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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #360 on: September 08, 2014, 02:27:55 PM »
bard's still scum btw and his post today just looks like a holdover from day 1 + an "i agree" which doesn't really cut it when there are multiple interactions with raikaria that paint me in a townie light. i don't think he even at least tried to re-read me or the game in general.

Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #361 on: September 08, 2014, 02:30:40 PM »
skypal is town tbh

think i'm about ready to clock out of this game actually

Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #362 on: September 08, 2014, 02:35:24 PM »
finally the way schezo tries to denounce possible reasons for me being town but doesn't really commit to anything thing there is hella weasely
also expect more from him now but he's not delivering unless he's going to argue that d2 doesn't matter either

dunno why i'm twitterposting instead of just writing a comprehensive one later but that's life

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #363 on: September 08, 2014, 02:43:10 PM »
The two people voting for huhwhat now are kinda horrible; they aren't even considering anyone else! 

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #364 on: September 08, 2014, 03:24:42 PM »
Bard's copious amount of reasons for voting huhwhat D1 had almost nil effect on the game at all, since he's now sheeping CF7 and voting him for shadows of a bus.  He often questioned people like CF7, but not once did he use the responses to inform his opinions on the playerbase at all.  Also, he dots his posts with minor suspicions of Raikaria, but all they result in is "If this behaviour keeps up Day 2, I would lynch it.", much like mioridin's nightpost confession.

The only time Bard really sat down to provide concrete opinions on people other than huhwhat and Rai is here but even then, it was mostly on the people who had voted him in the first place (me, BT).  It's a very defensive brand of scumhunting, something favored by scum.

He votes ActionDan without talking about why him over Raikaria.  Also, as huhwhat mentioned, Bard was attacking huhwhat D1 for 'attempting to policy lynch Dan', so wouldn't that be kinda hypocritical in context, to vote with him on Dan anyways?

Day 2, he doesn't care either.   Blatantly twists huhwhat's case on him into a deformed straw-man.  Doesn't talk about anyone else.

Man, why aren't people voting Bard?  Why go for shadows in favor of solids?

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #365 on: September 08, 2014, 03:31:07 PM »
It was 26 degrees 2 days ago and now it's 1 degrees and snowing.  gosh Canada is no joke.

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #366 on: September 08, 2014, 03:38:18 PM »
I know I haven't really commented on Schezo but meh he looks town solely on account of his Raikaria vote.  Thats it.

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #367 on: September 08, 2014, 03:53:18 PM »
im in bed so this is probably poor.

TLDR

Dorian is scum. 
- his day 1 content is pathetic.  Early day 1 all he did was fencesit on ActionDan.  He votes for BT (who flipped green) and Schezo (who is almost certainly town).  His only real content day 1 is repeated attacks on Schezo for his vote on Raikaria (who was scum).  I don't believe Dorian looks at any other players, and dismisses my case with a handwave lol essentially. 
- I beleive his hammer was forced because he was called out in the thread.  If he'd ignored it and let it to go time out he'd be too suspicious.  Also his hammer looked really panicky. 
- His case on me is misrep and sloppy and I'll dismantle it when I've had some sleep.  The fact that he's voting me when he was tunneling Schezo all day is also ?
- oh right and his confirmation post reeks of disassiatative guilt.  But whatever. 

- Raikaria's day 1 content is similar.  Refusal to vote Dan until forced to by wagon emergence.  Makes no effort to engage active players, lots of waffling in his posts and empty content - we know he's scum.  Main points in his posts always come down to Sky's vote on Dorian is bad, but never evaluates Dorian.  Only other content is an attempt to make something out of CF7/Sky which is shot down by BT, BT gets night killed, QED. 

Raikaria and Dorian mutually exclusively defend each other and to some extent ActionDan, to the point where Dorian attacks me for voting Raikaria when I actually was voting Dan.  That's what we call a smoking gun.  They are unreasonably defending each other to the exclusion of all others, and not actually engaging active players except to discredit their votes by handwave, never by analysis. 

