Night of the Vampire Mafia: Happily Ever After

[UncertainJakutten]

EBWOP: SHIT! It just hit me. PX jumping on the HW wagon would have tied the wagons (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going off brain fried memory) That'd make it a minor swing vote. At the time, Dormio looked somewhat like he was going to be lynched, so PX voting HW would have been suspicious in retrospect if Dormio flipped scum. So, voting the harmless wagon was probably the "safest" option for scum PX.

The problems I have with this though is one, yes, I'm proposing a scum pair. And two, that would require PX to actually think about his actions, which is a dubious claim given half the case on him is how dumb his cases on myself and LLD were.

Ugh...though now I can think of a slightly more contrived way PX is scum with HW! *head desk*. Look, I want a PX lynch to narrow my focus. HW and Dormio both look worse if PX flips scum. People on PX's wagon looks worse if PX flips town. I also don't have a feeling the latter will occur, but I do recognize it as a possibility still. I...feel so close to grasping what I'm looking to say, but I'm coming up frustratingly short...

[Pesco]

Counting Votes Instead Of Working

PX (5) - Bardiche, Kiro, Shadoweh, Conqueror, UK
UncertainKitten (2) - Zakeri, Dormio
Dormio (3) - huh what, capt. h, Chaore
huh what (1) - Schezo
Schezo (1) - Hourai

Not voting: PX

PX is at L-2

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Deadline in 18 hours

[Shadoweh]

It sounds like it would help you if you made a more concrete case on Dormio and Huh what seperately. If it seems to you PX is likely to flip scum and one of them is his buddy, then you should be able to figure out if one of them is scum on their own. Schezo seems to think huh what and Dormio could be scum together, so I'd have to ask you if a town flip on PX would truly quell suspicions going towards those two.

[Shadoweh]

Re: Reading huh what - I totally lied so far, he seems pretty huh whatty to me.

@Dormio: Let me get that straight, that post was just for your benefit? Not a case at all? So you basically voted for a townie to get lynched, and didn't even leave a case or reasoning why.

I think you are misrepresenting Dormio here. Can you please show me where he said he thought LLD was town, either before or after he voted for her?

[UncertainJakutten]

Not necessarily quell, but make it less likely. Dormio has an intersection of being on the current PX wagon and being a possibly party defended by PX's vote, so he wouldn't be completely cleared.  (Really, no one would be, just that it would be far far more likely that there is at least one scum on the PX wagon at this point, if PX is town. The fact that everyone currently on the PX wagon is either myself or in my green list should give you an idea of just how little faith I place in PX flipping town)

Anyway, I don't really know how to make the case more concrete on Dormio. Literally all he has done is spent every post of his saying how awful I am. The one or two times he DOESN'T, it's making a...weird case on K4U I still don't get. He doesn't even answer your question until, like, halfway through D2 where he posts an IIoA list of his opinions on people. I don't feel this is town behavior. He's not even examining his case on me to understand why it's so bad. He's just restating the same points over and over until people give in. It's gotten to the point I've had to do the same because he gives me pretty much nothing new to work with.

HW is trickier. I see now why his little "Bard is dead, who is scum" thing isn't as town intended as initially thought. I can also see where his defense against you was a bit defensive. I also don't really know what he thinks outside of Dormio scum. So, I guess what I want from him at the moment is to tell me who he thinks is scum and why, besides Dormio. As I said, rereading HW's posts gave me a bad feeling. I just don't know how much of this is gut and how much of this is longing to go along with a lynch that a lot of good players support (like yourself, Kiro, etc.)

[PX]

The first post was made at midnight, so I forgot to mention the LLD post.

So for what reasons I agree with the LLD case, mostly this post, the refusal to answer reasonably questions.

Captain Dorian:
Your D1 consisted of calling Schezo and K4U suspicious, and then calling LLD scum without giving a read on anybody else. Your K4U read, you say you understand her case on Kiro, but disagree with it. Why does that make her suspicious if you understand her line of reasoning? The Schezo read, you're clearly not reading his post correctly.

At a glance, Dormio looks suspicious to me, but I have to do a proper reread of his posts after work. I agree with huh what's case on him; frankly, while there are many things to attack Bardiche for, his vig shot was not sufficient until proven real or fake. Once again, Dormio being Dormio (like last game, where he attacked LLD for the miller claim similarly as town) means that I'm not sure about him yet.

But this was pregame, where there was nothing to vote each other for except random shit, hence RVS. Also, I don't think that's HW's case on Durrmio at all.

