NoTV 2 Mafia (Game Over, Scum and 3rd Party Win)

[Sky_Paladin]

Why?

You are trolling me, right?

[O4rfish]

Skypal: I unvoted Dormio because his reasoning behind voting PX made him look town.

I didn't have enough time to decide whether to actually vote PX or not, although I think if I were his buddy I would have made up a reason to vote Zak.

Seems like you would have caught that, if you had done something more logical than ISO other people and then vote me.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Dormio, who usually articulates his suspicions well.

I have no idea who you're mistaking me for here.
Anyway, I was going to read through the game during the night but then I was working on an assignment that I didn't finish because they extended the due date so I'm reading now and making this post and this sentence is far longer than it has to be but I don't really give a fuck and will continue to have it run on simply because I can and none of you can stop me from doing this unless somebody has like a day post restrictor or something along those lines but then again people don't really post restrict me since I tend to post restrict myself for no reason whatsoever so yeah even if one of you could stop me you probably wouldn't because the only one that stops me is me.

Yeah I read through the rest of PX's posts from yesterday and I still don't like them.
However, I don't feel like pursuing this for reasons unspecified.

##Vote ActionDan

Basically, I get the feeling that Dan was vomiting out content that he didn't really care about in order to look like he was active and contributing.
Why do I think that Dan's posting was insincere?
I'm not entirely sure how to put it into words but it's like it seemed like Dan never wanted to fully commit to anything.
Like, for the majority of the day, Dan is really getting on Sky Paladin's case. He even goes so far so as to say that he thinks that he's found a scumslip in Sky Paladin's post.
But he doesn't really follow up on it.
Instead all Dan really does for the day is snipe at Sky Paladin without ever really pushing the case.
And I don't like that.
On top of this, I'm really not a big fan of how Dan handled the end of D1.
I mean sure I guess Dan doesn't have any real opinions on any of the major wagons because all he's been doing for most of the day is pressing Sky Paladin without actually really pressing Sky Paladin but then posts like this one really sets off warning bells for me.
Why does ActionDan blindly trust Conq, even though he notices that Conq is contradicting his earlier opinion about CF7?
Instead of questioning it at all, Dan just simply mentions it as an offhand comment whilst still sheeping Conq.
I mean Conq did clarify later and it would make a lot more sense if Dan had waited for Conq's explanation before proceeding to sheep CF7.
And then there's also the fact that Dan mentioned that Zakeri not claiming caused him some concern but just ignored it.
The fact that Dan just went for it despite these points makes me think that Dan didn't really care at all about who was lynched D1.
I also don't like that Dan just immediately claimed not to have affected BT but whatever I guess.

Also, will sheep cases on CF7/Raikaria.

[Conqueror]

Why does ActionDan blindly trust Conq, even though he notices that Conq is contradicting his earlier opinion about CF7?
Instead of questioning it at all, Dan just simply mentions it as an offhand comment whilst still sheeping Conq.

10 minutes from deadline. And unless you're going to push the idea that I'm scum, then what's wrong with it in the first place?
Dan claiming Zak's lack of claim caused him concern would be scummier if Zak flipped scum. As is it's no different from someone claiming reservations about a lynch.

Like, for the majority of the day, Dan is really getting on Sky Paladin's case.

I mean sure I guess Dan doesn't have any real opinions on any of the major wagons because all he's been doing for most of the day is pressing Sky Paladin without actually really pressing Sky Paladin but then posts like this one really sets off warning bells for me.

Dan started pursuing Sky about...6 hours from deadline. I would take your case more seriously if you read it like that but framing Dan's behaviour as pushing Sky Paladin for most of the day and suddenly moving off him isn't even close to what happened in the game.

Dormio your Dan case sucks.  :colbert: Dormio are you scum?

[Conqueror]

inb4 answering for people. Bite me.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Oh I didn't properly read the deadline timer.

