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Sky_Paladin

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Three)
« Reply #660 on: September 14, 2014, 06:03:35 AM »
Hi Affinity,

I feel like I have responded to other people's questions and points and nobody is actually asking me any questions/discussing my cases so it's frustrating. 

I'm looking at your post now.  Which is a pointer to your Day 2 case and Prims Day 2 case, which I'll repost here:

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I can actually get behind your Schezo vote after some (further reading).  Thought him town at first for his long Rai vote, but then he voted for Rai as such:

"but Raikaria is scum though.  He has nothing to say about the entire game posting so lets go back to rvs."

which is completely uninspiring and not something anyone can get behind (compare to BT, he doesn't even chip into his case!).  It's very isolated, and it's not even true after midway through the game when Rai actually says a lot of things (and Schezo doesn't follow up).  He also often says suspects ActionDan and even votes him, but there's nothing saying why Raikaria is scummier than ActionDan all day.

Lastly, Raikaria's move away from Schezo is really awkward.  In this post he actually doesn't talk about how Schezo was getting better at all, only saying how other scumspects like Sky and people got 'far worse'.  He even goes to say that he would never move back to Schezo unless Sky and LLD do great things.  What I said here yesterday applies to Schezo as well, and Rai as flipped scum doesn't bode well for him.

Schezo's D2 is also pretty waffly and going after the easy guy mirodin (with a tinge of huhwhat), so yeah, actually I'm all for lynching Schezo as well!

And Prims
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Schezo claimed his case on Raikaria was a good case but switched to Dan right as pressure on Raikaria was mounting, never explained this later. Despite being around at deadline there's no effort from him to get me to vote Raikaria when it really matters because he has no TOWN MOTIVATION or MOTIVATION in general because scum aren't MOTIVATED to lynch their scumbuddy.

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I am willing to lynch Schezo because the weight of opinion seems to be he is scum; and when he was at L-1 he came on and didn't claim/defend.  His presence day 3 has been largely nonexistent aside from his *clap clap* thing.  I'm seeing no effort from him - however I'm seeing this from a lot of players so I can't really use this as a discriminating factor. 

I think that Lexi is more likely to be scum because of her play, actions, and interactions.  I feel the case is more compelling.  However I'll vote Schezo if there's no other better cases around - if people aren't agreeing with my Lexi case today, I'll go for Schezo, because the story of "And then all the scums died because they gave up" is just as likely as "the last scum waited for wagons to emerge and just hopped on them". 

I haven't really read Moridin/Schezo but Moridin's day 2/night 2/day 3 play is absolutely awful.  It's just that your case against Moridin is on one point, "Here you said you did not want to vote Schezo, let alone quicklynch.  In your next post, you suddenly say that you do here, after I said I would", and there's about four of those points against Lexi.  That's why I think she's more scummy. 

Or if we just want to clean house on players who are afk/deadweights, I'm okay with that too.  Dan I'm looking at you. 
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Sky_Paladin

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Three)
« Reply #661 on: September 14, 2014, 06:11:43 AM »
"It's fair play for scum to go all out a town counterwagon to secure a town mislynch over a scum flip."

Actually, in Medaka Box mafia day 1 lynch Zak/Bard/CF7 did all pile on to the same wagon, and we see Bard and CF7 both on ActionDan day 1.  That'd be consistent with CF7 or Serela (or me also to be fair) scum this game. 

However whenever I've been scum, I'm pretty sure all my buddies haven't been on the same wagon (when there's more than two of us). 

I just want to see a case that doesn't rely entirely on wagon analysis because it's easy to fall into wifom territory.  Talking about what Moridin did is a big step in the right direction IMO. 

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Serela
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I do think she should be lynched in lylo over Affinity if it comes to that. I'm not sure whether I'd lynch her or Moridin first if Schezo flips town.

Please talk more about this and explain why you think it. 
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Affinity

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Three)
« Reply #662 on: September 14, 2014, 06:30:52 AM »
##Unvote

Will be back 8 hours later.  If Schezo doesn't reply then I'd gladly move onto him again sigh.

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Three)
« Reply #663 on: September 14, 2014, 06:33:51 AM »
Or Moridin.

Lexicat

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Three)
« Reply #664 on: September 14, 2014, 06:49:22 AM »
Moridin and Serela are the only good lynches today. Third outside option is Affinity.

Sky_Paladin

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Three)
« Reply #665 on: September 14, 2014, 07:22:54 AM »
Look we have a bunch of afk players who we have to kill our way through and blindly hope that one of them is scum. 

Dorian and Affinity, looks like it's you and me only here, paying attention to the game.  Everybody else is afk, doing their own thing, or not playing to win.  I think we're wasting our time hoping anything of value will come out of the other players, so let's you and me work it out since it's likely one of us will get killed overnight. 

