Author Topic: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Happily Ever After  (Read 133229 times)

UncertainJakutten

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 4 MyLo
« Reply #1050 on: June 30, 2011, 06:25:13 AM »
Also of hilarious note after reading Dormio's post. We made the same post. Apology+accusing the other of being scum+Bard suspicion. His also includes HW suspicion, but I don't feel that works well given who we have as flipped scum. Just a little bit of humor in this bleak game.

@Dormio cut: But that's my point. If Chaore were lying about targetting me with me as his original scumbuddy, his flip would be instantly making me incredibly likely to be the recruit, and still extremely lynchable, when prior to this I was not. tl;dr Chaore lying only makes sense if I'm town. Note that the inverse is true. (That him telling the truth makes me scum, it just makes it more likely I'm recruit scum). No one counterclaimed targetting me so either it was a second scum and Chaore was lying, or he did indeed target me.

Anyway, I've made my cases as well. As a matter of fact, as I said yesterday, I plan to gun for Bard today, assuming we do not go no lynch.

Why are you voting in mylo again, Dormio?


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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 4 MyLo
« Reply #1051 on: June 30, 2011, 06:27:11 AM »
Because I am certain of myself in that you are scum.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 4 MyLo
« Reply #1052 on: June 30, 2011, 06:28:02 AM »
Also of hilarious note after reading Dormio's post. We made the same post. Apology+accusing the other of being scum+Bard suspicion. His also includes HW suspicion, but I don't feel that works well given who we have as flipped scum. Just a little bit of humor in this bleak game.
Huh. That is pretty hilarious.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 4 MyLo
« Reply #1053 on: June 30, 2011, 06:28:53 AM »
That's so touching. Just because *you* are certain of yourself does not give you the right to risk town's chances of winning on a careless vote. That is, if you were town. Voting is mylo/lylo shouldn't be townie behavior. Normally I'd say it isn't but...uh...MotK history begs to differ. But it is anti town.


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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 4 MyLo
« Reply #1054 on: June 30, 2011, 06:31:18 AM »
MYLO means that town needs two votes on town for scum to pile on and get the lynch.
But I don't believe this to be an issue, because I think you're scum and you won't hop onto your own wagon. Except maybe to hammer.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 4 MyLo
« Reply #1055 on: June 30, 2011, 06:31:38 AM »
MYLO means that town needs two votes on town for scum to pile on and get the lynch.
Unless I can't math, which I probably can't.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 4 MyLo
« Reply #1056 on: June 30, 2011, 06:33:02 AM »
MYLO with six people means that town needs two town votes on town for scum to pile on and get the lynch.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 4 MyLo
« Reply #1057 on: June 30, 2011, 06:33:56 AM »
It's slightly safer in MYLO, true. But Townies Are Silly principle dictates that you're being careless at best. Fortunately, I don't think you're a townie, but I feel the need to point out that your vote is anti-town, which combined with the rest of your behavior is not a place you want to be.



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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 4 MyLo
« Reply #1058 on: June 30, 2011, 06:34:33 AM »
EBWOP: Also, thoughts on massclaim now that we don't have a claimed scum to lynch?


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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 4 MyLo
« Reply #1059 on: June 30, 2011, 06:55:03 AM »
Well, fortunately for me, I don't think that you're a townie either.
So it's up to everyone else to decide what they think.

And I have no idea what to think about a massclaim.

Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 4 MyLo
« Reply #1060 on: June 30, 2011, 07:43:28 AM »
I think No lynch would help us a lot more because it would force scum to eliminate another suspect, decreasing the chance of us losing endgame to a townie having a sudden bout of paranoia. :s

I can't make a full post right now because I've been TF2ing with friends for like... the past few hours, including when the day started. But I'll try to do so tomorrow morning.

Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 4 MyLo
« Reply #1061 on: June 30, 2011, 07:44:44 AM »
Also, UK and Dormio, seriously. Just because the mods don't want you to be actively aggressive towards eachother doesn't mean you should start putting passive-aggressive jabs towards eachother in your posts instead. <_< It's equally annoying to read, honestly.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1062 on: June 30, 2011, 12:52:01 PM »
UK is scum. I can say this with absolute certainty. UK is scum.

First of all, her case is an obvious matter of calculated telegraphing, see? Of course, I'm not serious about that, but it's important to consider that she later proposes the townie block and names me as one of its eligible members, despite being confident here that she'll catch me as scum later on.

