Night of the Vampire Mafia: Happily Ever After

[Hanged Hourai]

Schezo had disconenct and fencesittng on an opinion of Kiro in his first post, giving room to swing either way on an opinion in the future. The thing on Dormio was weak and left himself to just jump on it if he wanted.

His pushing for his scumpick was very unimpressive and he didn't even update it, borrowing it from D1. Looked like a place to park it. He did not push his scum opinion on Dormio at all, but left himself open to get on a wagon if one arose. Did not push his lynches and coasted. Did not explain his priorities and left himself open without precedent.

Wait, 4 scum?... @_@ Aughhhhhhh

Ok by now my suspicion is mostly divided between UK, Dormio, and Bard.

UK being a bit higher than the other two, for the suspicions I voiced earlier before.

So, uh, HH, are you telling me that 7 pro town people would jump on a town lynch?  With three scum that would mean all of them and two townies stayed off the lynch. This is kind of a thing that would become obvious! And then you bring up something I already addressed, and...accuse me of something that other people are guilty of. I can't explain why claimed scum didn't do a thing. I figured he was just attacking the cases on him because those were things he could attack, but what was he honestly going to say to a gut read? If you look at the thing I linked earlier, scum like cases because it changes it from who is scum to who is the better arguer.

The first part makes no sense at all. What I said was she was starting to clear PX, but still wanted as many people as possible on the town wagon. The second thing is handwavy. Just because you mentioned how you added speed to all the big wagons D1 and 2 in passing doesn't make it any less scummy. And what am I accusing you of that other people did?  Making up intentions for Chaore, dismissing it as "what could he do?" looks bad as scum could easily say something to a gut vote, even if only mentioning it. And the thing with the link is what. You get cleared because scum didn't want to argue with you? Scum tend to not want to argue with buddies too.

Shadoweh, :<.  If I'm original scum, are you saying I'm superbusser extraordinare? Lining up my buddies by my second post and selling them down the river?

Gonna get this post out there TM

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

"Oh, you opened up D3 with a Schezo case that you didn't really do anything with."
That's weird because you barely mentioned Schezo during D1&2 at all.

[Shadoweh]

Shadoweh, :<.  If I'm original scum, are you saying I'm superbusser extraordinare? Lining up my buddies by my second post and selling them down the river?

honk honk

Dormio: Which of these scenarios is more likely?

A) There were three scum wagons on Day 3
B) Scum recruited their most likely D3 mislynch
C) Shadoweh is town for being the counterwagon to two, two scum, ah ah ah ah

So you're being silly, go make a case on Schezo please.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

So you're being silly, go make a case on Schezo please.

The question remains. Why?
Why do you insist that town should waste their efforts on reproving that somebody that's done all but claim scum is scum?

And I have no idea what you're trying to get at with your three scenario thing.
Can you explain to me what you're trying to imply through your scenarios A/B/C?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

What if Schezo is a third party, and we're actually dealing three scum + a survivor? It seems odd to me that he would not have been able to arrange a quickhammer with his buddies yesterday.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Well, two scum + a survivor, since Chaore died.

[Shadoweh]

The question remains. Why?
Why do you insist that town should waste their efforts on reproving that somebody that's done all but claim scum is scum?

Because it would be fun! :toot: Go on, try it. You already know he's scum, so it shouldn't be hard to find something, right?

[quoteAnd I have no idea what you're trying to get at with your three scenario thing.
Can you explain to me what you're trying to imply through your scenarios A/B/C?
[/quote]
I'm implying you're being a derp. Shadoweh cases are a thing of the past.
Incidentally I laid out my suspects yesterday, they are Bard, you and Hourai silly! huh what gets added back as possible original sin, if not recruited.

Re: Survivor Schezo. Why on earth would he try to hammer his scumpartner as a survivor silly? The level of town activity afterwards was 5%, I'm not surprised they took the time to plot with Chaore instead.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Fine, I'll bite in regards to Schezo.
He's spamming up the topic with his hangmafia thing.

Can you explain how that makes me a derp?
Making another post.