I think Schezo is a reasonable pick for last scum given that he has been around and not posted.  I think Lexi is a reasonable pick for last scum because she says dumb stuff and gets upset when you call her out for her bullshit, plus her string of super scummy posts day 2.  I don't know about Moridin or Serela. 

I think the three of us can agree on a Schezo lynch even though Lexi is telling us Schezo is town because she knows in advance he'll flip green (because she's scum, I'll wager), we have to break a few eggs to make a pizza or something. 

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Cause  Schezo is town? lol.

Seems a good reason not to vote him.

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I don't feel any need to explain why he's town? Explaining town reads is anti-town.

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Moridin and Serela are the only good lynches today. Third outside option is Affinity.

We're probably lynching Schezo tbh so if you think he is town, but don't want to say why, maybe you could outline a case on one of the many players you've picked as scum in the last few days. 
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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Three)
« Reply #666 on: September 14, 2014, 09:11:00 AM »
Geez, can't we just lynch Schezo already? 

The game could have been over yesterday if you guys didn't get cold feet about it.

@moridin:

Wait a minute.  Here you said you did not want to vote Schezo, let alone quicklynch.  In your next post, you suddenly say that you do here, after I said I would.  What's up with that?!  What made you suddenly think Schezo is town, and what made you not willing to listen to what he had to say?  Explain yourself

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Not going to vote for Schezo right now. Probably no reason to quick lynch him right?
I thought he was MAFIA but wanted to give him a a chance to speak. In between my first and second posts he had that chance.

Getting too paranoid man.

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Three)
« Reply #667 on: September 14, 2014, 12:29:20 PM »
Nothing from Schezo and he has been around quite recently.  Therefore I'm content to put him away for good. 

I'd a million times prefer a lynch on Lexi but oh well.  I may not be awake when phase times out so voting now. 

##Unvote
##vote Schezo


I'm not feeling this lynch because I could see town!Schezo doing a table flip because his role wasn't good enough.  I'm pretty annoyed because if he was scum he basically afk'd himself to death when there was a completely viable counterwagon on Moridin.  And any scum worth their salt could have got a convincing case on pretty much half the players here if they wanted to. 

I'm sure Lexi is scum but even if I had a confirm guilty I couldn't convince you guys to lynch a girl.  Sheesh. 
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Dorian White

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Three)
« Reply #668 on: September 14, 2014, 01:36:59 PM »
@Dorian: Eh that's pretty true.  I think I'll provide a reason though. 

Serela was 'take it or leave it' on Schezo, saying that he thought Schezo's press on Rai was sort of town despite his D2.  After I posted reasons to vote Schezo, Serela agrees and goes 180 degrees on Schezo and calls for a quick-lynch, without addressing how his initial impressions changed.  Well I did support it too at first, but then even when Schezo offers to post reasons on Serela later in the day instead, Serela totally ignores it and still calls for a quicklynch. 

It kinda has an opportunistic feel to it, and his eagerness to harp on Schezo's lackluster play D3 over and over again is disconcerting.
I'm not sure on that, sounds more like the usual Serela waffle and the fact that Schezo managed to lure Serela into his van on the Moridin wagon with the promise of candy doesn't makes it a 180? turn. And about the Schenzos offers to post a Serela case, ?Promising future content is cheep talk.? wasn't that his own words?
Honestly, I think he's just waiting till you dig out a case for him.

@Sky: I think that Lucys play style got to it's limits here, cause she got a problem that she can't  solve with it and I'm not talking about that it leaves her open for you to read any kind of intent into her post that you want to see. No, her problem at the moment is that she can't convince anyone of her preferred lynch who doesn't comes to the conclusion on his own.

@Lucy: I read Schenzos content, looked into his interaction with flipped scum and now I'm sure enough that he's scum that only his flip could convince me of the opposite.
So, what does your MS good play book suggest to convince a townie, who you think is wrong but also a stubborn jerk about his reads?
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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Three)
« Reply #669 on: September 14, 2014, 05:42:02 PM »
Oh well whatever.

##Vote: Schezo

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Three)
« Reply #670 on: September 14, 2014, 05:49:50 PM »
Now we have to wait for the mod to give us the flip.
Any last words before it comes to it, Schezo?
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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Three)
« Reply #671 on: September 14, 2014, 06:31:14 PM »
Your love fortune is ...
...You'll be Best of Friends!

Schezo: (5)  Serela, Moridin84, Dorian, Sky_Paladin, Affinity [Lynched]
Moridin84: (2) ActionDan, Lexicat,
Affinity: (1) Schezo

Schezo has been lynched
He was Radical Monkey, a member of the town
He had no special powers.

