Author Topic: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Happily Ever After (Read 133355 times)

Kiro · « **Reply #540 on:** June 22, 2011, 01:45:33 PM »

This is nuts. I claim Kaguya, Town Watcher. Loves drinking sake and moon viewing. I watched UK Night 1. Someone actually visited her, but I don't believe that person to be Scum.

Chaore · « **Reply #541 on:** June 22, 2011, 01:47:14 PM »

@shadoweh: I think that's a misunderstanding- I never claimed Dormio knew that LLD would flip town, simply that LLD did flip town and that's what he left us with.

What the fuck is wrong with all of you and why is there a wagon on Kiro.

I...am not sure what to say. This entire thing blows me away and what?

@shadowehcut: kiro is probably still asleep. WHY ARE WE LYNCHING A MAN WHO HAS PROBABLY TURNED IN FOR THE NIGHT AND WHAT THE CHRIST.

I'm still baffled- Especially because a deal of HW's post is devoted to a PX/Kiro scumteam.

@kirocut: oh what the fuck NO WE ARE NOT LYNCHING KIRO RIGHT THIS INSTANT NO NO NO NO NO TURN THIS WAGON AROUND WHAT THE CHRIST

PX · « **Reply #542 on:** June 22, 2011, 01:48:35 PM »

I woke up and

THE CUTS, WHAT IS HAPPENED?! STOP STEALING MY KNIVES!!!

Shadoweh · « **Reply #543 on:** June 22, 2011, 01:49:55 PM »

I don't like your claim for a similar reason to PX, but lucky you I'm here to hate you both. How do you feel about PX over not-you, Kiro? How do the other people YES I KNOW YOU'RE THERE PEOPLE feel about their votes where they are?

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #544 on:** June 22, 2011, 01:50:25 PM »

My brain.
It hurts.
I don't even.
What is.
Oh my.
What.
asfraergaergfaeteawfrqegtfqgdavadsfd

Chaore · « **Reply #545 on:** June 22, 2011, 01:52:15 PM »

##Unvote, ##Vote: PX

I believe Kiro's claim and would like to have this wagon turned the fuck around for PX. This should basically sum up everything I have to say about this.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #546 on:** June 22, 2011, 01:53:01 PM »

Why would you-
I don't-
Kiro is-
PX should-
My brain-
I DON'T UNDERSTAND A THING THAT'S GOING ON AND GOOD RIDDANCE.
I AM GOING TO SLEEP, SCREW YOU ALL.

Kiro · « **Reply #547 on:** June 22, 2011, 01:53:15 PM »

Well, I can do PX over me. I guess that's the only other option since HW wagon has dissipated. 2 more pages coming in during late night USA, I was floored.

##Unvote Huh What
##Vote PX

Pesco · « **Reply #548 on:** June 22, 2011, 01:55:01 PM »

VOTE COUNT

PX (4) - UK, Dormio, Chaore, Kiro
Kiro (5) - Zakeri, Shadoweh, Huhwhat, Conqueror, Bardiche
huh what (2) - Schezo, PX
Chaore (1) - Hourai
Schezo (1) - CaptH

Not voting: None

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Deadline in 2 minutes

Kiro · « **Reply #549 on:** June 22, 2011, 01:56:13 PM »

Wow, this sure is gonna be something. Assuming I'm still alive in Day 3, I will have comments on peoples.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #550 on:** June 22, 2011, 01:56:46 PM »

hat's a shame since I want to lynch Schezo for being here right now and all night and not saying a thing about anything but oh well. Schezo when tomorrow starts you better have a post telling us why the hell you haven't said anything all night because i am so grrface at you

that will probably make less sense in the aferermorning

##Unvote
##Vote: PX

Pesco · « **Reply #551 on:** June 22, 2011, 02:01:52 PM »

End of Day 2 VOTE COUNT

PX (5) - UK, Dormio, Chaore, Kiro, Shadoweh
Kiro (4) - Zakeri, Huhwhat, Conqueror, Bardiche
huh what (2) - Schezo, PX
Chaore (1) - Hourai
Schezo (1) - CaptH

Not voting: None

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

PX - Sakuya, Town Night Hunter. Attempts of town to ascertain her role after her death have been foiled, but all people know are that she was a vampire who wanted to help the Human Village. It is now Night 2.