Your D2 posts consists of calling a lot of people suspicious, with Dormio as "reportery, passive, and non-commital" and "fairly likely to be scum". Please, show examples of this.
...Reading your post, you don't explain why people are suspicious, except for two noticeable people: Dormio and UK. And they come with reasons other people stated already. It looks like your LLD case, and the reason why it looks wrong as said by Zak. "Which to me means he was probably trying too hard to find a reason [Insert Someone's Name] hadn't already covered."
tl;dr: Asking people for updated reads, giving people really waffly reads without explanations, and the ones you do you give generic reasons that others have used.

##Vote: Capt. H

Shadoweh:

I'm sad that Shadoweh stopped mentioning Huh What. SHADOWEH, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF HUH WHAT CURRENTLY?

God, this game is killing my brain, so I'm cutting up this post and putting the rest of it in another post to be made somewhere in the near future.

EDIT: CUT BY EIGHT POSTS, GOD DAMMIT IT PESCO STOP FUCKING WITH MY ACCOUNT SETTINGS!!!!!!

[UncertainJakutten]

PX. That doesn't answer my question. When you voted LLD here, at 176, Bard's 217 here did not exist. Literally NOTHING had changed between LLD's post and your post. She had not even reacted to Bard's case. Please answer my question. Why did you vote LLD without any telegraphing of your vote, and why did you unvote me if my provided reasoning for why your case was wrong is something you didn't like?

You're intent is completely unclear and despite being pressed SEVERAL TIMES you've failed to make it clearer.

[Conqueror]

@Kiro - Call it "just for coasting," if you'd like, but it felt to me at the time that Shadoweh was just hanging around and asking questions without making any real conclusions out of them. I can see scum intent pretty easily in that. The reaction to the vig shot bit was a minor point added as a clarification, and I'm a bit disappointed that people are using that as the meat of my case when that wasn't how it was intended. Once Shadoweh responded and actually put out a vote, that alleviated my concerns enough that I'm not going to consider her a priority for today.

In other news, K4U is a bit displeased I dropped her Dormio case and is pointing some stuff out to me about Dormio that is making me a bit uneasy about him. Dormio, does your UK case honestly boil down to "being weird D1" and not answering questions? At this point it feels like you're trying too hard to hold on to a case you can't really support. I want you to expand your case if you apparently still believe in it, or at least state it in a form that doesn't read as IIoA. >_>

K4U also agrees with me that PX is looking worse now that she can read his posts, but now I have to read this new PX post to see if this changes anything.

[PX]

1) Already answered -.-

I was skimming with limited time and saw LLD's post as strange. She cleared UK by calling the wagon "laughable", copying only Dormio's reasons for voting UK, when he wasn't even voting for her, and using an objective read to clear her. And then she uses another objective read to call Shadoweh scum if she doesn't die to a fake vig. And then proceeds to vote Bardiche. I wanted her to do a better post.

2) You would have just used that point to justify everything you did, and just spout how the case was invalid. I was not going to spend time and energy arguing over that. So I just dropped the entire thing.

[UncertainJakutten]

Fair enough on 2, 1 doesn't explain anything. You had many opportunities to read LLD's post. You posted several times after she had posted. What made it suddenly magically strange, conveniently when a wagon on LLD seemed possible? You refuse to explain this still.

[PX]

Because I really have to stop posting after midnight. I meant to talk about the LLD post in the previous post, but forgot to. Also, one vote a wagon does not make. Are you accusing me of making the wagon, building the wagon, starting the wagon, or jumping on for no reason?

Also, I forgot this.

CAPT. H: Thoughts on me considering I'm the leading wagon currently

[UncertainJakutten]

You were either the second or third vote. Fairly sure you were the second. While it might not have been a wagon per se, it had still become a viable place to put your vote.

I'm not satisfied with your answers but I'm not going to get anything else out of you.

What I'm accusing you of is building the wagon in a way that could be trying either to build a counterwagon or to avoid supporting the two likely wagons for some unknown reason. Given how much your play appears to have scum intent, I'm going to guess that unknown reason has something to do with Dormio or HW.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Okay, I hate everything.
Let me rewrite my the second half of my post (#363 stupid preview button) for your viewing convenience.