[Shadoweh]

Haha, no, I mean a real case looking at his past posts.
HH shouldn't forget to address the Day 3 Schezoz posts either.

It makes you a derp because you're implying amazing levels of town intuition on Day 3 that are sorely lacking. But I'll pretend what you're saying has merit. How was I 'not doing anything' with my Schezo case that I was pushing?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I like how you're not answering me.
For Durrmio's sake, care to explain how those three scenarios show that I'm a derp?
And why do you want us to waste our efforts so on building a case on Schezo? Seriously, explain to me why.
Because, I mean, it's like, come on. He's freaking spamming hangmafia in the topic. Obstruction from caught scum etc. etc.

Oh, I missed #624 somehow, huh? Whatever.
I like how you ignore the thing about your shift in opinion regarding the voting block.
Also, #834. According to your numbers, four scum, right? Chaore is one. Bard, me, and HH, right? Care to state what you think about aforementioned cases?

[Shadoweh]

The first two scenarios are what you are implying, that all three of the choices being bandied around seriously yesterday were scum. You're also implying that I called attention to my scummy scum-buddy that everyone else had forgotten was playing because.. I'm telling you the third one is the truth and your pursuit of me isn't town-intended. Let go and make more cases on scum.

I'm not going to explain why, how about you go do it? If you want a reason consider it a study of finding scum intent. Maybe Schezo will refute your words?

Yeah, my opinion changed a little since yesterday. Something neat happened. You see, I remembered I'm actually good at mafia and believe in bringing all the town together to a motivated whole. Using the word voting block implies people get left out, but I'm preeetty sure the whole of town is going to back me up on this one. You're ignoring that you lost your previous point against me and just pushing me for the sake of staying on me. Who else is scum?

Bard: I think he should get in here soon and answer my question. Then he can make a case on Scumzo and whoever else he postulates is scum right now.
You: Your inability to sense the trends in opinion doesn't make me think highly of you right now.
Hanged Hourai: It honestly could be paranoia. I'm effectively saying we should lynch someone for being good at mafia. It's a matter of asking how honest I think his previous cases were.

Huh whatty: I see you there, please to be fulfilling my Impossible Request.

Schezo: M N

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Who else is scum?

To reiterate.
I think that UK and Schezo are scum, I think Shadoweh was recruited.

Schezo, there's nothing I need to say.
UK, I made my case, let's see UK's response whenever UK comes around.
And you.

You're ignoring that you lost your previous point against me and just pushing me for the sake of staying on me.

And you're trying to invalidate what I'm saying just because I made a mistake.
I like how you're trying to make it sound like I'm focused purely on you.
Yes, all of my posts right now are directed at you. You're around, other people aren't. I wonder if there's a correlation between the two.

And, what, am I to understand that you're trying to convince us of Schezo being town aligned?

Also, in regards to the scenario thing.
So you're calling yourself scum's preferred mislynch, as well as a viable wagon yesterday?

[Shadoweh]

Schezo, there's nothing I need to say.
UK, I made my case, let's see UK's response whenever UK comes around.
And you.

You have got to have suspicions of more people, Dormio. Your focus is too small. If you can't tell me why anyone else is scum, tell me what's convinced you that four other suspicious people are town. I believe I already asked you to give an opinion on everyone with reasoning. Your gut is either broken or you don't have one because yo' be scummin' it up.

And, what, am I to understand that you're trying to convince us of Schezo being town aligned?

Well he DID post that convincing Shadoweh case..

Also, in regards to the scenario thing.
So you're calling yourself scum's preferred mislynch, as well as a viable wagon yesterday?

Yesterday? It was certainly the truth, according to the votes and the spoken suspicions. I think it's possible a wagon could have swung onto me.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

You have got to have suspicions of more people, Dormio. Your focus is too small. If you can't tell me why anyone else is scum, tell me what's convinced you that four other suspicious people are town. I believe I already asked you to give an opinion on everyone with reasoning. Your gut is either broken or you don't have one because yo' be scummin' it up.

