Night of the Vampire Mafia: Happily Ever After

[Shadoweh]

I swear that last part in Zak's role wasn't there when I read it the first time. >_> It looks like vigging would have killed him. Yeah, good thing he didn't use it then. I'M SORRY FOR DOUBTING YOU ZAKKY-CHAN <3 <3 <3

Kittan the problem with a town voting block during MyLO/LyLO is it only takes two/one townies to vote for the wrong person. All we can do is encourage people not to make hasty decisions. We need everyone in here letting us know their reads. You're still a suspect for recruitment yourself, I can't in good conscience let you get by today without posting your own analysis of people. Also serious about wanting to see a case on Schezo from you.

If Dormio is scum as you say and I'm seriously believing I fail to see how pressuring him is noise. We want the scum to be the one talking don't we?  :3 Besides, the more he continues to be obstinant the clearer his intent is for either side to see.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

The amount of activity in this topic is absolutely staggering.

1. No, it doesn't. I explicitly said I wanted input from everyone even after the voting block was set because we cannot work in a vacuum.
2. Yes, I would SO get away with that. You do realize that if I tried that, the other people in the voting block would basically say "Uh, no. UK, you're not in the voting block anymore". That's kind of how it works, you know.
3. Wrong, due to point one. Also, it's cute of you to repeat points in different ways to make your anti voting block stance look better.

1. It doesn't work in a vacuum, cool. I still fail to see why anyone that isn't in the voting block would have a reason to post?
2. As the person that made the voting block, and with how aggressive and stuff you are, I'm sure you'd find a way to stay in. At worst, the voting block would be dissolved and you'll have wasted time accomplishing very little.
3. I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to as wrong, so I'm just going to point back to 1.

The voting block is stupid and scummy.

The rest of your post isn't worth reading for about the reason HW brings up a few posts later.

And you're all going to believe the claims of both Kiro AND Chaore.
Never mind the fact that either of them, especially since Chaore was, you know, scum, could have just as easily been lying.

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
I would hope that my intent is pretty clear. I want a UK and Shadoweh lynch once we're done with Schezo today.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

@Shadoweh: Caught scum isn't likely to produce reliably analyzable content. They'd want to produce noise and WIFOM instead. Even (especially?) if they're scum!Dormio-tier insane.

I'm working on a post, but a recent trend I've noticed is that I'll start writing a post and then get braindead and save it for later halfway through, followed by a few hours of procrastinating. So it might take a while. <_<

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

tl;dr version of my opinions is that I still think Dormio is recruit scum and my top suspect for original!scum is Bard because of a lot of his D3 actions. He initially seemed reluctant to push Chaore until other people started doing so, and his late-day encouragement towards hammering still looks awful in my eyes.

Now you have something to go on before I actually finish the post, at least.

[UncertainJakutten]

Sure, my case on Schezo is that when I read him I get awful gut vibes. When he was fake vigged, he claimed vampire and Chaore's behavior around the claim implied that he meant to take the action for Schezo. Schezo's claim does not fit with being a vampire, as it is Yukari, who is not a vampire. Therefore, Schezo is scum. Congrats, a case. Wonderful greatness it did, huh?

The reason it's noise is because you keep saying the same things. As I said, every time he says something new it's ok to respond, but it's just noise generating to say the same things over and over. I have trouble with it too, I know.

Dormio remains wrong.

1. The pro town thing is to post your reads and see if someone in the voting block picks up on them. Explain things well, and it'll probably happen! Further, your intent will become clearer as you post.
2. Scare tactics. This isn't a reason.
3. The fact that this point is the SAME EXACT POINT as point one.

Dormio is stupid and scummy.

Scum don't lie for the sake of lying if they can get away with the truth. Lying attracts bad attention. What reasons do you have to believe Chaore was lying about his targetting? Also, it's virtually certain Kiro is town. Why would you believe Kiro is lying? The scummy discreditation here is hilarious.

[Pesco]

バカバカバカバカバカバカバカバカ Vote Count

Not voting: Everyone

8 alive, 5 votes to lynch.

Lay off on the バカ-calling because the one who calls バカ is the バカ.

[Shadoweh]

I'm pretty sure if I look back Dormio originally believed Kiro was town. Dormio, if you really are so 110% sure, why don't you just vote me now so we can game over now instead of wasting another six days before the next mafia game? If not, why don't you go back to voting Schezo? Why would you unvote him 'just in case' when he's scum in LYLO anyways? Watch, I'll help.

##Vote: Schezo

UK: Sakuya isn't a vampire either, disbelieving it for that reason is silly. You know what I mean anyways,. Actually go back and reread Schezo and tell me where you think his scum intent was, I didn't see any gut vibes from you earlier. I especially want to see this since you think huh what is scum.

[UncertainJakutten]

Sakuya is more likely to be a vampire than Yukari.

I'm not rereading this fucking game again, sorry Shadoweh. I have better things to do with my time. If things don't seem to make sense, I might give it another reread. But right now? Fuck no. Best you'll get is how I feel about D3. And that will be a gut list. I'm done with cases.