• Firstly, in #71, why did you single out PX, and only PX, for not taking the confirmation phase seriously when there were several people who weren't posting at all?
• Secondly, it feels as though you're being overly aggressive in order to discourage people from making cases on you. I get this feeling from the way you insulted PX for calling you out for something that you yourself admitted to doing, and from your #145, and your #373 response to me, as well as when you call people stupid and refuse to answer questions.
• Thirdly, I asked you about your "I use vigs the same way" (#49) comment, you ignored me. Later in #145, you state your explanation and claim to have said it already. If you really did say it another time between #49 and #145, could you please link it to me? Because, otherwise, I believe it was another lie to demoralize anybody that attacks you.
• In addition, in #164, you say yourself that you are backtracking regarding Bardiche. PX tries to call you out on this. You insult him for it. Why does the fact that you yourself stated it make it any less scummy? For example, if I were to leave a miserable pile of WIFOM in a topic, but leave the disclaimer "btw, I'm going to use WIFOM", does that make it completely fine?
• I still heavily dislike your #46, and your final response to my D1 accusations was "I see no need to continue this conversation unless you have something new to bring to the table." (#102). And people wonder why I was never satisfied with the outcome of that.
• Also, your "I will only answer questions if I feel like it" in #308 is all kinds of bad. You've spent the entire game pushing around your lynches whilst refusing to look at what the other townies have to say to you, bar the super obvious stuff or things that you'd look terrible for not answering. Anything that you can find an excuse for, you refuse to answer.
• During D1, you kept giving me shit because I didn't expand my case on you. Hey, look, your LLD switch, what reasoning did it have again? "LLD used this tell, which usually means she's scum." What other reasoning did you say you had, again? #303, LLD was "avoiding questions". Hey, guess what? The supposed tell that LLD used is for avoiding questions. So your entire reasoning for jumping to LLD consisted of "LLD used this tell." Oh, and to make everything better, in #303, you state that LLD, in fact, did NOT use the tell, and you just misread her. Hypocrite.
  
• Oh, hey, your latest post. (#401) And you give me shit for going into conspiracy theory land. "Yay PX is probably scum, let's fling some shit on Dormio and Huh What for no goddamn reason.

Also.

inb4IgetinsultedheavilybyUKforthispost

@Dormio: I'm not going to try to pull anything out of that bloody mess you made. It's absolutely unreadable and I still have the game to reread. If there's anything you want to ask, post it in bullet point format, with spaces, and clear formatting.

The concise version of your case seems to be, once again, someone using that word "weird" rather than telling me why I'm acting with scum intent. Then misrepping me on LLD, because while I initially PRESSED LLD for the "tell", I actually VOTED her for being manifestly unhelpful and obstinate in the face of reasonable questioning, which felt like it had scum intent, and finally, something that I always do because most of the questions I get are dumb as fuck and huge noise generators?

A+ CASE THERE DURRMIO!

I'm...just not even going to bother. Go play with your blocks Dormio, the adults are talking.

Totally called it.
Now, going to be writing another post for whatever happened whilst I was sleeping.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Oh, and does anyone want to place bets?
Will UK actually respond to my post or will UK just degrade and insult me again.
I think I'll put my money on the latter.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Oh, prime example of the second point from UK.

Give it the fuck up Zak, you have nothing on me and you're wasting fucktons of effort not telling us ANYTHING about your intent besides really wanting me lynched. I tire of it.

"Your entire post was meaningless and you are stupid for even trying to cast doubt on how obviously townie I am."
That pretty much sums up that post, does it not?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also, regarding UK's #383 comment about my #75.
Uh, so what?
Is there anything bad about me acknowledging that a gameplay element that the mod has given us plenty of warning about will probably be in effect?

[Bardiche]

Or we go about this civilly-ish.

So, Haha, can you respond why you thought LLD was scum? Subtracting the reports?

I'm re-reading thread to go see if there's scum slipping through the seams by just being generally glib. Lurkers everywhere, everyone's scum. PX saw what happened to Lambda and spends a lot of time answering questions it's like we need to do that song and dance all over again but let's not words are hard Haha save me

##Unvote

Lynching and OPINIONS SCUMS EVERYWHERE will have to wait until I'm done re-reading.

UK calm down, Haha stop baiting her, Shadoweh what absolved Dormio of your attention for the day since you were tooting for his lynch PRETTY DURN HARD the other Day and then you suddenly went after me because RAEG and all these wrong things about it and then you hang around with no vote until page 13 where you bandwagon hop teh PX GUT VOTE TIME because wth.

I'll provide a coherent case but this is mostly gut, amplified by how she opened the day voting me, then let that vote go, SPENDS MOST OF HER TIME REACTIONARY INSTEAD OF ACTIVE and then votes PX at a time his bandwagon is growing rather strong. I don't want to lynch PX because he made posts I felt were town-motivated in D1 and this feels like a terrible repeat of LLD except less attempts to divert the wagon and more inattentiveness.

Also Shadoweh is scum for

I don't think I support the case on Dormio anymore. I actually agree with alot of what Dormio's saying right now.

after pushing for his lynch sew hard the other day just what changed besides that Dormio isn't the popularest anymore? :toot:

##Vote: Shadoweh

[Bardiche]

EBWOP I'll post a coherent case after I've slept, hopefully before deadline and otherwise, well, deal with it. :toot:

[Pesco]

Counting Votes Instead Of Something

PX (4) - Kiro, Shadoweh, Conqueror, UK
UncertainKitten (2) - Zakeri, Dormio
Dormio (3) - huh what, capt. h, Chaore
huh what (1) - Schezo
Schezo (1) - Hourai
CaptH (1) - PX
Shadoweh (1) - Bardiche

Not voting: None

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Deadline in 16.5 hours

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Haha stop baiting her

And two, that would require PX to actually think about his actions, which is a dubious claim given half the case on him is how dumb his cases on myself and LLD were.

