Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Superb)

[Serela]

So, me and Dorian have been discussing this for awhile, and we've come to a decision. It's time to come out of the closet.

We're in love! BT touched us N0 and we have seen the light. Me and Dorian know eachother to be town through mod confirmation, and have a fab QT together.

But, you say, that doesn't make you confirmed town to everyone else! You could be a town/scum survivor pair now! But alas, it cannot be; the game would be in Lylo right now as a mislynch and nightkill would put the game at 2v2, where we would have control of the lynch. If we were an anti-town pair, it'd be lylo right now. And since we're town, it'd be dumb if we were lying, because calling people modconfirmed town when they're not is bad. Apart from that, if you need more proof we're totally lovers, I've been basically COMPLETELY IGNORING Dorian in-thread for the entire game, up to excluding him from most of my posts where I touch on my feelings about everyone in the game. I also talked about how I was planning quicklynches in my scum qt (Dorian, sadly, did not want to quicklynch :C And obviously it's not a scum qt or it'd be lylo etc)

After I realized we're basically confirmed town after the claim and that SkyPal would almost certainly make the same lylo lynch decision as us tomorrow (if the game isn't over today), I figured there's not much point in keeping it a secret anymore, whether or not I'm actually in any danger today.

...so yeah!

[Dorian White]

For one, I stand behind explaining reasonings for town reads being anti town.

For another, I posted that before I passed out into a depression sleep for about 16 hours.

So bite me~ (wait, I might like that... hmmm)

I'm sorry Lucy, but I had to push that point, if you block further then you just end up like Schezo.

##Unvote
for now

And sorry again, but it seems that my heart is already claimed by someone else.^^;

[Lexicat]

I'll take that as you confirming her claim, Dorian, and I'll adjust appropiately.

Vote: Moridin

[Affinity]

wow, my head hurts.

A question to Serela/Dorian: you say mod-confirmed, but do you mean that the mod explicitly confirmed that both of you are TOWN, regardless of roles and stuff?  Because you said we could mistake you guys as scum survivor/town, which should not be the case if the above is true (the town part of the pair would deny it).  And it's not impossible if there's only one scum left? 

[Serela]

Yes, the mod confirmed that the other is town to each of us.

I don't mean scum survivor/town, I meant scum/town survivor pair. Like a joint third party? If town and scum were joined and alignment confirmed otherwise the town would obviously immediately out the scum, and it'd certainly be possible for us to be a town/scum itp pair lying about being town otherwise. That'd be an interesting kind of cop, actually... but I digress.

[WHMZakeri]

Yo, it's 1:30 isn't it?
It's time for a snack, Isn't it?

Lexicat: (1) Serela
Moridin: (1) Lexicat

Not voting: Dorian, Affinity, Moridin, Sky_Paladin
Four votes needed to Lynch
You have 68.5 hours

[Dorian White]

Yes, ?explicitly confirmed TOWN? that's what the PM said that I got at the end of night 0. And about the ?scum survivor/town? part, it's needless to say that BT was the cause of this, by picking two random player? Which means random alignment.
I mean you got only our word that we are both town.^^;

Greez Serela, can you at least tell me before you cut me.

[Moridin]

Hmm.

BT picked the two people right? What would have happened if he picked a MAFIA/TOWN pair? Would you have become a third party? Would he have simply not confirmed either of you as TOWN? Would he tell lie and tell you that the other was TOWN?

Remember the type of person this mod is
https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1127273.html#msg1127273

Apart from that, if you need more proof we're totally lovers, I've been basically COMPLETELY IGNORING Dorian in-thread for the entire game, up to excluding him from most of my posts where I touch on my feelings about everyone in the game. I also talked about how I was planning quicklynches in my scum qt (Dorian, sadly, did not want to quicklynch :C And obviously it's not a scum qt or it'd be lylo etc)

Completely ignoring your partner and not discussing your feelings? That sounds more like you are married rather than lovers. :p

[Lexicat]

We have 2 dead scum. That means this is almost impossible to be a scum/scum gambit. I'm willing to believe they're both mod confirmed town and if it turns out that one of them is scum and the other is town, and they misunderstood their role, there's not a lot I can do about that.

