Night of the Vampire Mafia: Happily Ever After

[Shadoweh]

Kiro: Your cases have alot to do with interactions, it's confusing. What would it mean to you if huh what flips town, out of curiousity? How many scum do you even think there are right now? Who do you want lynched more, huh what or Conqueror4u? You keep saying you would push for a takeover kitten lynch if you could, but you never tried to get it going in the first place. Who do you -individually- think is scum right now?

Dormio: Okay, is there anyone besides PX you'd be willing to vote for?

Schezo.. oh wait who is this guy again?

PX: Oh God, fuck it.  I'll reread him and the cases on him in a minute, I'll just post this first.

THIS IS NOT A THING THAT HAPPENED. GET ON THIS.

Chaore: >8( CLICK HERE FOR MY QUESTION FOR YOU.

PX: If you have a claim I actually suggest you give it now instead of waiting for the morning.. well I would have if the wagon hadn't swung like this.. hmm. No, I still think you should if there's a chance you might sleep through the deadline.

Cut by Bard: Yes, I know it sounds bad and makes me sound useless but it's true. I seriously felt severed from the game and I know I'm not the only one that hasn't felt 'into this'. I still feel pretty lost. I'm not getting a very good sense of if we're going in the right directions or not.

[PX]

I unfortunately must claim the standard boring Vanilla Townie.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Dormio: Okay, is there anyone besides PX you'd be willing to vote for?

Also, I think my current lynch priority goes something like:
UncertainKitten > PX > Kitten4u/Conqueror = Capt. h

Stuff on capt. h and PX.
More stuff on those two.
I'm getting a sense of deja vu here.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Ugh, reading through is killing my brain, and Dormio on TS is not helping.

THAT SAID, GODDAMNIT HAHA STOP DISTRACTING ME ON TS.

It's not my fault that I'm so fantastic.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

PX (3) - Conqueror, UK, huh what
huh what (4) - Schezo, Shadoweh, Kiro, PX

You guys suck. <_<

I'd personally be a little wary of Kiro if PX flips town, because he basically just made an action that at the time looked like it could potentially cause UK to swing the wagons towards the one who would presumably have an easier time squeezing out of a lynch if they survive the day. It's something I thought might be worth pointing out. Though obviously, he's scummy for other reasons if PX is scum. I don't really like Kiro's wagon switch in general (possibly because it means I'm getting lynched :V), it seems too much like he's utilizing a case on somebody other than me to get a lynch that favors scum more. Would probably consider wanting him dead tomorrow for this, actually.

Just

Spoiler:

gonna get that post out there

since I feel I'm probably dead barring dumb luck. Mafia pessimism, hooray.

[Bardiche]

EBWOP: magical stars sugoi☆☆☆☆☆☆ ^_^~♥☆☆☆

OK, trying to write the case on Shadoweh more coherently this time and HAHA SHUT UP ON TS GOD.

Let's do a post-by-post, ignoring all posts that don't add or even detract from my case because HAHA NO SHUT UP. Let's start here, where I first highlight the sentence about Shadoweh self-declaring herself obvtown which I hate because NEVER OBVTOWN and Shadoweh wasn't obvtown at all during the entire game (don't correct me if I'm wrong, I'm right).

The entire line to HW seems loaded with BARD IS SCUM because of how she undermines his arguments without actually ATTACKING HIM OHGOD HAHA SHUT UP. Also has the line about agreeing with Kiro about voting actives and proposing we wait for lurkers. THIS IS NOT LAL TIME! Also not wanting to look townie what Shadoweh.

Asking for opinions on Chaore for example while giving none herself which is SHUT UP HAHA which is scummy to me because Shadoweh doesn't alight on opinions much. Previous post linked has her doing... something, but opinion giving is not one of them. Acknowledges LLD has terrible reasoning for her votes there, important to note because she pretends LLD was OBVTOWN at the start of D2.

I actually think being logical is a town trait he's complimenting someone on. Making sense has been a good, established method to Not Get Lynched. Also what about Dormio's defence was scummy?

Last line is obvious cheerleading the wagon amiright. AMIRIGHT. Day2openingpost etc.