Night is 24 hours.

Affinity · « **Reply #552 on:** June 23, 2011, 02:14:53 PM »

The land was basked in red last night, as the full moon held high, casting the shadow of the Scarlet Devil Mansion onto the populace of the Human Village. After such disastrous attempts at trying to lynch scum, town slept miserably and frightfully in great fear of their torturers. A scream was heard, followed by another; but all town could do was to hole themselves up in bed and hope for the best.

After a long, long night of deeds, a cockerel sounded the coming of dawn; the moon still eerily crimson as it faded into the background. The atmosphere was such that the ceremony was successful, and someone was turned into a vanilla vampire goon last night; everyone was experienced enough to know this much.

Amidst all the fog, the body of Kiro, Kaguya Houraisan was found, maimed cruelly beyond all comprehension, such that nothing about her role or alignment could be found.

===

It is now Day 3. You have 72 hours. Voting for no lynch is now permitted. Deadline is on 26 June, 1430 hrs GMT +0. With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Since Dorian is not willing to play the game any further, and capt.h has to go somewhere towards the end of Day 3, he will probably be modkilled very soon (since I do not want more than 3 people playing the same character). If this is so, the day will still continue even after capt.h's flip.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #553 on:** June 23, 2011, 02:16:29 PM »

EVERYTHING I KNOW IS A LIE.
EVERYTHING.
A LIE.
I AM NOW OF THE OPINION THAT SHADOWEH IS SCUM.

"Also, UK, RE: Voting PX. Not going to happen from me. I understand why you want a solid wagon but I want a solid SCUM wagon." (#463) -> #498 "I don't like PX and Kiro, but let's put a vote on PX."
You basically start sitting on the fence on the two, and this is apparent in your voteswitches from PX to Kiro to PX again.
Also, in the midst of deadline panic, you weren't even really looking at the wagons.
Instead, in #535, you started talking about future days, as if you didn't care at all about who got lynched today.
Not to mention that you're also stating the obvious, there. And that nobody was even talking about it at that time.
Was that an attempt to stop us from thinking about the wagons?
And, to restate, I have no idea what the hell you were thinking during that deadline.
I mean, it's like. #491 "GUYS LET'S LYNCH KIRO" -> #498 "GUYS LET'S LYNCH PX OR KIRO" -> #509 "GUYS LET'S LYNCH KIRO" -> #528 "KIRO IS REALLY SCUMMY GUYS" -> #550 GUYS I'M GOING TO GUARANTEE PX'S LYNCH."
Like, seriously.
The way I see it, throughout the entire deadline rush, you seemed like you were going to go for the Kiro lynch, yet you seal the lynch on PX at the last second.
Let me take a quote from your #311. What the hell were you thinking?!
I'd also like to tack on Bardiche's #485 to my argument.

##Vote Shadoweh

Shadoweh · « **Reply #554 on:** June 23, 2011, 02:50:12 PM »

It's mooooooorning and I've been staring at these posts for over 10 hours wheeee

##VOTE SCHEZO

Boy Schezo sure is easy to read since he only has four posts. post #159 Starts off Schezo's thoughts:
- huh what's post 64 is a loaded question
- huh what gave UK a townie read which is plausable and makes Schezo uneasy.
- huh what's post 144 and the obviously trend is backtracking and he waffled hugely on Bard.
- Kiro is right about pages 2-5 being incomplete and his 154 clears up some stuff.
- Will buy Dormio case after huh what
Perhaps I would no have so much of a problem with this if I didn't go to his next post, post #205 looking for more opinions and find he's just saying the same thing over. I don't see any new info in this post. UK asked Schezo to
explain why he thought she made logical sense, and his answer is 'every front but Kiro'. He doesn't provide an example of why he thinks UK is logical. It annoys me that this is his last post of the day, considering his wagon fell and it sounds like he would have voted Dormio, except he didn't. He also doesn't comment on Lambda despite addressing something she asked of him.