So basically, I know I'm town, Serela and Dorian are town, Sky Paladin is pretty fucking town, so that just leaves Moridin and Affinity?

And I'm pretty confident in my affinity town read, but I could be wrong

So really there's only one option? The same option I voted for yesterday? How about that shit!

[Sky_Paladin]

Moridin

So Schezo was TOWN after all?

Why the question mark?

Does anyone have any real abilities?

Come here little fish~ 
But I suppose this is a relevant topic for today.  With no 'real' town power roles flipped, it might be time for a mass claim and pooling of town's info.  Do not actually claim.  Just vote yes/no for mass claim.  Obviously I am most interested in Lexi and Moridin's claim at this point because they are most likely to be scum. 
My vote is for claim. 

I kind of assumed Schezo was MAFIA so I have not really been paying too much attention to the thread, though I have been reading it and stuff.

When and why did you assume this?  It looks like your vote appeared mid/late day 3, so reality doesn't reflect this excuse.  Please clarify further. 

Affinity - He pushed and lynched two players who ended up being MAFIA so I thought he was definitely TOWN.

Why past tense?  Do you no longer think he is town?  Why? 

Serala - Maybe MAFIA?
Dorian - Maybe MAFIA? Nobody else seems to think so though. I think he's the one that's been throwing doubt on Affinity's TOWN-ness so that might be a thing

Why were those two 'maybe mafia' (before their claim)? 

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Serela

Well, it was Dan SkyPal or Dorian. I wasn't expecting Dan though.

Why not Affinity?  Why Dan at all?  Dan is a completely bizarre night kill because his actions are random, unaccountable, and he was the best mislynch for scum to line up in LYLO.  A Dan kill is indicative of a player not aware of the Shrine Maiden meta, which implicates Moridin. 

As before, he's still only a lynch option because of PoE; he hasn't done anything quite enough to give him a soft townclear, and most of the other players are townier than him.

He's scummy because his posts are devoid of content and he did absolutely nothing useful with his night talk ability.  As far as I can recall, he just wagon hopped and urged for a Schezo lynch.  If Schezo had put up an iota of effort, it probably would have been Moridin's head on a pike yesterday. 

Dorian

For someone who thought that Schezo was town were you surprisingly unconcerned about his impending lynch. Can you explain that?

Pretty much this (re: Lexi). 

Lexi

Also, in a town of SkyPaladin being a fanatic, and the context of Schezo being overly mysterious about his role yesterday, what % chance do you think I have of saving him?

Actually really high.  I was begging you to post something justify your many random town reads/scum reads for the last two days.  But when you say stuff like this - 'I don't have to explain my actions, but I'll remind you I'm not that used to 72 hour days' - what reason do we have to believe you would ever act to help another person? 

You don't know jack about my personal life, so this is a fucking dumb thing to say.

Ahahaahahahhahahaa

OK. 

Moridin has a trail of scummy posts and while he is scummy because of content than Lexi is, Lexi's is more scummy than Moridin because of her lack of content/general hostility/spirit of petulance/apparent desire for townies to be lynched/many positive interactions with flipped scum. 

I want to play a game. 

Moridin, why should we lynch Lexi instead of you? 
Lexi, why should we lynch Moridin instead of you? 

[Sky_Paladin]

A Dan kill is indicative of a player not aware of the Shrine Maiden meta, which implicates Moridin. 

I could also consider that Dan may also have died if he was too close to the target, or scum had reason to believe he was roled, or scum believed BT may have attached Dan to somebody to get a double kill. 

[Lexicat]

Because I'm town, fuck you your question is bad?

I've spent this entire game not caring about building town cred that I would NEED TO BUILD if I was planning on bussing two of my partners into the ground and running this game solo. Then,  I (as hypotehtical scum) decide to kill people who have been calling me town this whole game instead of the people who are wavering on me.

That's how I setup for an endgame? Please.

[Lexicat]

I'm also laughing at apparent desire for townies to be lynched.

I'd like to point out that so far at end of day vote counts, I am 2-0 with a third potential up in the air depending on what Moridin flips (hint: It's gonna be scum unless Affinity is awesome).