Her proper-game opening is this post with a promise of a re-read/content later on, but she follows this up with another promise, while conveniently coasting D1 up to that point by cheerleading a PX wagon and placing no votes whatsoever. She finally does place a vote as a placeholder, which tells us nothing about who's scum yet. She does follow it up by calling Kiro scum, but why place a placeholder vote rather than a genuine vote?

Calling it a placeholder is important, because it lends flexibility. I might change my vote later, but I'll already place it just in case. No one'll blame her for changing a placeholder, right? :)

She does change her vote after that promised content read, after first posting Wall of Observations, she changes to Dormio for a case that boils down to, "I don't like his case on me". Important to note is that Dormio was already receiving fire, whereas Kiro was losing it. She stated in an earlier post that Shadoweh, Bard, PX and someone are probably town, noting that she didn't want to be stuck with PX all game, but later backtracks to say that she's not sure what to make of me. This strange jumping around is notable in that she confirms to herself that I am town on D3, then declares I am scum on D4 when I suspect her of being scum. Because it was untelegraphed. Recall how I refused your townie voting block saying that I'd only do it if I were survivor? It's because the voting block supports scum.

Her jump on LLD is explained for a need of answers, same as mine. Between here and her vote on Dormio, UK has taken no steps to convince anyone Dormio is scum, and hardly even mentions him. It's like he no longer exists to her.

She doesn't push LLD particularly hard, but keeps raising the point about LLD needing to answer questions and how not doing so is scummy. I like to think my case on LLD was a rather bit more elaborate, UK's feels rather lazy in retrospect.

On Day2 UK goes back to voting Dormio, but again she spends no effort on why Dormio is scum. There's just no cases, and for someone who declares cases are scummy she's doing an awful lot of her best to avoid looking scummy by her own words... except she declared this on D3. Maybe a cover-up for her previous lack of cases? I think so!

When she changes her vote again, it's flexible between Dormio and PX, which she needs because the PX and Dormio wagons showed that PX was gaining more votes. She just swapped to the more popular wagon citing she wanted his flip, not that she thought PX was more scummy. I hopefully don't need to point out how scummy it is. She mentions Dormio's case more concretely later on, but it mostly boils down to "I don't like his case on me", which isn't necessarily scummy so much as bad town play.

Dormio has raised valid points though, as far as I care. She responds to him twice but neither response is interesting to note in this writing. However, this is: all wagons are bad, but I'm staying on PX who I declared as definite scum because major lynch information flip reads! Yeah! There's nothing scummy about not even TRYING to get a lynch on who you think is scummiest. She thinks HW is scummiest, but refuses to jump on it, which clearly shows UK isn't willing to vote HW to lynch!

HWxUK scum OTP. Calling it now.

Oh hey, another thing where she says she'd rather lynch HW, thus not owning up to lynching town!PX. Her vote also assisted Chaore in swinging the lynch off of Kiro, so like Shadoweh, accessory. Unlike Shadoweh, UK is actual scum.

Also gut on Chaore is all it ever amounts to. :U You want to accuse me of swinging the vote away from Chaore? I wasn't the one who jumped on him with just 'gut'! Moreover, I steered clear of it because it was A) an evident popular wagon and B) I thought it would be useful to discuss more first, but I was obviously terribly wrong because MotK town rolls over and waits for the sweet salvation of death when they have scum. :U

The one time UK thinks someone should vote her is when it's capt h, which boggles me why she'd encourage him to vote her. Especially considering UK's earlier reactions and present reactions to being called scum.

Since scum UK is saying HW is scum, Bard and Shadoweh are town, it makes me wonder whether she was totally right on this. I know this won't endear the case to HW, but would it anyway?

The funny part is that she considers HW scum but still fairly considers his objections to the town voting block, and continues to be cordial with him while never raising how he is scum or showing that she honestly feels he's scum. Also note how she tries to deny the MyLo. Also the hilarious bit is when she mentions Dormio again, as townest. :awesome:

There is some posturing about how a townie voting block would destroy scum, which again is just toting her own horn about how pro-town she is being! If she really were, we'd not need to raise that point!

And Dormio returns to being scum, for now disliking the voting block. Also she doesn't want to lynch scum!Dormio despite raising it so much, probably because she knows I caught more fire.

Vote and roleclaim in next post!