Hey, Shadoweh, I think you need to be suspicious of more people. Your focus is to small. Can you tell me what scummy things everybody else has been doing so that I can take these points and see if I can make a case out of it? Alternatively, can you tell me who you think is town so I can see who everybody thinks is town and avoid making a case on them that will make me look stupid?

Well he DID post that convincing Shadoweh case..

You serious?
I like how you've shifted your opinion regarding Schezo.
I mean, you barely mention him at all until you open up your D3 with a case on him.
And then you keep pushing him as scum during D3.
Then you express doubt of Schezo being scum for whatever reason during end D3 and now you're suggesting that he's not scum. <- Finding links right now.

Yesterday? It was certainly the truth, according to the votes and the spoken suspicions. I think it's possible a wagon could have swung onto me.

Wat.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Schezo is scum -> Schezo might not have been scum but apparently he claimed scum -> Schezo isn't scum again

[Shadoweh]

Apparently your sarcasm meter is broken too. :< Stop fighting me for the sake of fighting me and be pro-town, Dormio. Answer my questions seriously, stop dodging by accusing me more.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Make a case on Schezo? If his actions with Chaore at end D3 didn't prove that he was scum, then his current actions definitely have.
Who is scum? Schezo, UK, and you!
What else did you want from me?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also, brush aside what I say and just throw an insult my way.
Taking a leaf out of UK's book, are we?

[Shadoweh]

Dormio. I am in a unique position to know you are wrong. Therefore I am not going to be satisfied until you present an alternative scumpick that has a chance of actually being scum. You refuse to post a case looking over Schezo's old actions. You refuse to even consider the other players right now. You keep dodging my questions. I am being completely serious with you. Make a real case on Schezo. Explain your reasoning for everyone that isn't UK and myself being town since you're so convinced. Explain how you still have a case on me at all.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I think that the other people are town because you, UK, and Schezo are scum.
If you want to convince me otherwise, go make a case on whoever you think is scum instead of trying to poke holes in my case. Or do both. In fact, it's even better if you can do both.
Schezo is not acting in town's interests right now, and has not been pretending to make an effort at all after he was routed as scum.
Schezo has been missing during important moments.
Like Chaore, defends the people on the LLD wagon.
Also, you believe Kiro's claim of watcher, right? And LLD was our cop. So. How do you know for certain that Schezo is town?

I think, considering how much you call for other people to give their opinions, you're being awfully hypocritical.
You're the self-proclaimed scum's favorite mislynch, why would you even try to use this argument? It just calls in a bunch of WIFOM or something, doesn't it?

Yes, I am convinced I am right. If you think I am not right, instead of saying that I am wrong, SHOW me why I'm wrong.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

instead of just*

[Shadoweh]

>.> This is why I said your sarcasmometer is broken. Schezo is scum.

And as far as opinions go I like hypocracy. I've already made my scum choices and I'm waiting for answers. And a post from huh what. @_@ But I have to argue with you. You're either scum or a townie that wants to vote for me in LYLO and I can't have that. I'm sure as hell not getting town vibes from your overdefensive OMGUSing under pressure. Let's try this again. Make a case on Schezo so I can examine your reasoning. Explain to me YOUR reasoning why everyone else is cleared, in words that make it sound like you actually read their posts. Because my scum picks are scum is not reasoning. It makes you sound like you just don't want to because :words:

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

>.> This is why I said your sarcasmometer is broken. Schezo is scum.

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I told you, I think Schezo is scum due to his late D3 and activity today.
And I'm clearing everybody else because I think that you, Schezo, and UK are the scum. And one more scum would mean that town has already lost. Process of elimination, yo.
And, no, I don't plan on voting for you today. Confirmed scum over person-that-I'm-almost-certain-is-scum.
Though, it would be nice if people other than you and I posted stuff.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

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You keep telling people to renew their case on Schezo, then when I ask you if you're defending Schezo, you say that "he did have that case on you...", and then I thought that your "I know you're wrong" was in regards to Schezo and stop bullying me just because I'm bad at english.

[Affinity]

Yes, actually, it's still a MyLO.  Yet another mod mistake.

No votes yet.

[edible]I blame Pesco.[/edible]

[Schezo]

<Edible> I blame Pesco.