Here at post #326 is his day opener. There is no notice that a lynch went through or that anything weird happened because this post is just a repeat of his earlier posts and their points. Hate the question in #64, wants UK to link hom to Kiro because he doesn't understand the reasoning on it, tunnels on huh what scum now with Dormio as his buddy! He doesn't link to anything new on huh whatty, just says he's not impressed, links old posts and votes. I highly dislike how little your opinion has changed and how little doubt you have.

Finally at post #418 he mentioneds the LLD wagon. I'm not sure what this explanation means actually. It made you uneasy but you would vote for her? Your updated huh what case doesn't make sense to me. The point about UK's stange spat with huh what lacks you actually giving an opinion on it. Your clear of Dormio is based on your own meta, which only works for you so yeah. And I've already mentioned what I think about "PX: Oh God, fuck it. I'll reread him and the cases on him in a minute, I'll just post this first." followed by SILENCE. And the silence is extra damning from last night when there were lynches all over the place and you could not bother to show up and push people on/off PX who you might have thought was scum, I don't know though since you didn't say.

Questions:

What about huh what's posts were backtracking on point in post #64?
What was UK saying that made 'logical' sense and why?
Why weren't you voting for Dormio at the end of Day 1?
Why weren't you voting for Lambdadelta?

Do you believe Lambda was a good lynch?
"He then does a strange spat with UK about holding LLD to something over calling Hourai town when UK and LLD were the only ones who had so far and LLD was the only one to get scrutiny." Can you clarify what this means?
What did you think of the PX wagon, and comment on huh what and Kiro's wagons as well please.
Why didn't you post at deadline or close to before deadline, pointing to your case on huh what? Your wagon didn't go through twice. How does this make you feel?

And of course, my favorite?

Who do you think is scum now and why?

I am totally passing out as I write this case up so no I won't be responding anytime soon sorry this is all of your faults for sleeping in at deadline! Though someone was rude and cut me. I'm not even sure what you're accusing me of. You didn't say much about what you thought at the time, Dormio. My statement was an attempt to start some conversation since people were being quiet, as well as get my thoughts out on recruitment before it looked like I was defending my own recruitment today. How was that stating the obvious and why didn't you say as much before someone flipped?

Bardiche · « **Reply #555 on:** June 23, 2011, 03:06:38 PM »

I'd vote Kiro now but someone dropped him so instead I'll glare at Chaore and Shadoweh and ask them what for fuck's sake possessed them to think that a second investigative role would be both present and UNDER NO THREAT OF ANYTHING, least of all being transformed into a scum goon by the scums. I am sure that ninja lynching PX without giving him time to even understand that he was going to be lynched and thus NOT A SINGLE CLUE THAT HE SHOULD CLAIM was way better than Kiro's role. In fact, how the hell did Kiro's role imply scum!PX. I don't know what the hell were you two thinking.

Everyone's goddamn scum in this game. For all the same reasons as yesterday and her baffling conduct at lynch crunch: ##Vote: Shadoweh

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #556 on:** June 23, 2011, 03:17:37 PM »

Why?
Why?
Why

do you people

INSIST

on lynching

my strongest town reads?

The worst part is, assuming Kiro isn't a Yakuza, and really was claiming his real role, we have no reason to believe anything he would say today. All we would have on his word was that someone targeted UK night one, and that whoever did was probably town. Anything would have been subject to the possibility that he was now scum and lying about his targets. PX on the other hand, notable for not being a strong scumhunter, and for being the top wagon of the day, would have stayed not-scum because he would have been the last person anyone would have chosen all game.

##Vote: Chaore

You were the one who took the reigns of the bandwagon. Tell me what exactly you thought about Kiro's role that, considering there was going to be an alignment flip last night, made him less worthy of a lynch than PX?