Dorian doesn't have any useful content and didn't commit to a wagon until the very end of the phase.  He actively chose to avoid making any kind of opinions on Dan early in the day, when Dan was the main topic of discussion.  He keeps voting obvious town players >.>

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It's advantageous for scum to keep Dan around because he's handy mislynch material so I don't consider these interactions as an indicator for Dan's alignment yet.  However Dan picked Rai as scum from a confirmation post and didn't vote Rai so he's by no means clear, even if he was a counterwagon to a scum lynch.  He only became active at L-1 in the dying hours of the phase and I don't like it. 

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I am aware there is a heap of stuff with Bard and another 5 pages of stuff to go through and I will deal with it when I get to it.  I just skimmed it yesterday morning I will read it properly soon.
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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #368 on: September 08, 2014, 07:25:52 PM »
Oh dear Sky, Sky, Sky, what should I do with you?
I actually spent some time going over your "glorious content" that day but I already did that and it would give you only more ways to dodge my questions, which, by the way, you still haven't answered yet.
So I turned myself into a counting count, who counts things that counts (maybe someone would like to follow that example).^^ And guess what I found.

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Inconvenient Votecount

Just: (2) BT, Affinity
Raikaria: (3) ActionDan, Prims, Schezo
Prims: (2) Lexicat, Just
Schezo: (1) Dorian
ActionDan: (1) Moridin84
Dorian Mizuhashi: (1) Sky_Paladin
Sky_Paladin: (1) CF7
Lexicat: (1) Raikaria
That was the vote situation as Sky voiced his preference for an Raikaria lynch.

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Convenient Votecount

Just: (1) Affinity
Raikaria: (3) ActionDan, Schezo,  BT
Prims: (1) Lexicat
Schezo: (1) Dorian
ActionDan: (4) Moridin84, CF7, Prims, Just
Dorian Mizuhashi: (1) Sky_Paladin
Lexicat: (1) Raikaria
And that was the situation as Sky started to cry about Dan being frustrating, which leads to  Raikaria decay only to a side note. And then you solidified it into this:

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Sweet Votecount

Just: (1) Affinity
Raikaria: (3) ActionDan, Schezo,  BT
Prims: (1) Lexicat
Schezo: (1) Dorian
ActionDan: (5) Moridin84, CF7, Prims, Just, Sky_Paladin
Lexicat: (1) Raikaria
Cause you conveniently forgot that Raikaria was you preferred pick for the days lynch just a few hours ago? So you put his counter wagon, that was already leading, further ahead?

Do I still have to ask for the reason why you did that or do I already know it?
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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #369 on: September 08, 2014, 07:41:07 PM »
So HuhWhat, what do you say? Am I cool gay now? Or is Sky just 2 het 4 the game?
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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #370 on: September 08, 2014, 08:04:56 PM »
The two people voting for huhwhat now are kinda horrible; they aren't even considering anyone else!
I am just don't have much time at the moment and that was the things that picked my attention the most. I am even thinking about asking for a sub.
Sometimes rumors are just... rumors

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #371 on: September 08, 2014, 08:07:29 PM »
I am just don't have much time at the moment and that was the things that picked my attention the most. I am even thinking about asking for a sub.
Also sleepy.
I just don't have much time at the moment and that was the thing that piqued my interest the most. I am kind of thinking about asking for a sub.
Sometimes rumors are just... rumors

Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #372 on: September 08, 2014, 08:09:52 PM »
I'm a bit suspicious about Primms and his vote switch, but that's not enough to go on, and there are much more suspicious players around.

So what exactly is the argument against Just? The issue is what? Lack of concrete reasoning and conclusions? The lack of posting since Raikaria was getting seriously lynched in day 1 and during day 2 is suspicious though...

Sky's case against Dorion seems much stronger. Dorion also doesn't any counter many of Sky's arguments. Dorion's case against Sky is a bit odd, since they sound more like arguments against Primms than Sky.

##vote Dorion

@Schezo
Are you voting for me because I made some comment against you? That's not exactly constructive.

ActionDan is voting for me for that reason so I'm not even going to ask him...