Then her Dormio case MAGICALLY DISAPPEARS come Day2 for derpvote without much thought (self-admitted), and further opinion time not followed by leading by example and then going all IGNORE ^_^ unless I vote her, which is all kinds of silly considering she attacked Lambda over not responding to questions. Need I vote to ask questions? I'll leave the questions aside and just vote liberally from now.

Still no opinions much in the next post, and still no vote! Obvious what's bad, right? It should be obvious. She isn't doing anything.

NOT HAVING SCUM READS DOESN'T ABSOLVE YOU FROM VOTING LIKE A GOOD TOWNIE and blatantly admitting to coasting is bad. Admitting she considered LLD is also bad because REMEMBER THAT DAY2 OPENING POST? Yeah. AY AY EE AY YOU'RE MY LITTLE BUTTERFLY

Wasn't bandwagon hopping as much as I initially thought on virtue of being SECOND ON WAGON but I still maintain it took way too goddamn long to get that out.

Then the anger later over the sound of a vote on her is silly given she told me she'd ignore me unless I voted her.

:toot: And that's why I

[Pesco]

AY AY EE AY VOTE COUNT

PX (3) - Conqueror, UK, huh what
UncertainKitten (2) - Zakeri, Dormio
Dormio (1) - Chaore
huh what (4) - Schezo, Shadoweh, Kiro, PX
Shadoweh (1) - Bardiche
Chaore (1) - Hourai
Schezo (1) - CaptH

Not voting: None

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Deadline in 5 hours.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Hmm, actually, the more I think about it, the less I like Kiro's wagon hop. It just looks incredibly wrong to me that he'd jump on the lynch that arguably benifits scum more from my PoV (and hopefully everybody's else's once I flip town) because somebody other than me looks like scum to him. It's like he's using scumpairs as a tool to get the lynch scum would prefer, on D2 of all things. Even if you disagree I would have an easier time squeezing out of a mislynch tomorrow than PX would, I think it's pretty obvious scum would benifit more from having me as a player than they would from removing PX (that's not bragging in my book because, really, this is PX we're talking about here).

In fact, I could possibly even see Kiro as PX's buddy. Evening the wagons wouldn't be as reckless of a move as it would sound for scum!Kiro on paper because UK's earlier statements pretty much guaranteed she'd be likely to switch to me to get a majority, and of course PX could easily switch to my wagon on Not Me Over Me. While it would seem to be tremendously damning for Kiro if PX ever flipped scum in the future, it is evident that the concept of PX being more derp than scum was slowly becoming a meme among townies around the time of Kiro's wagon switch, which could have easily been pressed on to keep PX alive after today. It depends on how many risks the theoretical scum!Kiro is willing to take, honestly. Plus, it's possible that PX's flip could have been passed off as him having been targeted by the scum recruiter, depending on how the recruiter mechanics work. Not entirely sure about that.

(Note that I'm not trying to say that Kiro is only worth considering for scum if PX is scum, because I don't think that. I think both of them are worth considering individually too.)

It's 2 AM and I'm pretty tired but I think I'll try to look into Kiro some more while I'm awake. Writing analysis to be considered after my inevitable flip because fuck all you haters I'm not giving up. 

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

*having me as a player lynched

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Also, Bard, it's pretty obvious you're not getting your Shadoweh lynch today. <_< What's your wagon preference?

[Conqueror]

Hi.

Nothing to change my mind about a PX lynch right now. Most recent vote is fairly unimpressive. The switch away from capt. h is jarring, but I could understand it given his position. Don't feel like dissecting PX point by point, but this line really rang alarm bells.

I am stating that, Scum would have absolutely NO REASON AT ALL TO BE ON THE LLD WAGON, UNLESS ONE OF THE COUNTER WAGONS WAS A SCUM BUDDY., SINCE THERE WOULD BE A LYNCH NO MATTER WHAT. They do not need to push a townie wagon for a hard lynch, so they have little motivation to actively push a wagon they know for certain will flip town.