Here's an even better question. Not once in any of your posts all game mention Huhwhat. Your vote could have been used to indict either of them, so please tell me: Why are you not Scum buddies with Huh what?

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #557 on:** June 23, 2011, 04:25:40 PM »

OK. So, those reads. The first thing I did was split everyone into two parts. Those that posted before confirmation and those that didn't. I did not count K4U as posting before confirmation, since all she posted was she was irritated at us doing it.

Secondly, I am convinced that there is one scum in each group. Rather, one original scum. To be honest, I'd need to see the flip of one of the original scum to determine who gets marked.

Thirdly, I got together what I thought of everyone in these groups.

Bardiche: Fairly sure he's town
UncertainKitten: Obv scum, kill it with fire.
Dormio: Leaning tunneled town at this point. (I originally could not read him because I was too livid.)
Shadoweh: Fairly sure she's town.
huhwhat: Kind of bad for the forced reads with only 5 posters, and that one spat of defensiveness. I'd have lynched him over PX.
PX: Flipped town.
Zakeri: Still fairly sure he's town. Will have a question for him later.
Dorian/CaptH: I do not remember a damn thing about this person. He needs to fix that.
---
Schezo: I do not remember a damn thing about this person. He needs to fix that.
Hanged Hourai: I vaguely remember weirdness with HW. Beyond that I don't see many issues.
K4U/Conqueror: Fairly sure he/she's town.
Lady Lamdadelta: Flipped town
Kiro Flipped unknown. About the only issue I could have with him is doing exactly what he said scum would do if run to near lynch. To try to assume he's scum based only on that would be batshit insane.
Chaore: The dramatic reveal. I've had a gut scum read on Chaore after I calmed down from my Dormio spat. And it refuses to go the fuck away.

##Vote Chaore

Given how lovely my ~*~logical~*~ reads have gone, I think I'm going to try this gut thing. (I will try to form a better case on him after I work today, but for now you get GUT =D!)

Going to note all my town reads are "not originally scum" reads at this point.

Reading the clusterfuck of yesterday...I'm not even sure what to think. I think most of the wagon information is shot given the whole ~*~desperation to lynch~*~ stuff.

Zak: Why are you dropping me? What changed between our last spat and now that changes your read of me?
Schezo: Tell me clearly who you think is scum and why!
capt. h.: Tell me clearly who you think is scum and why!

capt. h · « **Reply #558 on:** June 23, 2011, 05:19:48 PM »

I'll get all of my reads out tonight.

Anyone else notice that Kiro's death contradicts what we were told about the rules? That recruitment would take the place of a NK on night 2?

Chaore · « **Reply #559 on:** June 23, 2011, 05:20:23 PM »

@Bard: Oh simple. We just lucked out and turned out to have a second investigative role. Why the fuck DO YOU THINK I WOULD LET YOU IDIOTS LYNCH HIM. I admit I may not have thought this all the way through, and we may have easily lost it to the convert, but it was 9 Am and you people decided to lynch the fucking Watcher. No, No I am not going to just sit by and say 'This is a great idea, All hail Kiro lynch!' I am going to panic and want someone else dead. Shadoweh -literally- said 'PX over Kiro', so I assumed if I had any chance of keeping this from happening, Shadoweh wanted a PX lynch. I didn't particularly consider him townie in the first place, so I honestly had no reservation about throwing his ass out.

Oh. And he did claim. Right here in #481. You can take your logic and shove it since you voted for Kiro to die when he wasn't even around and may not have been on in time to claim, and would especially not be on to claim in any large crowd. If I hadn't woken up early his claim would've normally done -dickens- to save him. What the fuck were you all thinking?

@Zakeri: I'm blown away that your post is actually serious.

No, PX was not notable for being a strong scum hunter. If he was a strong scum hunter he would've -never actually been a viable wagon choice-. I think you -drastically- overestimate the amount of people who seriously were about to say 'Well gee, PX has satisfied all my issues with him and I believe he is very strongly townie'. PX would've been a viable mislynch for a good long while, if ever not.