However, Dan was pursuing Sky for a very long time.
I mean it starts here. That post might not look like much more than an offhand comment at first but then you look at the follow up post here and I'm under the impression that Dan was on Sky Paladin a fair bit before 6 hours before deadline. Also this is like the first thing Dan actually does in this game so yeah.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

inb4 answering for people. Bite me.

[ActionDan]

It's fair to question why I voted CF7. 

And sheeped Conq.

1.) I bothered to read Zak's posts after he stopped lurking and realized that his observations about CF7/Mitsuki held some value, which he conveyed in his opinions.
2.) I am fully aware that town players can change their opinions.

@Dorian

I have no qualms about smoking out whoever visited BT during twilight.  I regard the action with suspicion considering BT's asking for a reveal.

[NekoNekoRex]

Popping in before I turn in for bed.
dont have the time nor means to make a long post or read in depth. sorry

still dont like PX for obv reasons.
From what I remember of yesterday i dont like skypal or rai. will iso them in morning.
sb, mitsuki, and cf7 arent memorable which feels bad. hope they post more, will also iso them.
not confident enough to put down a vote until i can read more. i am bad at mafia.
see you lot tomorrow.
-NNR ‘ω‘

[Affinity]

Votecount      
      
ActionDan:    Dormio (1)         
CF7:    Conqueror (1)               
Dormio:    BT, PX (2)            
Raikaria:    Dorian (1)               
O4rfish:    Sky_Paladin (1)         

With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.         

1 day and 19 hours remaining

[Mitsuki]

##Vote: CF7

Voting him based on what I previously stated, nothing new here. I haven't read any of today's posts and I didn't pay attention to most of the D1 end posts. I asked for a replacement for three days since I'll be very busy until Sunday (uni stuff + selling stuff at an event and having to finish things for it + Vhaltz is here + lots of other minor stuff), but I was told that I wouldn't be able to replace back in afterwards and I deifnitely want to keep playing.

[Raikaria]

you mostly just vote-parked on zakeri and did do much else~ aside from some criticism on other cases which lacked any conclusion* so who do you think is scum and why?

Guilty as charged, I voteparked on the person who I felt was the most scummy. I didn't do much else because most activity happened when I was asleep. I even whined about it a few times. I would have done more so far but it appears the timezones of when people post this game are really, really, really not conductive to me. Also my mafia playstyle is reactive and looking for things other people say and honestly for a 15p game the level of content was astonishingly low.

And I would say my analysis of the Shadoweh wagon had conclusions. SB's case was shakey, BT basically just sheeped SB and you case was just plain bad.

I like 95% of Dorimo's most recent wall. I'm not burning up with enthusiasm on the case itself but it still seems like town effort, which Dormio hasn't really shown so far. The 5% I do not like is the part about sheeping.

Sky makes a good point about O4fish's appearance at the end of D1.

Hey Raikaria hey. Don't awfully suspect you but I'd like to address some things, mainly that you were around for deadline but didn't comment on Zak's posts when he showed up. Also want you to elaborate on your reads during D1 since you said you had some but your content scope is rather small. When it turned out my vote wasn't as bland as you thought it was, what happened to the other people you disliked on the Shadoweh wagon? You just kinda left it standing there in favor of Zak lurkiness.

Was around but wasn't around. I was preoccupied with other things at the time. I had the window open and was downstairs watching TV. Not like Zak's end of day content was impressive or anything, indeed, you, PX and ActionDan voted for him shortly after his content.

I still dislike Dorian and SB's votes on Shadoweh, and I still dislike yours for sheeping reasons. Dorian's is still worse than SB's.

===

Anyway, onto reads.

I still dislike Dorian. I feel his votes are weak [He spent a large part of D1 voting Shadoweh for being 3rd on the wagon, and now he's voting me for not doing much which is partly true but still kinda a cop-out at this point]. For the amount of content he has posted it dosen't feel like he's actually done much. Also he pushed the vote to RNG instead of making a decision, and he didn't seem too convinced by Zakeri's content.