He used to be Monkey, a member of the town
Who used to have the power to receive a public promotion once people would follow his rhythmic lead three times.

You have until Tomorrow; September 15th, at 3:00 P.M. EST to turn in any and all actions you may have.
The day may start later for Mod convenience, but for your safety, please have all actions in before that time frame.

Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Night Three)
« Reply #672 on: September 15, 2014, 07:32:34 PM »
You wake up to find that missing the last beat has broken the P-Heart. You also find ActionDan's heart was broken. With a Knife.
ActionDan was killed, He was Karate Joe, A Member of the Town
He had no special abilities.

There are Six people still alive, and so it will take 4 votes to reach majority.
You have 72 hours

Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Night Three)
« Reply #673 on: September 15, 2014, 07:46:02 PM »
Oh yeah, I won't be around when the day starts so I should probably post now.

So Schezo was TOWN after all? Kind of unexpected. I suppose that he got pissed out when he learned the promotion thing was actually a huge troll. Does anyone have any real abilities? The only I've seen so far was BT and his lovers role. And who knows whether that would have ended up being a real thing.

I kind of assumed Schezo was MAFIA so I have not really been paying too much attention to the thread, though I have been reading it and stuff.

Affinity - He pushed and lynched two players who ended up being MAFIA so I thought he was definitely TOWN.
Sky_Paladin - Must be TOWN. He wouldn't be pushing Lexicat so forcefully if he was MAFIA. Too risky
Lexicat - I have no idea. Maybe Sky isn't crazy?
Serala - Maybe MAFIA?
Dorian - Maybe MAFIA? Nobody else seems to think so though. I think he's the one that's been throwing doubt on Affinity's TOWN-ness so that might be a thing
ActionDan - This guy has been getting a free run this entire time. Day 1 might have been sometime of a gambit, Whoever got lynched, the other would get a lost of townie points due to being the counter wagon.And when I was the counter-wagon, he was  voting for me, along with Just and Lexicat.

Ninja'd by the Mod.

I thought "daybreak" was a few hours away still. This makes my ActionDan thing a total wash...


Serela

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #674 on: September 15, 2014, 07:50:31 PM »
Well, it was Dan SkyPal or Dorian. I wasn't expecting Dan though.

##Vote Moridin

Affinity quickhammer (given that discussion actually -had- started to occur towards the end of the day, even if it was still awkward) doesn't feel like a scum move because it'd draw a little extra scrutiny, and he certainly wasn't going to be the one lynched, so it wasn't necessary for scum!Affinity. From there it's LLD or Moridin. Actually, I'm not entirely sure why I voted moridin off the bat, because I'm not sure whether I'd rather lynch him or LLD? Definitely don't want to lynch anyone else, though. Mmn. I suppose I'll wait to see the general opinions and whatever, now that the Schezo stuff is out of the way.

##unvote

cut by moridin attempting to nightpost and being too late rofl, I've practically forgotten he's insomniac after all he did n3 was make a joke
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Serela

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #675 on: September 15, 2014, 08:05:01 PM »
When I reread over Moridin it makes me want to think he's town :/ I recall earlier in the game when I was rereading everything, I did a quote from him and said "yeah moridin is probably town" or something along those lines, and my reread really makes me want to do that kind of thing again. As before, he's still only a lynch option because of PoE; he hasn't done anything quite enough to give him a soft townclear, and most of the other players are townier than him.

##Vote LLD

I'm not sure if it's even worth trying to type up a case on her because she's hardly existed. Her posts are either empty or easy comments that are null when it comes to trying to read her alignment. Being on scum wagons helped her look town but it's not out of the question she bussed. Ugh, now that I think about it, she'd have had to hard bus her scumbuddies almost as hard as Affinity? Her votes both came much later in the wagon than Affinity's, though, and her posts are empty wheras Affinity actually has good play with original opinions and etc to support that he's town.
<mauvecow> see this is how evil works in reality, it just wears you down with bureaucracy until you don't care anymore

Dorian White

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #676 on: September 15, 2014, 08:16:29 PM »
So, Schezo promised us content and lurked in the hope his wagon would go away? Why didn't he claimed scum to begin with, that would have saved us quite some time at least.^^;;

Speaking of unexpected town flips.

##Vote: Lexicat

For someone who thought that Schezo was town were you surprisingly unconcerned about his impending lynch. Can you explain that?
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Serela

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #677 on: September 15, 2014, 08:20:57 PM »
Looks like SkyPal is gonna get that LLD lynch he wanted!
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Lexicat

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #678 on: September 15, 2014, 08:22:21 PM »
I don't have to explain my actions, but I'll remind you I'm not that used to 72 hour days.