Are you kidding me. Scum have plenty of reasons to be on a town wagon. Maybe they wouldn't need to jump on the wagon after it became the leading wagon, but that logic hardly applies to you, since you were an early voter, does it?

Cut by Bard saying PX's recent post is the most brilliant thing he's ever seen what.

I want to :words: about Kiro but my mind exploded when I read his post.

And this:

And Conquerer's thing with you is still weird since he acknowledged why you were suspicious, unvoted, and still has a slight Scum read on you.

If I decided to vote for my weak scum reads over my stronger scum reads I don't think I'd get very far in this game.

[Shadoweh]

But Bard, this post is so much better for my bandwagoning! Yes I thought she could be clearer. I believe I even said she just does that as either alignment. No I wasn't sure which one she was.

Hey it's not my fault when people start treating me all obvtowny, it's just a thing that happens. I'm alarmed by how much fire I'm coming under today actually and trying to flail scumhunt more effectively. Yes, I didn't want to look townie and get recruited, mission successful I guess! I don't much care for votes and I don't give out my own opinions before asking people for them, in other news my name is Shadoweh and this is how I roll. I stopped ignoring you before this and apologized, don't be mean Bard. :<

This is all interesting but I'm suddenly alarmed because A) Having read huh what's novel I agree with his feelings about Chaore, it is outright riddled with ~*opinions*~, and Kiro's vote gave me the same kind of alarm bells huh what is talking about. See those questions earlier? I feel like I'm being set up actually and I don't like it.

So instead of consolidating on huh what HEY GUYS WHO WANTS TO LYNCH ~*KIRO*~   :toot:

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

So instead of consolidating on huh what HEY GUYS WHO WANTS TO LYNCH ~*KIRO*~   :toot:

I'm working on a post about him right now, and the more I write the more I feel like I want him dead. I still want PX gone too, though, so either not me option would be great at this point~

I'm just worried that we wouldn't be able to actually swing the wagons in time. @_@ I don't think a Kiro wagon is likely to gain much support at this point, and honestly most of my case on him needs my town flip to fully be believed, because I've been writing it from the impression that I'm going to die today and the least I can do is to give town something to look back on after I flip. Which means it's not very convincing. Hmmm.

Oh well. Gonna keep on writan.

[Conqueror]

According to Kiro I am scumbuddies with everyone. Whoop de doo. Posting the :words: about Kiro that  got cut out of the last post.

Being wary of the whole PX wagon being pushed by Conquerer, temporarily pushed by Shadoweh, pushed by HW, all after Dormio has dropped, I just see this as another standard mislynch wagon.

Right just a "standard mislynch" wagon, right? Because obviously PX is town. But oh wait, you think the case for PX-scum is pretty "slam dunk," but instead you're going for the other wagon because huh what could have should have done this or that as town what.

I should have been more alarmed that after HW dropped his case on Dormio (took some time to actually do even if he was leaning towards it through the Day), how confidently he puts forth the PX case with all the good points.

I don't get this at all. Are you saying he should have dropped his case on Dormio for a case he wasn't confident in? Really, I have no idea what this is.

The fact that you and Conquerer have opposite opinions on HW is also something I'm struggling with. I do think Conquerer as Scum so I'm going to see his PX vote and not seeing the HW case as legit as trying to protect an HW Scumbuddy. To me, that is a more likely scenario than PX being Scum.

Okay, rather than rage at this, I'm going to ask for you to present your case on me. Because I honestly don't see it.

In before Kiro tells me I'm defending huh what. No, I'm telling you why I think your vote switch is bad. If you think I am scum why aren't you voting me. Why the hell do you think I'm scum anyway?

[Conqueror]

Oh, and clarifying that I don't think I'd support a Kiro lynch for today because making a last minute wagon is silly IMO when most of the players aren't going to be here between now and deadline. I know I probably won't.

[Conqueror]

If you think I am scum why aren't you voting me.

