stuff when I get back, but nothing else stuck as scummy.

[Bardiche]

Affinity being all, "I'mma post like I made the countdown!"
         
Zakeri:  Conqueror, Sky_Pal, Raikaria (3)
ActionDan:    Zakeri (1)         
CF7:    Shadoweh, Mitsuki (2)      
Dormio:    O4rfish (1)                        
Shadoweh:    Dorian, SB, BT (3)         
NNR:    PX, CF7 (2)         
PX:    NNR, Dormio (2)         
Conqueror:    ActionDan (1)         

With 15 people it takes 8 to lynch.
TICK TOCK, 9 hours remain!

[Raikaria]

I must be awake, because nothing is happening.

However I do feel the need to poke something:

##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh

Her last post has a lot of /words/ but it doesn't look like there are any real opinions forming there and that's kind of weird. I would joke about this being ED1 strong but 48 hour day phases are a thing.

So you're voting Shadoweh for posting words, but not giving solid opinions? This I can buy somewhat... but voting someone for /words/ isn't exactly a good vote reason.

##Unvote NekoNekoRex
##Vote Shadoweh

I don't really feel one way or another about NNR. Backing up SB in that Shadoweh's #66 is weak; the CF7 line in particular doesn't read like an honest suspicion when it's somewhere between critic and reasoning it out for him? What's actually bad about what CF7 did? I also can't really find the motivation for her NNR vote.

The other thing that jumps out is Sky's latest post because it's a really convoluted thing to press. Like, is that really what caught your attention?

Yo Dormio, Raikaria does that literally all the time. Last game he did it without having a concrete direction but this time he was pretty transparent about pressing CF7 arbitrarily, so he's probably not scum this time? Meh, mostly pointing this out in case you don't know how meta that argument is on Rai.

OK; why are you voting Shadoweh then? You vote her and then talk about other people.

If I remember the theory correctly, then the fourth on the wagon has a even higher chance to flip scum. Especially when the wagon is made of distress and opportunism!

##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh

Mhmm, it seems I got the better case here.

And no, this isn't a case.

The three votes on Shadoweh range from shakey [SB] to unexplained [BT] to outright bad. [Dorian]. I don't like this being of the primary wagons for this reason. SB's Shadoweh vote is the best of the three and I can let slide but Dorian and especially BT [For those of you who subscribe to the school of thought about the third on the wagon... he voted Shadoweh with 0 explanation. Not even 'I agree with SB' or anything.]

Honestly I'm happy to vote BT for his Shadoweh vote because it's that bad, but I'd rather keep my vote on Zakeri for the time being for his self-admitted lurking.

[Raikaria]

Oh wait BT did say he agrees with SB. But it's a short mention blended in with talking about NNR.

[Raikaria]

So my opinion on BT is not 'this vote is godawful I want to lynch him as well as Zakeri' now after I noticed that. I still don't like his Shadoweh vote because it seems mostly to be sheeping SB but it's not awful, and to be fair, there ain't a lot to go on.

I still think the Zakeri wagon is 8x better than the Shadoweh one.

[Mitsuki]

No more posts after mine with so little time left kill my motivation. cut by Raikaria
I won't be here for the deadline, most likely. Neither Sadoweh nor Zakeri seem scummy (yes at least I ISOd them), but I'll switch my vote for consolidation purposes before leaving if needed.

[Sky_Paladin]

I'm going to be away for phase end.

Really unhappy with Oarfish/NNR/Zakeri/Dan for lack of content or engaging other players. Dan posting reads without explanation is no content IMO. 

Sticking with my Zak vote because he is policy voting Dan but playing as if he was Dan. Hypocrisy!

Note phase will end with majority lynch if there's no hammer anyway so I don't feel any urge to stay up and consolidate.

[CF7]

Hm... Interesting.
Okay, i'll bite.
@ Shadoweh.
So, what's the basis of your vote? I wasn't around, because i was busy (also D1 is stupid anyway, but that's beyond the point). And that's pretty much all your reasoning.
@ Mitsuki.

His reply to my question felt scummy as well, it looks like he's concerned about my questioning and trying to discredit my reasoning by saying that I'm scum with no basis.

Why bring this up now? Why didn't you ask that, when i answered your question? Considering how defensive your response to the lighthearted question about you being scum is, you don't really win townie points for this.
Also you are quite strongly accuse me of being scummy and want to lynch me. Yet in your latest post you are willing to switch to someone else "for consolidation purposes". Which is not really a good reason to abandon your strongest scum read, instead of pushing for said read lynch, to be honest. All in all your general behavior does not look town to me.
##Unvote
##Vote Mitsuki

[Mitsuki]

CF7, I'm saying I'd swith because there's a tie between Shadoweh and Zakeri and I want someone lynched at least.
Also I didn't post before because I wanted to see Shadoweh's answer, as I already stated in my posts.