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #373 on: September 08, 2014, 08:28:28 PM »
I'm sorry if the numbers don't enlighten but how is a prove that Sky acted most opportunistic to save his buddy a point against HuhWhat?
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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #374 on: September 08, 2014, 08:29:12 PM »
 *don't enlighten you ...
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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #375 on: September 08, 2014, 08:36:04 PM »
@Dorian: as much as I don't agree with sky's case on you, you sound unbelievably petty and smug. I think a fair number of people who had wanted Rai lynched move to Dan in the end because of frustration so what separates him from the rest? (phone post so if you've done this in previous posts ok) even mirodin pointed it out

Think the prob  with the above 2 cases is that they don't seem to believe that town can make mistakes. There's a lot of misrep on Sky's part, esp on the question of content. Just because Schezo and BT look or flipped town after D1 doesn't mean that all that has been said on them have been useless.

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #376 on: September 08, 2014, 08:38:29 PM »
Mirodin you put Dorian at level 5 but why do you have to wait for someone else to make a case to vote? Why not uuhwhat instead? (Who you also put at 5)

Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Night One)
« Reply #377 on: September 08, 2014, 08:52:06 PM »
Aren't you forgetting something? You need a sound cue!

Moridin: (2)  Lexicat, Schezo
Just: (2) Prims, Affinity
Primms: (2) CF7, Just
Dorian: (2) Sky_Paladin, Moridin84
Sky_Paladin: (1) Dorian

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #378 on: September 08, 2014, 09:04:25 PM »
##CF7

Isn't this the actual really obvious scum? Or I am missing something?

Also my little list was just separating those who voted for me vs those who didn't

Don't lynch me.

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #379 on: September 08, 2014, 09:04:40 PM »
##Vote CF7

Don't lynch me.

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #380 on: September 08, 2014, 09:06:45 PM »
@Affinity: Well, maybe I went a bit too far there, provocation has proven itself as a useful tool to me lately, if you want product reactions.
However, you can hardly deny the opportunism in Skys acts, he gave out Raikaria as his preferred lynch as he were the leading wagon just to let him fall as the Dan wagon picked up momentum again.
Everyone else gave up their pat cases to go for Raikaria or Dan but only Sky gave it up to say that he goes with Raikaria but then went with Dan. That really don't strikes you as odd, does it?
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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #381 on: September 08, 2014, 09:54:01 PM »
Mirodin you put Dorian at level 5 but why do you have to wait for someone else to make a case to vote? Why not uuhwhat instead? (Who you also put at 5)
I put Dorion at level 5 in a post before the start of day 2, so I couldn't vote at that point. Next time I posted it was in the morning but I didn't have time to do more than a quick post, I didn't want to make a vote yet. Sky made his post against Dorion roughly 5 hours after that. I started reading through the thread properly and posted my opinion about 5 hours after that.

I've changed my mind about Primms, I've decreased him to level 3. Schezo as well, level 4 was too high for him in the first place.

I'm inclined to increase Just to level 5 and Sky to level 4, but I don't have a firm logical basis for that so I'll leave them as is. And yes, enough though I'm currently suspecting Dorion, I'm putting Sky at level 4. Suspicions aren't mutually exclusive things.

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #382 on: September 08, 2014, 10:21:39 PM »
if you change scum levels of people so easily (without firm logical basis) then they simply don't mean anything.  you might as well be some kid having fun with an abacus.

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #383 on: September 08, 2014, 10:30:56 PM »
please justify some of them.  man im kinda exasparated and stuff.

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #384 on: September 08, 2014, 10:46:34 PM »
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Everyone else gave up their pat cases to go for Raikaria or Dan but only Sky gave it up to say that he goes with Raikaria but then went with Dan. That really don't strikes you as odd, does it?

Okay fine, but to me, it would only be scummier if Sky were to move to Raikaria later in the day for town cred.  It's really subjective, and as the crux of your case it is extremely weak.

If you look at today, no one is exactly giving Sky townie points for having a token suspicion Raikaria on D1, so why do you make it out to be some kind of scheme when it hasn't really done anything?

Lastly, what do you think of huhwhat?  He has done the same as what you have accused Sky as doing, only that he came back to vote Raikaria at the end.

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #385 on: September 08, 2014, 10:51:53 PM »
Sky can you please talk to Dorian he asked you something here.  Dorian could you address Sky's case and maybe defend yourself a bit.