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1063 on: June 30, 2011, 12:57:42 PM »
So remember me saying scum can't kill me? It's because I'm Vanilla Town~!, and because I was posting minimalistically on D3/4 and am a good target for a mislynch! :D Now then, process of elimination:

Hanged Hourai
Dormio
UK
HW
Bard

Bard is Town. Dormio is probably Town. Hanged Hourai is Uncertain. UncertainKitten is certainly scum. Huh What is Uncertain. This narrows it for me a lot!

Like Dormio I DON'T FEAR THE QUICKLYNCH, but I guess I'll hold off on voting to give you guys some time to digest, IDK, IDC.

Problem? Deal with it. :derp:



Also, in UK's case, note her accusation that I never named Chaore until D3, then go over her posts and mentions of Chaore as scum. :U Problem?

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1064 on: June 30, 2011, 01:05:07 PM »
tl;dr UK is scum because she hasn't pushed any of her targets, keeps swinging between reads on people, pushed a bad concept on D3 while toting it as pro-town, and refused to lynch her scummiest read on D2 for the sake of a "majority lynch" and complete absence despite promising to be present 1H to deadline!

She's also scum for ignoring cases on her and being beliggerent instead, and making a terrible LyLo case while proposing we hold off on lynching. Swimmingly fantastic proposal, but I seriously do not want to spend more tie on this game than is necessary just hanging around doing jack frost for scumhunting like everyone's been doing.

Also forgot Conq was playing, imagine that.



So then guys, who do you think is scum? Top scum picks first! What do you think about UK scum and why is this false if you think Dormio and I are wrong?

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1065 on: June 30, 2011, 01:08:03 PM »
Also, yes, TOTES SCUMMY to not want to abstain on lynching despite it improving our odds of lynching scum (we stand to mathematically gain 10% odds just randomly voting) because it ALSO REMOVES TOWN FROM THE GAME and permits scum to select their endgame. I do not want to give scum their picks of endgame and am fairly confident we can lynch scum today, that I would rather not risk scum night shenanigans to fuck with our chances of victory.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1066 on: June 30, 2011, 06:19:35 PM »
Don't forget about me bro.  :ohdear:

Full rereads and cases on every single player in the game will come later tonight, which should still leave plenty of time.


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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1067 on: June 30, 2011, 06:26:30 PM »
Pesco is telling me to post again, so here's another post. :U

Clearly UK using Shadoweh's death as something to hold against me (Bard wanted to vote confirmed!Town Shadoweh over confirmed!Scum Chaore) is the surest sign that it's a calculated move from scum's part to get a mislynch in me instead of risking getting lynched by town today!

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?The worst part of your D1 feels like your case on Kiro. Why yes, I did the same thing. I'm just not sure I feel the same...intent behind your case. From what I can tell, it's parroting points I already made (i.e. the Weird != scummy thing, which is pretty much the entirity of your case) and then some "rage" at Kiro disrespecting the game.

Which is quite an interesting part of UK's "case", as her push on LLD was parroting me, and the entire "intent" business is too vague and obscure to build things on if you can't elucidate what this is! And why, yes, I rage at Kiro for playing anti-Bardiche instead of playing Mafia. There's nothing scummy about thinking that someone is a dick when he's acting like a dick. :U Are you for real about holding that against me now?

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?In particular, what made you vote LLD over Schezo despite poking them for about fairly similar levels of suspicious activity? Interesting choice there, I think ^-^.

As I so elegantly pointed out in my wall of text post, you were there with me on the LLD wagon! So, question back at you: if you think Schezo had fairly similar levels of suspicious activity and still voted LLD, why should we not vote to lynch you for that?

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The "regret nothing" post is awful. Just...awful.

How is it awful?

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I'll also note Chaore has not even been mentioned by Bard at all at this point. It's late D2. You will not find Chaore's name in any of Bard's posts

Fantastic, you mention you don't know how to feel about the Chaore case and listed him as fairly town a few posts back. Why, again, should we vote me for it, but not you?

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Bard refuses my town voting block because it has Shadoweh in it, AND WANTS TO VOTE SHADOWEH OVER CONFIRMED SCUM CHAORE.

Chaore was not confirmed at that point. (?∀`)

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Note this is about the first time Bard has ever said the word Chaore. And then when Chaore claims scum and Bard tries to eat the day.