Pushing the vote to RNG dosen't seem like a town thing to do, especially when he did not justify it. It just shows apathy for the lynch, and this makes a lot of sense if Dorian is scum and both of the parties who it came to RNG on are town.

Also don't like him pushing for claims as well due to this possibility. Especially since PX had already claimed before in the thread, showing he hadn't even read PX's posts, despite being voting for him.

Due to these factors I think I will start the day voting Dorian.

#Vote: Dorian

Other people I dislike include ActionDan [Content]; O4rfish [Usually sticks more in my head than this game, which is usually a bad sign] and to a much lesser extent Dormio because I was heavily unimpressed by his D1; but so far his D2 is quickly changing that impression. As I stated before, I think Mitsuki is town, while he's not posted much I like the content in those posts, and I also think BT is probobly town now.

Not quite sure about CF7 yet.

[Raikaria]

Also on the topic of me not taking about Zakeri despite being 'around' Zakeri's posts were just before 10pm my time.

[CF7]

I am here. Reading. Also i vanished at deadline because it was pushed back 3 hours into too late to really stay awake.
I am not sure if i should address this or not, since it's a) i can't see how you can call that a "successful scumhunting", b) Zak is kinda dead.
Also D1 vote count.
Me and Zak got a tie, but RNG favored me, which i am not sure if should be happy about or not. Probably happy.
Also i am town. Zak is also town. So it was town/town which is not good, but oh, well. Also i think that aside from cop and maybe doc the rest of the roles are simple VT's.
People who voted me kinda voted me as a sorta flash-counter-wagon to Zak. I won't comment on it, because it was a consolidation lynch and consolidation lynches are dumb.
People who voted Zak were not active at deadline, aside from BT, but he voted and then not posted anything. So i am not sure if any of them can be really held responsible, but still. Sky voted accusing Zak of vote-parking. Raikaria did the same. Mitsuki simply voted because of Zak's lurking at the time and she at least wanted to have someone lynched. PX voted Zak as a counter-wagon. And BT voted for some questionable reasons.

I am kind of not sure about PX claim and why people think clear him as town because of it. Patchy is from SDM. Rules state that there're guaranteed to be 2 vampires in the mafia, and that's all. Still he's not high on my scum list atm.

I'd still lynch Mitsuki, because of her general tone of her responses. And that don't really care attitude in the end. Also this.

##Vote: CF7
Voting him based on what I previously stated, nothing new here. I haven't read any of today's posts and I didn't pay attention to most of the D1 end posts.

Also i don't really like O4rfish for not being really here and his response in his #211

That's pretty much it.

[SB]

I need to reread but Smash 4 is almost done downloading and I'd like to play that so uh, I'll keep this short. I still don't feel great about Shadoweh but I'm wary that I've been tunneling in too hard there so I'm gonna leave that for now. I agree with what Conq said about PX, his deadline posts didn't read like scum who were on the cusp of being lynched so I'm feeling pretty good about him today.

##Vote: Sky

Rolling with this. Even if he's been trying to play more low-key there just doesn't seem to be any scumhunting energy there, his D1 cases were unmemorable (no: essentially one liners that were completely dropped on Oarfish and me don't count.) He's apparently scumreading Dan but I can't see where the heck it comes from in his posts (and I think Dan is town in this game get at me.) His PX case doesn't look like a case, it just looks like some questions and looks kind of reactionary? So does his Dan suspicion, for that matter. His Oarfish case is sort of okay but I don't feel too strongly on it.

Every time I read Dormio's posts the first thing that comes to mind is "this is scum" because I feel like he's just pushing kind of weak cases on people who aren't really in the spotlight and he's just sort of... there. I have this same feeling on Mitsuki too but she's apparently just busy?