So maybe you should try pinning "wanting to lynch town" onto someone who doesn't have a perfect lynch record so far, yeah?

[Lexicat]

And for the love of god please stop that quote stripping bullshit. I don't read it .

[Dorian White]

BT picked the two people right? ...

Yes, that most likely the case. But any ?what if? question should you address at the mod, cause we have no idea how that would turn out.

Also

Dorian - Maybe MAFIA? Nobody else seems to think so though. I think he's the one that's been throwing doubt on Affinity's TOWN-ness so that might be a thing

I give you that you are unfamiliar with Affinitys meta, cause that guy don't need any help with ?boiling up paranoia?. The fact that he's still alive over Dan is prove enough.

@Lucy: Is it really that clear?

@Sky: Dan isn't the ?best mislynch for scum? he may be the best help for scum to mislynch but that's mostly the same. Aware of the Shrine Maiden meta or not, the question is why Dan over Affinity?

[Lexicat]

It's really that clear.

[Serela]

I've spent this entire game not caring about building town cred

Which is why you're up for a lynch, with how you voted on both scum wagons if you'd actually done a little of that there probably wouldn't be a wagon on you whilst Moridin is still around.

Ugh, I changed my mind, I think Moridin is it. If that's wrong LLD can still get lynched tomorrow, so it's not a big deal. I probably wouldn't be swapping my votes between them like this if it actually mattered what order we lynch them in, but it really shouldn't; if one of them is scum the game has pretty much been won for quite awhile, considering me and Dorian's lovers position eliminating the Serela mislynch and Affinity becoming an unviable mislynch.

##Unvote ##Vote Moridin

A Dan kill is indicative of a player not aware of the Shrine Maiden meta, which implicates Moridin. 

While I can kind of see where you're coming from, Affinity was still kinda sorta maybe mislynch material and I'm sorry but to be honest I don't view you as high on scum's NK list (unless lld was scum I suppose, since a vote is still a powerful in lategame) Gaming the nks isn't usually a very smart move. But, well, when I think about it, I guess I kinda agree with you here? :T I already want to lynch Moridin anyway though, so.

[Serela]

When you consider the lovers are effectively masons, due to the fact that an extra death with these numbers does NOT result in lylo coming any earlier (barring a no-lynch, which is unlikely to occur), they're actually a fairly strong town power in this game.

I'm reminded to be incredibly amused that Schezo was another victim of the Mod-Announced Conditional Functional Vanilla role :V Isn't it sad Shadoweh

[Serela]

Although the setup would have been really... interesting if a town/scum pairing occurred.

[Affinity]

Was actually quite suspicious of the Serela/Dorian claim. I can see wanting to get the game over and done with but the timing of it is way off I feel. 

As town it would have been a better idea to hold onto it and claim only if any of you guys were under serious threat of a lynch.  If we lynched incorrectly otherwise and you guys had made it to the 4P MyLO (no harm trying), then we would have a bigger chance to win (50+% chance if no lynch and so on).  The day is also kinda robbed of its tension due to the claim, not to much discuss about anymore almost.  I'll trust in the mod for now though.

Obviously, I've no qualms about lynching moridin over Sky and LLD, even immediately. If the game drags on then it will be quite difficult, so...

Moridin, do you have any last words on who you think is scum and stuff?   Any claim on top of the nightalk thing?

[Serela]

We decided it didn't matter because whether we live or we die tonight, Moridin/LLD were almost certainly the lynches for today/tomorrow, in whichever order. So, it wouldn't make a difference whether we died tonight or SkyPal died tonight. Yeah, it'd be cooler to live to the end ourselves, but that brings up the next point-

Claiming right away makes today fairly easy and painless. I don't feel like defending myself and also making other people have to deal with thinking about whether I'm scum or not, when I can just be confirmed town instead. Maybe we can actually do a quicklynch this time, too?!

Of course, I do want to at least give Moridin a chance to say something.

[Sky_Paladin]

I do not trust masons claim at all; nothing in BTs flip suggests they get confirmed to each other.
I assume they both claimed town to each other and decided to make it up that they were mason pair to each other.

As I happens I think they are both probably town anyway so nm.

I asked for a vote on claims, nobody read it of course.