Actually no, Chaore claimed scum after that, and I'm fairly sure I dropped his name before, as well as in my first post of the day. I voted him before the claim, which I admit is because people were stoked on him, but that is nothing truly worth consideration as "scummy"; Bardiche never jumps on the easy and popular wagons first thing in the morning.

┐(-。ー; )┌ Honestly the case on me is seven kinds of silly and I don't get why I'm replying to it. If you want to accuse someone of trying to find a counter-wagon to the Chaore wagon, look to Huh What who has been doing everything he can to avoid giving opinions on anything for a while, including the Chaore case.




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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1068 on: June 30, 2011, 06:34:52 PM »
Also @MOD: Please confirm we're in MyLo and NOT LyLo. Last day we had MyLo in the title and someone pasting Affinity saying it's LyLo, which is it now?

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1069 on: June 30, 2011, 06:38:17 PM »
It's MYLO.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1070 on: June 30, 2011, 07:48:04 PM »
I really shouldn't be posting since I should be working but I was bored. And I see Bard attacking me, about as predicted. Is there anything in particular you'd like me to answer, Bard? I'll answer any questions. I honestly don't feel like reading walls of texts right now and getting into point by point since that usually misses...well, the point. Can you concisely tell me why you think I'm scum, is basically what I'm asking.

Oh, also, you're wrong about the math. Even number mylo is actually WORSE odds of lynching scum voting randomly. It's simple math. Right now it's 2:4. Randomly voting means a 33% chance of lynching scum. If we no lynch and let scum kill, it becomes 2:3, eliminates a suspect since guess what! No one is an obvious kill at this point, excepting maybe Conquerer. In 2:3, you have a 40% chance of voting scum. I'll note that Bard's misrepresentation of the facts is q

@HW: What the hell are you talking about with "passive aggressive jabs"? I see nothing of the sort from me OR him.


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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1071 on: June 30, 2011, 07:57:57 PM »
I like to assume people don't vote themselves, UK, so it's 2 scum, 3 town for everyone to pick, which is a 2/5 odds of lynching scum, which means we're at 40% of hitting scum right now for any given person voting who he thinks is scummiest, assuming he does not want to vote himself.

And no, you'll get to read the wall of text to undermine why you're scum. No laziness at MyLo!

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1072 on: June 30, 2011, 08:04:16 PM »
I really shouldn't be posting since I should be working but I was bored. And I see Bard attacking me, about as predicted. Is there anything in particular you'd like me to answer, Bard? I'll answer any questions. I honestly don't feel like reading walls of texts right now and getting into point by point since that usually misses...well, the point. Can you concisely tell me why you think I'm scum, is basically what I'm asking. I'm responding to your shorter posts now though.

You're wrong about the math. Even number mylo is actually WORSE odds of lynching scum voting randomly. It's simple math. Right now it's 2:4. Randomly voting means a 33% chance of lynching scum. If we no lynch and let scum kill, it becomes 2:3, eliminates a suspect since guess what! No one is an obvious kill at this point, excepting maybe Conquerer. In 2:3, you have a 40% chance of voting scum. I'll note that Bard's misrepresentation of the facts is quite intriguing.

Re: D2 Behavior: Because Oversleep Is Scummy. Are you seriously going to hold that against me? Because that just sounds desperate. Secondly, it's misrep to say that I refused to vote my scummiest read. He was not a viable lynch by the time I went to bed. Are you telling me that I should have parked my vote on an unlikely lynch wagon, given the chance that I'd oversleep?

As for responses to my case. I wasn't parroting you on LLD. Rather, I took some of your points, but I also started with my own when she started becoming obstinate. Honestly, we both were pressuring her for not answering around the same time, and I don't really feel like that was a parroting situation since we were both posting at once. However, I initially got on her case when I thought she was guilty of her own scumtell, something you did NOT mention (though admittedly, I was incorrect.)

Yes, the Kiro point is serious. You wanted to lynch Kiro regardless of alignment. That's usually a scummy move! The fact that it was literally the ONLY other part of your Kiro case, beyond what I had already pointed out, was awful. Secondly, I never said anything about Schezo. You said something about Schezo in the EXACT SAME POST you voted LLD. You were throwing about equal amounts of suspicion at both of them. Why LLD over Schezo then? Also, trying to turn the question around on me was a misrep, and yet another scummy point against you.

The regret nothing post basically felt like preemptively deflecting the awful of lynching LLD. As if you were fairly sure people would get on your case about it. That's a scummy thought process.