Never mind, I think I know the answer to this. Rest of the post still holds though.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

##Unvote
##Vote PX

The votes are now tied.
Hopefully this won't be like Day One where people didn't exist at the deadline. :/

[Bardiche]

AY AY EE AY I'M A LITTLE BUTTERFLY
WANT TO FIND A HANDSOME SAMURAI

But Shadoweh, that defense doesn't work at all! It doesn't answer any of the stuff about BEING LATE TO PRODUCE CONTENT and being riddled with ~*nothing at all, nothing at all*~ Pesco woof.

Honestly huh what I think my Shadoweh case is FANTASTIC and people should swap to it. I'm still re-reading but I get distracted a lot. I don't support a PX lynch right now anymore and am reading the cases on you, presently an amalgamation of "Huh?" given I STILL don't find the pre-game stuff that objectionable but opinions might ~change~.

[Shadoweh]

A) Having read huh what's novel I agree with his feelings about Chaore, it is outright riddled with ~*opinions*~

I should probably explain this better. Huh what's point about PX wanting to ignore the wagon is sound because town should never ignore flips, it's the only way we can prove the cases were in fact wrong. Kiro made a jarring comment to this effect as well here. It's also a point that PX said he thought huh what looked the better of the two then came up with a huge case on huh what that doesn't acknowledge huh what's large post. PX said "Addition, his defense doesn't really show how people are wrong, he just says it and never explains it." and while this is something I pushed earlier, I don't believe this is at all true for this post. It seems like PX very much made a Not PX vote, but he doesn't mention this possibility. On top of that, I don't like PX's claim. I would like huh what to -try- and paraphrase some of his silly flavor anyways.

The fact that instead of lurking out he came back to attack someone that jumped onto his bandwagon also screams townie trying to get that last opinion out there. Fine, Conqy, take some time to think about Kiro and talk to your cat about it. Right now I'm flip flopping again. Willing to lynch Kiro if people want to switch but GONNA GET THIS VOTE OUT THERE.

##Unvote
##Vote: PX

[Shadoweh]

Bard that quote is just super! What do you think of Kiro right now?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

On top of that, I don't like PX's claim. I would like huh what to -try- and paraphrase some of his silly flavor anyways.

From memory: I have weird dreams about my other selves and said dreams attempt to impress the ideas of a "grand united theory" upon me. All of this went over my head completely.

I AM CURRENTLY DIGGING UP SO MUCH DIRT ON KIRO YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. Yes. PX/Kiro scumteam OTP 2011

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

All of this went over my head completely.

This means -my- head, not Chiyuri's.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

*grand unified theory

I am a derp.

[WHMZakeri]

##Unvote: Uncertain Kitten
##Vote: Kiro

To add to the fire: in his post 309, He makes a case that's 40% "Huh what did something with good intentions, and it turned out badly" and 60% "His voting patterns weird, bad, and not-town"

I discounted the first 40% in my next post response to him, but I attempt to encourage the other part. Later, Huh what makes a huge post where he doesn't like Dormio, and poking the others on the Wagon.

By This post He defends against my point on the basis that it's a subjective read, and then unvotes saying that Because huh what Reinforced his case on his target that that made him less scummy. In general, his explaining in depth why he's moving his vote off of HW seems like scummy backtracking. I don't really see what Kiro's current case against HW actually is other than because he was going for the easy vote and is the other bandwagon.

Of course, everyone's been going for the Easy vote in PX.
I've been saying this for a long while now.
And Bardiche gets +10 temporary town points for being the first person on the wagon to notice it on his own.

[WHMZakeri]

To Reiterate my feelings on the current wagons

If PX Flips town, I'll get to chew everyone out except for Dormio for being scum forever.
If HW Flips town, I'd likely pursue Kiro as part of his last request, As well as Entertain Bardiche's notion that Shadoweh actually isn't town.
If HW Flips scum, then that's okay, because he was UK's scumbuddy anyway, and the reason I didn't feel like bringing this up before was because that would involve Scumbuddy theories.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Things I found interesting about Kiro on a re-read:

• His stance on me has been rather inconsistant throughout the game, first of all. The most obvious instance of this is his claim that he would not pursue me if he switched off of UK followed by his vote on me in #219. Normally this would only look a little weird, but after considering the circumstances of each post, I would be willing to say it's downright scummy. In between the two posts, the case on me gained a significant amount of support and had now become a viable wagon thanks to Schezo and Lambda, especially considering how the way I was bordering into inactive territory made me significantly easier of a target at this point. On the other hand, the chances of scum obtaining a UK lynch weren't too hot at all - Bard, K4U, and Chaore had all denounced the case on her to some extent, PX had recently hopped off in favor of chasing Lambda, and nobody was actually interested in voting her. Naturally, scum in this position would have a lot more to gain from pushing on my wagon, especially if they could potentially get Shadoweh to jump back on. (BONUS: I find it amusing that PX jumped back on the UK wagon after a while of tunneling her, only to switch over to Lambda very shortly after. Somewhat curious if he realized he may have connected himself to scum!Kiro and made a quick backstep for distance.)
  
• His D2 stance on me has been slightly inconsistant as well. Actually, his stance on PX between days has been inconsistant as well, I'm noticing. This entire post bugs me on a re-read because little of what I posted in my #331 seems like it wouldn't actually satisfy Kiro's actual case on me, and the way he votes PX just bugs me a lot - Kiro was claiming PX was town quite a bit on D1, to the point that he even nullified me credit for my PX points because he disagreed. I don't think the way Kiro switched from me to PX was realistic at all because of how inconsistant it was. I'm seeing it as scummy. The way he switched back to me just seems weird in light of all this too. He had a decent enough case on me earlier, why does he suddenly need some crack pairing involving Conqueror just to switch back onto me? Looks too cautious. I don't like it. I think the PX vote was just a votepark on Kiro's part while he decided what else to do, as in a case he had no intention in keeping up with the whole day.
  
• See #484 and #487 for all the other reasons I dislike Kiro's jump back on to me.

My only real problem is that I can't particularly see what scum!Kiro would have to gain from voting scum!PX in the middle of the day. @_@ Maybe risky distancing? I dunno, it's possible considering that a PX/Kiro scumpair already requires some huge risks on scum!Kiro's part. Regardless, I definitely think at least one of them is scum, if not both.

Some of this is null without my townie flip, sadly, but I'm fine being killed and mangled if it helps to touch town's heart and show it the light. Still, I'd much prefer the death of one of PX and Kiro because, you know, I think both of them are great scum candidates and they fit together as scum quite nicely as well.

... But I doubt the viability of a last minute Kiro wagon, so for now I'm keeping my vote on PX. @_@ Attempting a last minute wagon seems way too easy to fuck up. If I wake up to see that Kiro garnered like 4 votes then I'll definitely switch, but otherwise nooo.

... Though, actually...

@ Bard: What about Kiro? :> If you, me, Shadoweh, Conqueror and Durrrmio all SAW THE LIGHT and switched to Kiro we could possibly actually swing the wagons. I think I might be feeling stronger about my scum read on Kiro than my scum read on PX now, I don't even know. Actually yeah I definitely do. Writing Mafia posts past 2 AM is making me have a partially insane thought process, I think.

Cut by Zak hell yes I love you (not like that). Are Shadoweh and Conqueror still around??

[Conqueror]

And when do easy votes become not easy votes?

Cut by huh whall

I don't see a wagon on Kiro forming. I'm probably going to sleep in the next hour because I'm on the verge of collapse here.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

I don't see a wagon on Kiro forming.

BUT
BUT
BUT
zak + me + you + shadoweh

That's four votes! It would have one more than the current HW wagon and possibly more if Bard and Dormio agree!

[WHMZakeri]

And when do easy votes become not easy votes?

Cut by huh whall

I don't see a wagon on Kiro forming. I'm probably going to sleep in the next hour because I'm on the verge of collapse here.

when enough people acknowledge that it's the easy vote, and people then decide to shuffle onto the next easy to make one.

[Shadoweh]

But Zak I'm not even voting for huh what anymore :< You won't entertain the possibility of PX scum? If Kiro is scum what would that make you think about UncertainKittan?

Anyways good enough for me WHEE BANDWAGONS!

##Unvote
##Vote: Kiro

STOP LOOKING AT ME!