Why aren't people talking to each other.  It's almost like people are throwing darts at images of their scumspects and trying to convince everyone else with long posts and louder noises.  marketplace of ideas.  squawk blabber blub.

Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #386 on: September 08, 2014, 11:03:46 PM »
if you change scum levels of people so easily (without firm logical basis) then they simply don't mean anything.  you might as well be some kid having fun with an abacus.
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please justify some of them.  man im kinda exasperated and stuff.
Well to be honest, these are just internal impressions, based on the things I have already stated in the thread. I didn't really expect anyone to put much thought into parsing them.

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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #387 on: September 08, 2014, 11:24:20 PM »
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Sky can you please talk to Dorian he asked you something here. 
I planned to get around to this when I finished reviewing day 1 but OK. 

Dorian;
"I already Pointed out how he dropped me to give out Raikaria as his ?preferred scum lunch.?  for no apparent reason."

Reasons stated in the post that you actually linked are as follows:
I want to lunch Rai for his stubborn hang up and continues for "it must be Sky or CF7" or "it mus be Sky or LLD" mislynch strat he used in his last scum game.
Agree that Rais fake forget appears super fake also.
Still think Dorian is scum. 
Prefered lunch is Raikaia ATM. Will review and pos points before voting.
***I have snipped out points that aren't relevant***

The content of this post clearly establishes why I considered Raikaria scum.  It is a straight out lie to say 'for no apparent reason'. 

Dorian
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His next post is mostly a list of reasons why he wants to lynch Dan,

In the same post you linked, previously, I stated:
"Could lunch Dan for him popping in to say yeah I'm prod dodging watchagonnadoaboutitlololol annoyance. Why sign up if you're not gonna play.
Prefered lunch is Raikaia ATM. Will review and pos points before voting."
The second post you are referring to is this one where I respond to BT who is asking me about you (Dorian). 
I state (about Dorian):
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BT - I expected Dorian to respond to my case. The confirm post is one part. The Dan policy lynch fence sitting was another part. Dorian chose to hand wave it away as nonsensical. I didn't have an opportunity to follow this up because I am in my iPhone and its too difficult to quote, check and post. I just read the thread and sniff for clues. I wasn't satisfied with Dorians content which is why I am still voting him and listed him as scum in my last blarble.  I think Dorian is scum, I don't feel like anybody beleives me though.

And about Dan
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The reason I would lynch Dan over other afk people is multiple.
1 - Dan is chronically afk and it seems like every game on LYLO or the day before LYLO there is a big jama over not knowing his alignment due to lack of posting. It's a problem.
2 - Dan his strategy is to lurk, we want to do, discourage this anti social tendency by lynching lurkers. In any case he can always get out by posting content.
3 - this game he already posted and had no comment on the three or four things that were happening and made no effort. It frustrates me。

Basically you can see my urge to kill frustrating players rising. 

Also I just realised in all of the end of day 1, even when he was at L-1, I never saw Dan claim?  Maybe I missed it (there was A LOT that popped up while I was asleep and I still didn't get to read the thread properly), but I would have thought a town player would have claimed in that position. 

Dorian
"Sure, that case was the best thing that day but how exactly does BTs townnyness makes Raikaria scum?"

I said:
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I thought I would have a good chance to go through the thread. I don't. I am on holiday and sent v/la to mod but igurss it was too drink post lol. At this stage I am willing so sheep BT on Raikaria because I think BT is town. I am suspiciois of Bard voting Dan over Rai.

Raikaria flipped scum and BT flipped town, so...
I thought BT made a good case and I wanted to run with it. 

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What happened to your own reason to prefer Raikarias lynch?
I am used to people ignoring my cases but it doesn't make me feel any better about it.  The only time when we've ever lynched somebody that I've started a case on was DNA in Choose Your Own Mafia.  I catch scum often on day 1 and then get discouraged and go off track.  I felt my case on you was much stronger, and people ignored it.  I felt my points on Raikaria were relevant but I didn't have time to sit down and elucidate it clearly, so I expected people to ignore it.  I had very little time and I didn't want to waste it. 
In this quagmire of frustration, I thought Raikaria was unlikely to be lynched - a little later on, BT asks me to pick a wagon before I go to sleep, and I thought Rai only had 2 votes.  If I had known my vote would have tied the wagon I would have voted Rai.  I thought there was a good chance Dan was scum lurking and that a vote on Dan would not be wasted. 