I will admit it probably would've been rather difficult to actually keep you idiots from trying to lynch him again, but he was our -second fucking investigative role- and I don't think we're going to get much luckier with investigative roles than we already have. I think if anything, in hindsight, I would've probably failed and we end up with a lynched watcher, but we would've had time to get his fullclaim and know more, and possibly a second result.

PX on the other hand was claiming vanilla, had not done anything to actually prove himself and was -still a viable wagon for a god damn reason- and I've said I've wanted him dead for a while now. This is the man who outright told us to ignore a wagon that flipped town that he was on. PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY I WAS GOING TO KILL A POWER ROLE I BELIEVED, ON A PLAYER I HAD CONSTANTLY SAID FLIPPED NO FLAGS FOR ME, OVER HIM.

I'll ask a better question, why using your own current logic for indicting Huhwhat as my possible scum buddy, would PX not be a possible scumbuddy if I voted Huhwhat instead? You are literally saying because I chose PX over Huhwhat, Huhwhat clearly must be my scumbuddy. Zakeri this is not explaining why Huhwhat -must- be my scumbuddy to choose PX over Huhwhat. Why would I choose PX over Huhwhat, when I've literally said I wanted PX dead for most of the game so far.

No, you're 'He was a strong scum hunter and clearly town' bit does not count for an answer. I want you to tell me why it makes more sense for me to have chosen Huhwhat instead of PX.

Also, I believe you all want to know -why- I believed Kiro. I targeted UK on Night 1. Therefore I knew Kiro was telling the truth about at least his role. It may have been a bit hasty of me, but I believed that knowing that he wasn't lying and that he was indeed a watcher was enough reason for me to try and save him.

Bardiche · « **Reply #560 on:** June 23, 2011, 05:38:32 PM »

Quote from: Chaore on June 23, 2011, 05:20:23 PM

@Bard: Oh simple. We just lucked out and turned out to have a second investigative role. Why the fuck DO YOU THINK I WOULD LET YOU IDIOTS LYNCH HIM.

Because scum'd probably do something to him anyway, there was a reason a majority was on him at that time and we already had a confirmed Cop, not to mention none of those who remained on his wagon even knew he had a role to begin with?

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I admit I may not have thought this all the way through, and we may have easily lost it to the convert, but it was 9 Am and you people decided to lynch the fucking Watcher.

Yes, this is absolutely right. We all sat together and figured, "Hey Kiro must be a watcher even though he hasn't claimed anything, let's lynch him!

" We decided to lynch someone scummy, go baww.

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Oh. And he did claim. Right here in #481. You can take your logic and shove it since you voted for Kiro to die when he wasn't even around and may not have been on in time to claim, and would especially not be on to claim in any large crowd. If I hadn't woken up early his claim would've normally done -dickens- to save him. What the fuck were you all thinking?

Kiro already said he'd be around for deadline, what was to make us think he wouldn't be? Yeah, whooptiedoo, PX claimed vanilla in a malestrom of posts. Doesn't validate that ninjalynches are the townest. Because they're not.

So anyway, Chaore x Shadoweh scum OTP then. I'll lynch either of the two. They're both scum to me for these shenanigans, and Chaore pretending the wagon was made on basis that Kiro was a Watcher ("you all decided to lynch the watcher", really?) is both delusional and derp. I can't even begin to reason why EITHER town or scum would do it but if I had to guess, it's scum trying to throw up clout to cconfuse people.

We have a third scum in our midst anyway.

Capt H, that probably means there's either a scum with a second kill ability, a town vig or an ITP killer. Carry on, don't speculate the roles and get to crunching the scums.

Bardiche · « **Reply #561 on:** June 23, 2011, 05:55:46 PM »

Also, you discredit PX's request to stop looking at the Lambda wagon as he reasoned out why he thought scum was not necessarily on it: he stated quite plainly that since there was no need to get a hammer, scum did not need to get on a popular wagon and dirty themselves. They could stay on someone for good reasons, disappear, and look deadline does it all.