Lexicat

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #679 on: September 15, 2014, 08:22:41 PM »
Looks like SkyPal is gonna get that LLD lynch he wanted!

Vote: Serela

Lexicat

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #680 on: September 15, 2014, 08:23:29 PM »
Like if that post doesn't result in a Serela lynch, I am happy to wash my hands of this game.

Lexicat

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #681 on: September 15, 2014, 08:27:04 PM »
So, Schezo promised us content and lurked in the hope his wagon would go away? Why didn't he claimed scum to begin with, that would have saved us quite some time at least.^^;;

Speaking of unexpected town flips.

##Vote: Lexicat

For someone who thought that Schezo was town were you surprisingly unconcerned about his impending lynch. Can you explain that?

Also, in a town of SkyPaladin being a fanatic, and the context of Schezo being overly mysterious about his role yesterday, what % chance do you think I have of saving him?

Cause you know I'll save townies from being lynched. I did it for ActionDan on Day 1 to get the Rakaria lynch.

Serela

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #682 on: September 15, 2014, 08:31:31 PM »
SkyPal has been gunning hard on you being scum since d2, and now if he votes you (which I'd assume he would) you'd end up at l-1 without enough votes for anyone else to get lynched unless Dorian changed his mind, so I think it's a pretty fair thing to say?

Honestly I think your playstyle of "I'm not going to justify any of my opinions" is crazy scummy and doesn't work. It's basically equivalent to "I'm not going to play the game", and I don't know why everyone just accepts it. Not explaining townreads? I totally understand that. Not explaining townreads when the person in question is about to get lynched? Now that's just playing against your wincon. Not explaining your SCUMREADS? You're not encouraging anyone else to actually vote your scum reads then. And all of that combined ends up with there being nothing to actually support that you're town, because you're almost like a chicago voter.

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what % chance do you think I have of saving him?
The moridin wagon actually started getting support late d3 and I myself commented that I kinda considered joining it too, which would have been enough to swing the wagons from Schezo to Moridin. If you'd actually had reasons for Schezo being town that people considered decent, Moridin might have been yesterday's lynch; but you didn't try to stop Schezo's lynch past "Eh I think he's town".

<mauvecow> see this is how evil works in reality, it just wears you down with bureaucracy until you don't care anymore

Lexicat

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #683 on: September 15, 2014, 08:36:40 PM »
yeah you're scum.

Dorian White

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #684 on: September 15, 2014, 08:40:22 PM »
Also, in a town of SkyPaladin being a fanatic, and the context of Schezo being overly mysterious about his role yesterday, what % chance do you think I have of saving him?

Cause you know I'll save townies from being lynched. I did it for ActionDan on Day 1 to get the Rakaria lynch.
Excuses, the lynch required five votes, not just Skys. You could have tried to convince Serela or Moridin or if you think they are likely scum then Affinity or me.
Fact is, you didn't even tried, and don't tell you didn't had enough time to do so. You had more than enough.
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Dorian White

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #685 on: September 15, 2014, 08:45:54 PM »
*and don't tell me, you didn't  ...
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Lexicat

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #686 on: September 15, 2014, 08:47:03 PM »
Excuses, the lynch required five votes, not just Skys. You could have tried to convince Serela or Moridin or if you think they are likely scum then Affinity or me.
Fact is, you didn't even tried, and don't tell you didn't had enough time to do so. You had more than enough.

You don't know jack about my personal life, so this is a fucking dumb thing to say.

Regardless,  you should be looking at Serela's post today and realizing what you need to do.

Dorian White

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #687 on: September 15, 2014, 09:25:36 PM »
It may be the case that I don't know about your ?personal life? but I can tell that someone who has time to write this could have also said something to his defense and if explaining your town reads is anti-town, then how anti-town is it to let a mislynch pass?
By the way, your AtE has been noticed.
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Dorian White

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #688 on: September 15, 2014, 09:57:15 PM »
Every day I spend my time ~ Thinkin' about wine, feelin' like a nine
Waitin' here for you, to show me the sign ~
That I can understand ~ Yes I am. ~

In the nights between the hours ~ Golden towers, bloody flowers ~
Throw your reads in to the air ~ I don't think that I ever know ~
There I go ~
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Lexicat

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #689 on: September 15, 2014, 10:06:16 PM »
It may be the case that I don't know about your ?personal life? but I can tell that someone who has time to write this could have also said something to his defense and if explaining your town reads is anti-town, then how anti-town is it to let a mislynch pass?
By the way, your AtE has been noticed.

For one, I stand behind explaining reasonings for town reads being anti town.

For another, I posted that before I passed out into a depression sleep for about 16 hours.

So bite me~ (wait, I might like that... hmmm)