Raikaria your Dorian case sucks lol, it looked like they wanted a 50% chance of the person they wanted lynched dying over a 0% chance, rather than apathy towards it. I've already explained why my Shadoweh vote was decent and you're failing at reading there too, so >.>

Too lazy to do more Smash time gooooooooooo

[Dorian White]

I ask you who's scum and you tell me how much I suck at this game~ sure that's helpful! ^^;

to enlighten you on my votes~ I voted shadoweh for opportunism and as it was as weak as a ed1 vote could be but when you consider how long it took her to say that her vote was for pressure and moved it~ then it's hardly my fault that I had to keep it that long* and I am voting you right now~ cause your position on the game is still as clear to me as the red mist! ^^;
if you think that I haven't done much then I can tell you that this feeling is mutual and in case you haven't  noticed it~ I wasn't too fond of the zakeri wagon before* so yes~ I wasn't convinced by him of cf7 being scum but that doesn't means I wasn't convinced of zakeri being town*
how dear you to rub in the salt~ that I was only able to tie the wagons in the end when it was your ignorance that took part in leading us there? <_<;

so~ if ?pushing the vote to RNG dosen't seem like a town thing to do?~ then what would be the town thing to do? I was there till the very end talking my ass off as I tried to get alternative wagons going~ even risking to mess up my post restriction in the process (which sadly actual happened ;_; )~  while mr pro-active himself watched had nothing better to do then watching TV in blissful ignorance? I mean just look at this:
?still think zakeri is the best lynch right now* unless he comes from the heavens with something drastic to change my mind*? why would you even say that when you knew that you wouldn't be around to deal with what ever he comes up with?

and what's wrong with requesting a claim? my last request was here and PX claimed here~ so what have I missed? oh wait there is a quote~ KO fine~ I really missed that* ^^;;

now to your conclusions about the shadoweh wagon: my vote was bad~ sb's vote was ?shakey? whatever that means and BT just sheeped SB* nothing you put over the guy who were just foolish enough to admit that he wouldn't be around before deadline?
but now SB is suspect to an unknown degree~ BT is town because   and I am the scum of the earth for holding a ed1 vote to long and a interpretation of my end of day efforts that I can only see as a twisted~ insulting misrepresent! :t

and finally your weeping about timezones* what keeps you from talking about things that happened when you weren't there? and when it's such a big deal for you~ then why haven't you considered that as you judged my shadoweh vote? >_> put your big-girl-panties on~ everyone got problems*

PS: what am I doing wrong? no matter who I vote day two~ I run into a counter vote* it makes me all sad and angry~ which is really bad right now since I am supposed to be jolly ^.^/ and maybe other things ending on -olly*
Now I need a deep breath and a mushroom or two before I go on* ^^;

[NekoNekoRex]

Probably my only time here for the rest of the day phase so I'm gonna try to make it count.

Reread SB so far, no strong opinions either way, but he seemed awfully quiet D1.  His reads in general were also pretty wishy-washy and it didn't look like he had very strong opinions on anyone. He also kinda sat on the Shadoweh vote all day.

I actually really want to feel bad about Dormio but at the same time I don't like PX and Dormio was pretty much immediately on that shit he pulled D1, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend. so I'm kinda torn on him.

[NekoNekoRex]

Don't feel good about CF7 in general. Essentially his post today so far is a bunch of 'analyze the wagon' but he doesn't form any solid reads off of it. He doesn't have a vote or a single scumread down, aside from Mitsuki, who he isn't even voting. The voting between CF7 and Mitsuki that's been going on since D1 is pretty suspicious, neither seems to want to move off and neither has any particularly good content on each other.
"Your vote on me is scummy" "Well, your vote on me is just as scummy" etc etc etc  doesn't feel right.

CF7's initial vote on Mitsuki is bad in the first place, he accuses her of dropping her 'strongest scum read' when Mitsuki never had any until the vote.

##Vote: CF7

Mitsuki read feels like a bust, but she's replacing anyway. Would have liked some opinions from her on PX, though.

[Raikaria]

Wow my Internet is down all afternoon and there is literally no extra content except Dorian rebutting against me.