As it has done now. We haven't had a real lynch yet because they're all supported by less than half of town rather than half of town. Our position is incredibly fragile, especially due to the alignment swapping roles.

You know what, fuckit. ##Unvote There's something more important to do here than grill Chaore and Shadoweh immediately, because for all that I think their actions were thoughtless they couldn't just lynch PX without some supporters on the PX train, so I'd like those people to restate why they felt their vote was best served on the PX wagon.

And near the end of D3? I want to see. A fucking. Hammer. On scum.

I'd like Chaore to restate his reasons for saving Kiro, and why he felt Kiro was absolutely a Town Watcher, and not a Scum Watcher or anything of the sort. Kiro could have been anything, for his role hasn't flipped, nor his alignment. Let's for ease of argument assume he was indeed a Watcher. Why did you feel Kiro was most likely to be a Town Watcher despite a Cop having been shown to be in the game? A Watcher could undo Scum's game by finding them out, which means we would have had two people capable of catching scum by sole virtue of role in this game.

Bardiche · « **Reply #562 on:** June 23, 2011, 05:57:20 PM »

Also this has to be the most anti-town flip I've ever seen. No information whatsoever?

Huh What are you responsible for this.

Bardiche · « **Reply #563 on:** June 23, 2011, 06:00:46 PM »

Ignore the above, ugh, mustn't fish for it. I trust whoever's responsible will let us know later.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #564 on:** June 23, 2011, 06:11:15 PM »

I'm not responsible for it. I was thinking we could have lynched Kiro today, but no, apparently he had to die to the fucking JANITOR VIGILANTE.

I find it to be the most likely that scum did it, regardless of Kiro's alignment, just to leave us puzzled for the rest of the game. @_@

Hanged Hourai · « **Reply #565 on:** June 23, 2011, 06:25:07 PM »

##Vote: Chaore

Well now I just want to see him hang even more.

But let us go over my case on him once more, hmm?

Opened up D2 without a vote on either of his suspects. This is scummy because he did not put an action to back up his words. When asked about this, he said he wanted to see their responses before voting. I feel this is not townie because he could have easily placed his vote and changed it if his opinion changed. His action is scummy because he took a wait-and-see approach before actually deciding on his pick.

He has not voiced suspicion outside of PX and Dormio. This is scummy because he's leaving himself to pursue anybody without precedent, and we have no idea what he's going to do.

UK, may I get clarification on this? It feels like a little disconnect and an explanation would be nice.

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As for PX, I was convinced of PX scum. That's slowly been changing because I keep thinking about it and while there's a lot of derp, I keep missing the scum outside of a possibly counterwagon maneuver. However, I also notice we have about 10 hours left in the day. I know what happened LAST time we had 10 hours left in the day. So, I'm not going to let that be a thing.

At this point, you still have your vote on him, but your attention had mostly been on other people at this point. If you were beginning to think he wasn't scum, why did you keep your vote on him?

Hey Schezo, remember that thing where I said you were passive in your case, we didn't know your priorities, and I wanted another post explaining this? It's still a thing and I still want you to address this. Your vote reeks of just parking it somewhere and coasting by. I am okay with lynching Schezo. You also never got around to that actual opinion of Kiro, and now anything you say would be biased. This makes me sad.

Oh, Chaore reply. Mhmmm. And since you want really badly to not be lynched today, who is the scum and where is the hunting? We still don't know who you think is scum or who you have suspicions of outside of 1 person, and we don't even know if your opinion on him has changed. I would not be surprised if this is a distancing attempt. Hunt. Find scum.

I'm going to get this post out there with my initial opinions. More on others later.

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #566 on:** June 23, 2011, 06:26:46 PM »

@UncertainKitten There's a lot that has changed, though I admit, I still don't think highly of you.