[Conqueror]

Cutting in to say that Kiro may have been lying about his role (Watcher doesn't line up with the other powers roles that have flipped), but now that we know he was probably town he probably wasn't lying about seeing someone visit UK. Chaore claimed to have visited UK, and no one else did, meaning that he was probably telling the truth about that little point.

I'll write up a case on Schezo later. For now, I'm working on expanding on what I said at the end of the day yesterday.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Because if it were LYLO, that means that a single town vote means that scum can pile onto that vote to end the day's discussion. Even easier if more than one town person votes for that person.

1. The whole idea of appealing to the voting block, in the hopes that somebody will listen. I hate it.
And the voting block will demotivate the people not inside the block. Yes or no?
2. And you're posting hypothetical reactions. That is not a reason.
3. And I would like you to tell me WHICH PART YOU'RE REFERRING TO WHEN YOU SAY IT'S THE SAME EXACT REASON.

The voting block is stupid and scummy.

Kiro lying, I don't think he really was lying.
Chaore lying on the other hand. Allow me to rephrase and redirect your question at you. What reason would Chaore have to tell the truth?

[Bardiche]

Shadoweh, you want me to tell you why Schezo is scummy? What? OK, well... ┐(-｡ｰ; )┌ He sort of admitted to it when he tried to unilaterally quick-lynch and has since refused to be cooperative? I have no idea what you would like me to state here.

ION I'm fine with lynching him today and just be all blindfolds with regard to who are the scums.

##Vote: Schezo

┐(-｡ｰ; )┌ Mafiers is hard. Yeah, sorry, I just got home, it's 10 past midnight, and I want to sleep cos I have to get up in six hours again. No elaborate cases. Deal with it.

[UncertainJakutten]

And guess what he's doing now? Generating noise with this stupid voting block argument because he's the fat kid that didn't get picked for the team. Dormio is stupid and scummy, and I'm not going to get drawn into your noise vortex of awful. You have no new content in your recent three points.

Telling the truth is less suspicious than lying, and his action of targetting me wasn't objectively scummy. Burden of proof is on you, bucko.

[Bardiche]

to who are the other scums*

Fuck analysis of relation, the Chaore sorta blew up and now I don't know what's what.

[Conqueror]

Can we at least leave him alive for at least 24 hours so everyone who wants to chip in can chip in? >_>

[Shadoweh]

Because if it were LYLO, that means that a single town vote means that scum can pile onto that vote to end the day's discussion. Even easier if more than one town person votes for that person.

Oh no! I hope Schezo's buddy doesn't pile onto him to quicklynch him like Schezo did to Chaore yesterday! :ohdear:
Don't be daft, vote for the scum, as long as we leave him at L-2 he can't hammer himself.

Kiro lying, I don't think he really was lying.
Chaore lying on the other hand. Allow me to rephrase and redirect your question at you. What reason would Chaore have to tell the truth?

Why would scum lie about a town power role clearing him as town? I don't think it would occur to him to lie about something he could actually tell the truth about.

UK: You can't be serious. Okay, not the game. I'm asking you to read Schezo. Is it really too much to ask that you reread THE SCUM? Especially one that was voting for one of your scumpicks?

Bard: *headdesk* Could you please be a little more unhelpful I think I almost got some motive from you there

[Pesco]

Lay off on the バカ-calling because the one who calls バカ is the バカ.

[UncertainJakutten]

Hmm, initially I was going to say ISO reading Schezo was a bad idea because ISOs lend themselves to confirmation bias (I generally only use them to be :lazy:), but, since I already know he's scum, you're right that more can be pulled from his ISO. I'm still not going to make a case on him though. I will read his ISO and tell you if any of my conclusions change.

At some point this evening.

[Bardiche]

Also, from what I remember on the previous day with someone SHADOWEH going all "omg bard wanted to quick-lynch Chaore (one-man quicklynch ahoy) and it'd happen BEFORE WE KNEW WE"D BE IN LYLO OMG!", this is patently silly to hold against me as being scummy because regardless of the MyLo status, lynching Chaore was a necessary step to win the game for Town. There's no real profit a scum!Bard would've had from a mislynch other than the agonising propensity of town to involve itself in silly second-guessing and cocking about when they have scum at the lynch nook.

Talking more isn't going to MAGICALLY PRODUCE scum results ─ because believe it or not, sitting around with confirmed scum in your midst isn't that motivating to looking beyond the obvious wine in front of us.

That said, we should look at associations tomorrow when we're down one more town and scum, and then find out who the last two remaining scum are from there. The recruitee would be hardest, but until we clear out the scums who've claimed there's no sense in making cases on others unless you like posturing like some kind of hippo and dragging time out.

The voting block isn't useful right now because with only two or three mislynches during the entire game, we CANNOT AFFORD treating scum as confirmed town for whatever reason.



Shadoweh lol, I think you're scum, why should I entertain your needs over my own? I could write lovely walls of texts and banter with you about all the game development theories out there, but right now, I want to sleep. ┐(￣ー￣)┌ Problem? Deal with it.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

You know what.
Fuck this game.
I am going to be happy for the next day or whatever.
So you all can be all lurkertastic or whatever the it is you do.