What I said before about CF7 applies to that last post as well.

[Mitsuki]

Well, sigh.

##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri

I'd rather have lynched someone who's been lurking.

[PX]

 in spite of posting on MotK after that.

Please stop that

Also won't be here at deadline. Also, mobile still switches to the old blue theme lol

[CF7]

Also, current wagons are not appealing to me. Like at all. Shadoweh is likely town. Not so sure about Zakeri, i won't lynch him either.

CF7, I'm saying I'd swith because there's a tie between Shadoweh and Zakeri and I want someone lynched at least.

Well, w/e. I am not suicidal enough to try to convince you that lynching me, who you find scummy is better, than any of the current wagons.

[ActionDan]

I am not the lurker you are looking for.

If that helps.

Not really seeing Zakeri being scum for lurking, since this is a thing he does occasionally. 

Though it seems like the main wagons today are Zak/Shadoweh.  So I guess I'll look into those first

[PX]

CF7, I'm saying I'd swith because there's a tie between Shadoweh and Zakeri and I want someone lynched at least.
Also I didn't post before because I wanted to see Shadoweh's answer, as I already stated in my posts.

What I said before about CF7 applies to that last post as well.

But everybody clearly saw your post had a mistake and didn't make sense. You didn't even bother making the 10 second correction. Srsly?

[PX]

Also the Shadoweh Wagon is dumb

[Conqueror]

Only real reason I'm pushing Zak over others is because I think he's the best lead I have right now, and it's not like Zak only lurks as town. Plus if he wanted to push on policy/lurking there are multiple blatant offenders this game so I have to wonder how sincere he is. I don't particularly follow the CF7 case. Not really convinced about Shadoweh either.

[Conqueror]

Reminder that there are only 4 hours left till deadline? Yeah, unless I want to start a flashwagon on someone else I think this is where I want to vote atm. NNR went completely AWOL and PX is a middling read for me.

I won't be around for deadline, so it's a good thing majority lynch is a thing.

[Dorian White]

@Sky: I said this, because it clears things for player like you who don't remember the first game! For an instance, rule 5. and 6. make a lot of sense when you think that scum had two vampires and one not-vampire in their team back then. You see what I mean?

Now back to the matter at hand, Shadoweh isn't a thing anymore, she crumbed Sanae all game and I don't think scum would limiting their claim options that early. Therefore ?

##Unvote

So, where to go now? I'm not actually too hyped about a Zakeri lynch, his refusal to play till a half hour before deadline strikes me as too bold for scum. But I really dislike his vote, Dan is surprisingly active, at least for his standards, and his posts feels kinda town (here you got your ?motherfucking miracle? Shadoweh ). So I got nothing to object his lynch.

PX on the other hand seems to be an alternative. His policy lynch is silly at best and his opinions are not actually telling either, ?failed to impress? kinda fits it. So I would more likely end up voting him than Zakeri.

But if I have to pick a lurker right now then it would be BT, his vote pattern so far strikes me as the opportunistic coasting that I expect from lurk scum. And therefore ?

##Vote: BT

PS: Sorry for being late, I'll make up for it by staying around till deadline, ze.^^

[Affinity]

Told at Sunset
         
Zakeri:  Conqueror, Sky_Pal, Raikaria, Mitsuki (4)
ActionDan:    Zakeri (1)         
CF7:    Shadoweh (1)      
Dormio:    O4rfish (1)                        
Shadoweh:    SB, BT (2)         
NNR:    PX (1)         
PX:    NNR, Dormio (2)         
Conqueror:    ActionDan (1)   
Mitsuki:  CF7 (1)      
BT:  Dorian (1)

With 15 people it takes 8 to lynch.
3 hours left

[NekoNekoRex]

Sort of. I am concenrned about, that NNR hasn't reacted to it.

if I reacted to every vote on me forever then I would just be lynched for it since that's what happens every game anyway.

Unless you mean the 3rd Vote thing, for which I am bad at counting and thought Shadoweh was the 3rd vote.

Wait holy shit there's 3 hours? How did I mi- oh 48 hour days. Fuck

[ActionDan]

Zakeri's iso is surprisingly easy to read.  Um.  More or less totally null.

Ok then!

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