Dorian, honestly the best way to convince me is simply to form something I see as a better case. I don't think your cases so far are very strong. I don't like how you pushed the lynch to RNG without justifying doing so strongly, because that does show apathy to the lynch. It came across to me as 'PX isn't getting lynched and I don't really care which of the other two are being lynched so I'll leave it to Lady Luck'. Hell you even said you'd let luck decide. That is apathy, and it doesn't look good.

And I thought Zakeri was gonna be back sooner than he was. -_[^.^]_-. Besides; 10pm posts are not my forte.

[Raikaria]

Now I'm probobly done for the day here. Be sure to leave me a buttload of content for me to digest all at once for when I come back! I want something to talk about @_@

[NekoNekoRex]

Running out of steam again.
Tried to read Raikaria and got townie vibes, so I wouldn't vote him. Also tried to read Skypal and I still feel mostly the same as yesterday, eg his posts are still really fluffy and I don't really like him.

Not really up to the task of reading other people, and I might have to replace anyway, so that's all I can muster for now.

[Dorian White]

I was just about to correct my previous point: ?I wasn't 'fully' convinced by him of cf7 being scum? at the time and I am still unsure but I saw him to be more likely to flip scum than zakeri*

but I am currently a bit terrified~ by the fact that I messed up again~ so FUCK!
I am still happy~ I AM STILL HAPPY! ^u^/ and no~ I am not insane* no sir~ just hopelessly addicted! ^^;;

so let me try to bring my opinions across as long as I am still able to do so*

cf7 is troublesome~ I could get around that his mitsuki vote was reactionary but I remember his play style to be reactionary anyway~ ITT nothing that fills me with confidence  here~ his current lack of a vote is another matter*

PX is still scum for his #94~ aside from his non-opinions there holds his point 4 against NNR this: ?except he's not good enough for the scum to consider recruiting*? I don't believe in scum slips but it sounds to me as if he assumes town NNR here~ as in ?not scum yet and too bad of a player to get recruited*? and if anyone use a town assumption to push a lynch like that~ then it worries me* his claim is null by the way*
I originally intended to wait for what BT has to say on that matter~ cause he gave this post out as the reason for his town read on PX~ which I really don't see but I don't think that I have the time to wait for it* ^^;

and shadoweh~ why didn't she showed up by now? I know what I said about her uncalled name claim and the crumbs* but why is she still lurking? <_< she seems to care about the game as much as raikaria dose~ only on a superficial level~ which isn't much better than what zakeri did~ even worse cause it's just pretending! >_>

not to forget dormio~ I targeted him last night but it failed~ don't know if I got role blocked or if my  mushrooms just doesn't worked on him~ however he has no idea how much fun he's missing~ nor do I* cause I have no idea what my mushrooms actually do*^^;;

cut by NNR: well~ your post shows suspicion but would you mind voting or something for that matter?^^; I mean if that's your only post today! or do you enjoy to stab the knife in my back and twist the blade? ;_;
cut again: OK~ that's much better*

that's all that came to my mind right now and I didn't had the time to reread much and post before affinity noticed that I messed up again AND taking care that I don't make it worse* 0_0
anyway~ you wouldn't let your beloved ?ordinary witch? hanging~ even if she has a bit of a mental breakdown right now~ would you? ^^;
I mean~ even the word ?hopeless? has still hope in it, right? ^^

cut by raikaria: I get to you bro as soon as I done prove reading this mess.^^;

[CF7]

CF7's initial vote on Mitsuki is bad in the first place, he accuses her of dropping her 'strongest scum read' when Mitsuki never had any until the vote.

So, if this post is not her scum read, then i don't know what is.

Well, anyway. I don't really belive PX claim, or rather that his role can be either alignment to be hones, plus there's no proof if he's telling the truth in the first place.

[Bardiche]

Being Forgotten is Suffering      
      
ActionDan:    Dormio (1)         
CF7:    Conqueror, Mitsuki, NNR (3)               
Dormio:    BT, PX (2)            
Raikaria:    Dorian (1)               
O4rfish:    Sky_Paladin (1)   
Dorian:   Raikaria (1)
Sky Paladin:   SB (1)      

With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.         