Schezo is the scum. Obvious scum is obvious.
And before I go, UK is the scum. I think that the voting block is a terrible idea, UK maintains that it is a great idea. That sums up what we think about it, what do YOU think?
Chaore heavily defended UK for the LLD wagon. Only God knows why. If Chaore was willing to go to these lengths to defend UK, what stops him from lying to do the same? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A REASON WHY HE CLAIMED SCUM TO GIVE US OUR FLIP OR SOMETHING.
Shadoweh is the scum. Conspiracy theory land tells me that Shadoweh and UK will ride of Schezo/Chaore cred to VICTOLY. Whatever, I'll reread this again tomorrow. I don't like how she treats herself as scum's favorite mislynch, nor do I like how willing you were to go along with the townie voting block idea, nor do I like how you forgot about Chaore until he claimed scum, nor do I like how your first response to me accusing you of being scum today was to put up those ridiculous statements that assume that you are the scum's favorite mislynch.
Finally, I am going to hold onto these opinions unless you can prove beyond a doubt that I'm wrong, or if you provide a more convincing case. Or do both. I recommend doing both.

I really don't give two shits about this right now.
##Vote Schezo
Good day to you all.
I am going to go be happy somewhere else now.

[Shadoweh]

Talking more isn't going to MAGICALLY PRODUCE scum results

And lurking will? We already have the scum. Two scum. We don't need to wait for the flip, we can look around right now. More time is always a boon as long as town is willing to use it. Yes, I think you need to get your reads down now, unless for some reason you're not afraid of dying Bard.

Shadoweh lol, I think you're scum, why should I entertain your needs over my own?

I thought we talked this issues out, Bard. :< Why do you think I'm scum again? You dropped this yesterday.

[Bardiche]

Dormio elegantly sums up why a scum!Shadoweh result is possible.

I'm not afraid of dying because I won't die tonight, herpderp. And not because I'm the scums or any nonsense like that. Inb4 rolefish, no, gtfo.

[UncertainJakutten]

So basically you aren't even going to bother trying to figure out why Chaore would lie, just saying IT'S A THING THAT COULD HAPPEN.

Don't worry, I'm sure it must be irritating to play a game when you get recruited D3 and walk into two of your scumbuddies outing themselves when your initial plan was to coast coast coast .

...Bard suddenly becomes a lot less cool in my book. Rereading D3 should be REALLY interesting.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

You. You are the cause of all my rage. All of it.
"If Chaore was willing to go to these lengths to defend UK, what stops him from lying to do the same?"
HEY.
UK.
WHY WOULD CHAORE TELL THE TRUTH.
IT'S JUST A THING THAT COULD HAPPEN. RIGHT.
OH MY GOD.
LIKE TOTALLY.
HEY FUCK YOU TOO UK.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

BECAUSE LET'S IGNORE THE PART WHERE CHAORE CACKLES ON ABOUT HOW HE'S ALREADY WON ONCE HIS FLIP GETS REVEALED.
OH NO. THAT CAN'T HAVE BEEN RELEVANT TO THE GAME AT ALL.

[UncertainJakutten]

I've provided a lot more support for my stance than you have yours. The fact of the matter is that you generally don't do something like lie about a claim if it's not going to look scummy. Also, if Chaore were lying, why pick me, his supposed scumbuddy? All he does by claiming to target me is make me look like a potential recruit, so it doesn't really give me ~*~magical town cred~*~. So, no, you can't support both that Chaore and I are original scum together AND that Chaore was lying about his targetting, because "Chaore went to such lengths to defend me"

Also, you're very irritating yourself Dormio. I will wisely not go into the many reasons I utterly hate playing with you, at least in this game.

Cut by Dormio: Aaaaaaand? I'm not sure how this is relevant to anything at all?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Spoiler:

Dormio's play is reminding me of the Serial Killer from Darker Than Black.

[Shadoweh]

Dormio hasn't elegantly said anything. He's just reposted the same rant for hours and refused to look any further then ten feet in front of him. I don't care if the rest of you are ready to lose this game, I want to play it out and win. You're not using common sense, Bard. What has Dormio said that makes scum Shadoweh possible, that makes more sense then 'Dormio is lying scum' or 'Dormio is town tunneling on his D3 case for no good reason'?

Dude, chill out. Why wouldn't Chaore tell the truth? Think about how upset Chaore was when we piled on him for wanting to save Kiro. Does it not make sense that he was upset for being lynched over being correct and doing something he thought was townie?

Schezo for winning the hangmafia can you make sure your partner kills me tonight so I can party in the graveyard with you? -.-

[Shadoweh]

In any case I think today has already been good for reads concerning Dormio. Waiting for Conqy, Bard and huh what to share what they think with the rest of the class. Bard, if you don't think Dormio is scum perhaps you should work harder to convince the rest of the townies if you don't want us to lose tomorrow.

[Schezo]

Waiting for people to take guesses at round two!

[WHMZakeri]

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