Scum do not have a nightkill night 2, this is Mod confirmed. The only reason I could think of for Affinity to go back on this is if we somehow nullified the scum's ability to recruit, which obviously did not happen with town's refusal to lynch scum. So, there are two explanations. The first is that we have a Town Nightvig janitor who somehow thought shooting the Claimed Watcher was a good idea, or Kiro has a role that requires him to sacrifice himself.

So, I hope this helps explain why I'm going to throw everything I can at those who Defended Kiro and continues to claim that those on the Kiro wagon were wrong.

Dropping the HW point, because that point was only born out of frustration.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #567 on:** June 23, 2011, 07:19:22 PM »

@Bard: I wanted a majority lynch, PX seemed most viable. I WAS going to switch to HW if his wagon gained steam, but I overslept so I missed the end of day insanity. I honestly did not think the votes could move around that fast, or I'd probably have proposed my Chaore is scum theory then.

@HW: Why the fuck would you want to lynch Kiro today?

@HH: As I said, I WANTED a full majority lynch. If that required me being on it, so be it. When I went to bed, I thought PX was going to be that full majority lynch. Outside chance of HW. Then...well, you know the rest.

@Zak: Understood, thank you. I find it hard to believe a town vig would do something so incredibly stupid. Is it absolutely confirmed that Affinity can't do something silly like "Oh, a scum vig wouldn't be the an NK :V :V :V"? The other possibility is a limited shot janitor SK, which would be quite intriguing. I'm trying to decide if I want to force a vig claim. The advantage is once we lynch all the scum, if we're still playing, guess who's third party :V. Alternatively, if it's a scum vig and they choose to claim it, they're at least locked to that claim. Disadvantage is, of course, outting potentially town power (though for christ's sake don't use the gun again if you are town. The loss of information from a flip outweighs the hell out of killing someone)

Oh, look at Bard theorizing the exact same things a few posts ago.

Mm...I think there needs to be serious consideration of this. Whether the vig should claim or not.

Chaore · « **Reply #568 on:** June 23, 2011, 07:22:53 PM »

I think you've misunderstood Bardiche. I am not saying you all decided to lynch the watcher (Though I am still bewildered and surprised that within 4 hours of deadline or so that you all pulled this wagon together), I am saying you all ended up deciding to lynch the person who was the watcher. As in, I knew you were about to lynch the watcher which is why I reacted as I did. I am not accusing you all of being scum because you were lynching the watcher, I'm saying I reacted as I did because you were lynching the watcher, even if it was because of his claim I was probably the only person who -knew- and had good reason to trust him.

As for why I chose to save him, I'm going to ask you to do something that might be difficult for you. I am going to ask you to think as someone who wasn't dead convinced that Kiro was scum. Now, you know that Kiro is indeed the watcher- What is going to be your first thought of a Watcher? That they're instantly scum, and lynch them, or that they are Town and you should probably hold off on their lynch? I do not believe a Watcher is a role that you really would -find- on a scum team, therefore for the first part, a Watcher looks rather townie. The second part is the existence of a cop already in the setup- While I get two investigative roles are strong, Two investigative roles are never impossible. It is not as if Kiro claimed something absurd to find in a mafia game, and we only knew there was a cop in the game. We know nothing else to suggest that two investigative roles would be too imbalanced, and we should immediately disregard any other investigative roles for being liars. I do not see anything that would make this impossible, Bardiche if you believe this, Why do you believe this?

Kiro's claim from my view did not look farfetched and unbelievable, nor is it honestly a scummy thing to claim. The fact I had bias to confirm he was a watcher like he said and no reason to really seriously doubt he was town, I don't think it was unreasonable to see Kiro as Townie from my point of view.

Hanged Hourai · « **Reply #569 on:** June 23, 2011, 07:32:50 PM »

Chaore, you are defending yourself. That's ok, town and scum both do that. However, you are not making any cases, not suggesting any alternate lynches, or hunting scum. Who is scum and why? This whole thing reads as a distancing attempt to me until you actually hunt.