Chaore: I still actually MENTIONED Chaore. And when I was responding to Hourai, the feeling town feeling had gone away because my gut had kicked in. So again, misrep. You seemed to be intentionally avoiding even mentioning the guy, and then you avoided voting him D3 because you were just SO CERTAIN of Shadoweh. As for him not being confirmed scum at that point, no, he wasn't. I apologize for the lack of clarity there. I meant that we know now that Chaore is scum. You wanting to vote Shadoweh over him pretty much means you were strongly pushing a counterwagon to scum. That's scummy!

Accepting I made a mistake regarding your D3 behavior regarding Chaore. You still pushed Shadoweh, who is now known as TOWN, over Chaore, who is now known as SCUM. Your voting history indicts you.

@HW: What the hell are you talking about with "passive aggressive jabs"? I see nothing of the sort from me OR him. Secondly, I notice a suspicious lack of opinion on massclaim. What gives?

Cut by Bard and...Myself?: Um, well, this post is going to repeat things I just said because it was incomplete.

As for Bard fail math, assuming that, then you SHOULD realize that if we no lynch today, we have a 50% chance of lynching scum tomorrow. I don't really understand how you are missing this.

As for laziness at MYLO, why are you being lazy and not responding to a reasonable request. It'd be far less noisy if you just posted a concise case.


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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1073 on: June 30, 2011, 08:09:10 PM »
EBWOP: Returning to work. Not sure I'll get another post out here until 7 or 8. I OVERSLEPT TODAY! ZOMG SCUMMY


Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1074 on: June 30, 2011, 08:29:23 PM »
Blargh.

Well I got cut by the night phase yesterday, so the post I was working on got lost. Blargh.
I'll just get this out here real quick then.

Bard-
Pushed Shadoweh over Chaore D3. I remember saying something about how Chaore claimed to give bussing cred to his buddies, but I can see how this would also apply to Bard as he had Chaore on the backburner for a while.
Clears Dormio yesterday for what I only see as agreeing with him on Shadoweh scum. Uh huh. Can you expound why Dormio is probably town over other people, who are just uncertain? And your UKxHW scumteam relies on one's interactions with another. How is HW scummy on his own? How is he scummy based on associations with the confirmed scum? Your scumteam seems rather speculative and weak.
Also, wanna put a name to that claim?

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1075 on: June 30, 2011, 09:41:21 PM »
Bah, I can't work anymore. I stayed up too late last night and my brain isn't seeing what words are and how people are fucking them up.

So, Hourai! I am pleased to see a case on Bard since that puts you with the cool kids that are right. But I have a few wee issues.

1) No opinion on voting in MYLO. What's up with that? Could you tell me if you favor No Lynch or not?
2) No opinion on massclaim. That'd be a pretty cool thing to have. Town lost DtB mafia because no one thought massclaim was cool. Well, that was one of the reasons, anyway.
3) You suspected me yesterday. Is that still a thing? Are you pairing me with Bard? If so, why? And if you did drop me, why?

Thanks~


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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1076 on: June 30, 2011, 09:51:11 PM »
Yo, Hourai, you think Bardiche is the scums, right?
Who do you think is the other scum?
Do you think that the UK case makes sense?
You question Bardiche's huh what case, does this mean that you don't think that huh what is the scums?

ITT: UK thinks that having the scum:town ratio being swung towards scum is a good thing.
Also, I like how UK has been trying to use the fact that UK had been mentioning Chaore before he claimed scum as a good thing that UK has done.
Except UK only mentioned Chaore twice on D3 before Chaore's suicide. The first was about a magical gut read that UK had. The second was that we should be voting Chaore for no reason.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1077 on: June 30, 2011, 10:02:56 PM »
Simple math dictates I'm correct

Assuming random lynches, 2:3 lylo is more likely to be won than 2:4 mylo, simply due to probabilities. Given we seem to be good at doing a lot worse than random lynching, no lynching right now has a fair amount of benefit.


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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1078 on: June 30, 2011, 10:06:36 PM »
Assuming random lynches
But we're not going to be holding random lynches.
At least, I'd hope to God that we aren't going to be holding random lynches.

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Re: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Day 5 MyLo
« Reply #1079 on: June 30, 2011, 10:10:32 PM »
By reducing town's numbers, you're making scum's voices and opinions that much louder.