I want claims. I suggest this order:
Lexi
Moridin
Sky or Affinity, buddies can pick.
Dorian/Serela.

ATM still want to lynch Lexi because she is only defending, not making a case on Moridin, and her defense is all WIFOM and AtE ie empty content blathering and time wasting.

Waiting in Moridin to say something incriminating.

I've seen a couple of people point fingers at affinity but I don't know why. Somebody want to elaborate on a case there?

[Sky_Paladin]

Re buddies:  if one if them is scum then the other is complicit in going for a survivor type victory. Aka we are in LYLO right now.

@mod - is it currently *ylo?

[Serela]

I do not trust masons claim at all; nothing in BTs flip suggests they get confirmed to each other.
I assume they both claimed town to each other and decided to make it up that they were mason pair to each other.

Fakeclaiming that we're modconfirmed town to eachother would be a really lame thing to do.

I mean I guess I could understand us doing it if Dorian was like SUPER ZETA SURE I was town, to avoid me getting lynched. :T I can't blame you for thinking of the possibility. But just outright assuming we must have lied and that it can't be what actually happened is kind of lame of you, too.

It's not like BT flipped a detailed rolepm where you can expect to fully understand the function of his role.

Anyway it's not a big deal I guess since you still think we're town and you'll see postgame.

Claiming probably got forgotten due to everything that happened inbetween. Me and Dorian are both vanilla town. Moridin needs to fullclaim for obvious reasons, even if it's just clarifying "I'm just insomniac guys!" and LLD is most likely getting driven up a wall tomorrow so she might as well get it out of the way (she isn't getting nightkilled due to such if she claims anything short of "after d4 lynch I become modconfirmed town" and any info role results would be redundant in 3~4p lylo) and then after them Sky/Affinity just for the sake of completeness.

I kind of expect everyone to claim vanilla (apart from moridin for obvious reasons) but yeah we should get claims over and done with.

re:Affinity, he was a mild scum read on people but it kind of dissolved for everyone somewhere around d3? I don't think anyone thinks him to be not-town anymore. I could be wrong though? I honestly haven't paid too much attention to who has still has uncertain reads on affinity, but I don't think anyone particularly finds him scummy anymore at the least.

And, yeah, I already said that if we weren't town/town we'd be in lylo right now, meaning that we can't be. It doesn't hurt to ask the mod but if he wasn't going to announce lylo I imagine it'd be in the rules, since that would be extremely unusual and something everyone would be like "dude wtf?" about postgame if it happened.

[Sky_Paladin]

Which part of "claim in this order" did you not understand. We can't catch scum in fake claims if town outs themselves up front for no reason.

Lexi claims. Moridin claims. Then affinity or Sky claims. Then you two amend your claim if you faked vanilla sigh.

[Affinity]

Depends on whether people want to claim.  I agree moridin has to and should definitely go first though.

Schezo suspected me for meta reasons D3 and that's it I guess.

Claiming should be agreed on by town as a whole you have no right to call the shots Sky.

[Sky_Paladin]

"I mean I guess I could understand us doing it if Dorian was like SUPER ZETA SURE I was town, to avoid me getting lynched. :T I can't blame you for thinking of the possibility. But just outright assuming we must have lied and that it can't be what actually happened is kind of lame of you, too."

I'm kind of a jerk about secret neighborhood quicktipics that are always assured to be "basically masons" and then have a scum in them.  So if either of you are lying about being confirmed, consider that whichever one if you suggested it is almost certainly scum!Serela, because I already town cleared Dorian.  So please check your hearts and be sure this is legit and understand why it's too good to be true. 

Cut
Affinity I asked nicely and was ignored. Im now calling the shots because I'm generally perceived as town whereas apparently you are not.
We already have a partial claim from Moridin. Therefore, Lexi claims first.

[Lexicat]

Yeah I'm not claiming unless Dorian asks for it.

[Affinity]

Affinity I asked nicely and was ignored. Im now calling the shots because I'm generally perceived as town whereas apparently you are not

More for your verbosity than any soundness on your part.  I'm not for the idea.

[Sky_Paladin]

Actually we have three claims plus my vote for claims, so the only people who are against claiming are Lexi and Affinity.  Yes?