You too? :V


If you ask really nicely, I might tell you where you may be wrong. :3


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9 alive 3 scum

Dead Townies: W E

[Pesco]

A meeting needs to be held to discuss MyLo vs LyLo.

[Shadoweh]

Wow arguing with Dormio by myself sure is fun. I sure hope no one else posts.
I'm talking about you wanting to vote me tomorrow. Today is already going to end in Schezo lynching, there aren't other choices. But you seriously have got to read the rest of Schezo's posts to find the other scum.
Or, yknow, notice that his Day 3 was not friendly to me, that would be cool too.
Process of elimination works the other way around. You find the scum by figuring out who the town are, you don't find the town by figuring out the scum. Everyone has something scummy they've done if you look hard enough.

MyLo vs LyLo: Oh whichever. The vigilante doctor just died, I'm assuming they mean we can no-lynch without losing. Still looking for 2 scum.

Schezo: P H A die obvscum

[Schezo]

P H A N T A S M

6 alive 0 scum!

Dead Townies: W E

Ok so now the rest of you play.



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13 alive 5 scum

Dead townies: Only Zakeri who fought bravely last night.

[UncertainJakutten]

All right, let's see what fresh hell I missed here. Suppose I should have said something but all this week I will be working from 9 AM to 5 PM so I can afford Otakon. Meaning I'll only be posting between about now and 12 AM. Wish I could do better but we'll both have to deal with this I guess!

Dormio is proposing the laughable notion of a town voting block being a bad idea, by misrepresenting it, using scare tactics, and overall being awful. He would be the recruit though, so that's ok. It's natural he fears a town voting block because he knows that it will destroy scum. Let us address the points

1. No, it doesn't. I explicitly said I wanted input from everyone even after the voting block was set because we cannot work in a vacuum.
2. Yes, I would SO get away with that. You do realize that if I tried that, the other people in the voting block would basically say "Uh, no. UK, you're not in the voting block anymore". That's kind of how it works, you know.
3. Wrong, due to point one. Also, it's cute of you to repeat points in different ways to make your anti voting block stance look better.

So, no, I'm afraid that it is your arguments against the voting block that are stupid, Dormio. The rest of your post isn't worth reading for about the reason HW brings up a few posts later.

@Shadoweh: I would guess Zak didn't kill Schezo because it would treestump him, unless I'm misunderstanding his role. And since he was obvscum after the vig, there was no gain in treestumping himself just to kill today's lynch. No idea why he didn't protect himself. Secondly, Dormio, while he should be listened to so we can find his buddy, is not town. I get what you're saying, and given the vast improvement in our situation, I see no need to form a formal voting block anymore. That said, narrowing the people who decide the lynch directly is an important tool when town isn't getting itself together. Thirdly, I never promised post analysis, I promised to reread D3 and say a bunch of names I liked and didn't like. I haven't actually done that yet and I'm not sure how much I feel like doing so. I still may try though. It's ok though, because Dormio is recruit scum.

@Hourai: Explain how adding speed to wagons is at all scummy, when at the time I was convinced of scum intent on each of them. The ONLY questionable wagon support was continuing to push PX after I was starting to feel he was town, and even that was so we'd get a damned majority lynch. MAJORITY LYNCHES GIVE INFORMATION. I also never said I was cleared, I merely said scum like cases because it becomes a game of "who is the better arguer", not "who is scum". And actually, scum tend not to argue with me because of what happened to PX and Dormio earlier in the day, but that's a different discussion.

So, tell me, am I scum, or are you just going to keep theorizing about stuff that can't really be perceived as scum intended?

@HW: You look all kinds of fucking awful for even proposing Schezo as a third party. WHY WOULD THAT EVEN MATTER!?

@Dormio: Well, when you're being as absolutely scummy  as you're being...

Shadoweh is town, but you're wasting your time with Dormio and adding noise to the thread. Stop humoring his awful. If he brings something new to the table, sure, respond, but you're going in circles right now.

Anyway, first blush is Dormio recruit, HW scum. I'll look over D3 at some point this evening.