1 day and 3 hours remaining
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[Conqueror]

Can't post properly right now.

Cf7 what is weird about px claim
Also why did you pop in and disappear at the end of d1

Shadowed why are you deliberately ignoring the thread?

[Conqueror]

Also rail aria can't logic 101. Dorian keeping his vote where it was would have been apathy.  Moving votes to an actual lynch target is proactive.

[BT]

Raaailkaria. For those not sure, I'm pretty sure Raikaria is meta-town at this point. Very purposeful, unrestricted posting. Probably not the best words I can use here but I'll roll with it.

I also don't feel like voting Sky today anymore, but hey, I don't get your explanation. You said Conq's point of lynching lurkers to counteract the scum recruiter helped in having the IDEA! to lynch Zak, but you voted Zak in the same post where you found out the real interpretation of Conq's post. So...?

What I meant by "articulating suspicions well" is that I can usually expect Dormio to churn out a case on anyone he wants to push for a lynch. Whatever, his stances on Rai and PX are still pretty unconvincing (does he care?) and so is the Dan case - fixation on stuff that really isn't that bad. If you want to talk about weird deadline conduct you have CF7 and Oarfish to look at but the best that got was a short mention of sheeping the CF7 case.

Oarfish's post is pretty bad - I feel like his WIFOM "I think I would have done otherwise as scum" blurb is out of place and possible evidence of newbscum, and I don't like how he discredits Sky's vote on him by pointing out irrelevant post structures. So what if he ISO'd other people before addressing you, hmm?

CF7's content is bad (carryover and sheep?) and it's short-sighted of him to think people are townreading PX because of his claim. I agreed with parts of Conq's case and how townreading the Shadoweh wagon was pretty arbitrary? I'll have to reread him again to see if I want to change wagons. I'll have to make sure I'm okay enough with NNR and Mitsuki before then. Shadoweh is lurking but I don't know.

I actually really want to feel bad about Dormio but at the same time I don't like PX and Dormio was pretty much immediately on that shit he pulled D1, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend. so I'm kinda torn on him.

And if Dormio really is scum you can bet that I'll be pushing this.

Responses...

Dan: That's not really it, I'm just playing it safe and having the information out here because the one behind the action really loses nothing from sharing as far as I'm aware.

Dorian: I couldn't really explain the PX gutread on the fly back then, but in hindsight it probably has to do with what Conq tried saying about PX's playstyle as scum - he can usually find strong opinions at the start of the game? And #94's second half felt like it didn't come from scum trying to find fake content.

[O4rfish]

Oarfish's post is pretty bad - I feel like his WIFOM "I think I would have done otherwise as scum" blurb is out of place and possible evidence of newbscum, and I don't like how he discredits Sky's vote on him by pointing out irrelevant post structures. So what if he ISO'd other people before addressing you, hmm?

"I didn't have enough time to decide whether to actually vote PX or not, although I think if I were his buddy I would have made up a reason to vote Zak."
in response to Skypal saying it was suspicious how I didn't vote my scumbuddy PX when he was vote tied with Zak. I don't think you can call my post WIFOM without also calling his post that.

He ISOed other people, then voted me without ISOing me even though I didn't have that many posts. Not irrelevant.

Hey BT, you want some buzzword action? How's that rolefishing working out for you?

[BT]

Opinions on current wagons and vote, now. Then:

Sky said you didn't vote PX because he was your scumbuddy? Where?

Who cares what he ISO'd and what he didn't? I'm not even sure you're right about that and I'm not going to check because it's pointless. Is there something wrong with Sky's opinions?

(What part of "it's not a big deal for that person" did you not understand?)

[ActionDan]

@bt:

today was supposed to be a nice relaxing day.

knowing that someone can visit you during twilight is scary.  Until further notice, I am supposing that since no one has claimed to be the twilight visitor, they were actually scum.