Dorian
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And why is Bard suspicious for voting Dan when you see so many reasons to vote the guy yourself?
Which you finally did here. Dan is a lost case and you apologize to Bard for being a hypocrite but that doesn't explains why you criticized him in the first place nor why Raikaria isn't a thing anymore.

I criticed Bard for voting Dan over Rai because I felt he was putting a vote in on an afk player instead of somebody he perceived as scum.  I apologised to Bard because I then later felt the same righteous fury and understood his position. 

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Dorian is scum because his case is awful, misreppy, and if he had spent an iota of time reading the posts he quoted from, the main points would vanish. 
Dorian is scum because his case is wagon analysis and picking one of my posts apart (poorly) instead of looking for scum intent, or something that would actually support his points. 
Dorian is scum because his case uses 'begging the question', a logical fallacy, as the main part of his argument. 
There's plenty of scum intent in his posts - he was trying to shift the lynch of Raikaria on day 1 by attacking Raikaria's critics, notably Schezo and BT. 
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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #388 on: September 08, 2014, 11:33:55 PM »
Can somebody please post about the case on Bard and/or Prims?  It's clear I won't get a chance to analyse this properly on my own and I need to look at them. 

Also, I don't want Lexi getting a free pass for doing nothing.  Lexicat, why are you voting Moridin?  You just quoted him and voted. 

Dan, what's your reason for voting CF7?  You just said he is obvious scum and voted. 

On day 1 you also said Raikaria was obvious scum very early in the phase but did not vote.  Since Raikaria was scum I'm very interested in this.

Also, re: Moridin and Schezo, from my big wall post -

Moridin claims (and has now established) ability to talk at night. 

Schezo questioning Moridin on his ability.  The wording seems to me that Schezo is surprised that Moridin is 'the only one' with this ability.  Seeing as I think Schezo is super town I don't want him to claim but if you have any...I don't know, inside info, let us know with a vote. 
*observes Schezo voting Moridin day 2* Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Is there any chance you could clarify on this?
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Re: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day Two)
« Reply #389 on: September 09, 2014, 01:33:07 AM »
Bard's copious amount of reasons for voting huhwhat D1 had almost nil effect on the game at all, since he's now sheeping CF7 and voting him for shadows of a bus.
I agree, sheeping Affinity.

really though Bard if you're town what happened to your D1 effort? I'm having a hard time seeing you as town now because even disregarding why I find you scummy it seems like you JUST don't care. "LLD slipped my mind" doesn't happen from people focusing on the game, I especially don't think it happens from somebody who hates people who sign up and barely play.

##CF7

Isn't this the actual really obvious scum? Or I am missing something?

Also my little list was just separating those who voted for me vs those who didn't
God damn it Dan this is not how you convince people to vote with you in forum mafia. Why should I be voting CF7 over Bard? Why aren't you voting Bard? What happened to wanting Moridin dead? For fuck's sake Dan play the game you signed up for there haven't been that many pages it's noooooot haaaaaaard.

Can somebody please post about the case on Bard and/or Prims?  It's clear I won't get a chance to analyse this properly on my own and I need to look at them. 
The Bard case has been summed up pretty succinctly by both me and Affinity today. The Prims case is that people failed associative tells 101.

RE: Sky: even if Dorian was actively being called out he specifically put himself in the position of the day's hammerer hours before, it's not too hard to just log out and coast, which is what many scum would do in that position
Also Sky, Dan definitely did vote Raikaria ED1 and it was the whole reason I pushed him, what are you on about?
Schezo isn't almost certainly town at all since he wasn't critical in getting Raikaria lynched or anything. Both he and Raikaria were willing to drop eachother superficially despite acting confident about their reads on eachother.

I feel similarly to Affinity about Dorian's Sky case. tbh I don't think either lynch is the play for today.

Moridin's scum levels are some Zak-in-Villains-1 padding shit and I don't see why he can't just tell us who he thinks is scum and why.