Because UK isn't doing the same thing.

[Bardiche]

Be a better man.

[UncertainJakutten]

Well, maybe I wouldn't insult you if you produced actual content rather than the same bullshit.

1. I "singled out" PX because he actually posted except it was only to say that he wasn't going to do anything serious. So, basically, he clearly had no objections to posting game stuff in the confirmation phase, yet he still was treating the game like it was in RVS. No.

2. Show me any questions I have actually refused to answer as opposed to just saying I don't HAVE to answer them but will anyway. Secondly, if the foo shits, wear it. And you and PX are covered in foo shit right now.

3. I stated it back in 43, and you chose to ignore that. I relink it in my wall post. If you're going to ask questions that have already been answered, you should probably ask more relevant questions.

4. Doesn't make it fine, I just said I literally didn't give a shit if people said I was backtracking. I never actually said I was backtracking, merely that people would call it such. PX deciding to jump on this LITERALLY THE POST AFTER I SAID THIS just proved my point. He wasn't scummy for that, he was scummy for continuing to push an awful case despite the fact he seemed to accept this was a thing I was saying. The majority of his "case" was pretty much broken with that statement, yet he posted it anyway as if it was still relevant, not even outright saying "I don't believe you" when I said I didn't believe Bard was scum.

5. I spent all of D1 answering your scatterbrained "accusations". You basically spent the entire day showing over and over you had no idea what you were talking about with regards to me. I've shown you SEVERAL WAYS the "confirmation bias" in 46 wasn't scummy. You instead decided that you'd engage in your own confirmation bias. In addition, with the fact I didn't actually consider Bard scum, 46 suddenly contains a lot less meaning, now doesn't it?

6. [[citation needed]]. While that was a thing I've said, I've never actually refused to answer any questions. Prove me wrong (protip, you can't).

7. Uh, no? That's not what happened at all. The "tell" I used on LLD was hypocrisy regarding accusing HW of something she herself appeared to be doing. It wasn't avoiding answering questions, it was "why me" posting. What got me to vote her WAS avoiding reasonable questions, which is something she actually did. Where am I a hypocrite again? Oh, right, Dormio land where you can accuse me of "not answering questions" with no actual real backing up of said things.

8. Let's see, 401 observes wagon behavior, observes people who have been acting independently scummy, and comes up with a theory that might explain a connection, based on defending a potential scumbuddy, i.e. NOT bussing for cred and killing half of your scumteam.
Your post that proposes a conspiracy theory that BY NECESSITY CANNOT WORK observes one person who ~*~might~*~ be independently scummy, in your worldview, bussing someone else, in a game where bussing cred literally only lasts until D3, kills half your team until N2, and FUCKING
ACKNOWLEDGES
THE
FUCKING
RECRUIT
MECHANIC
THAT
HAPPENS
ON
NIGHT
FUCKING
TWO!

Answer. That. Fucking. Question. I. Asked. In. My. Wall. About. That.
What. The. Fuck. Were. You. Even. Thinking?

Much headaches later, that should address every shred of bullshit you've been trying to stick to me.

Dormio cuts: Whatever on Zak. I've addressed his points time and time again. If he's going to woohoo tunnel on me, so fucking be it.
*head desk* about your 75.
HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES HAVE I GONE OVER WHY BUSSING FOR CRED IS NOT A GOD DAMNED VIABLE STRATEGY IN THIS FUCKING GAME!? BY ACKNOWLEDGING THE FUCKING MECHANIC YOU FUCKING UNDERCUT YOUR OWN
GODDAMN
CASE!
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU NOT REALIZE THIS!?

@Bard: Yes, I know I should calm down but it's pretty fucking hard when the people attacking you are using the worst bloody logic and I'm literally losing brain cells by responding to their every point because the points are JUST SO BAD. And no, this isn't discreditation because I've fucking SHOWN how they are bad and for god's sake asdgnhjaerhn' bfeasn.ekvearbfuld

@Dormio: Merely observing exactly what people will try to undercut my case on PX with. Probably in a nicer way.

[UncertainJakutten]

EBWOP: Rather, I'll be undercut in a nicer way. Yeah, I was a bit cruel to PX. Honestly, I should probably just not look at this game til later tonight because I am so livid I've stopped caring about being civil. You'll excuse me if I try to avoid posting for a couple hours.

[capt. h]

I'm here, PX.

 

Captain Dorian:
Your D1 consisted of calling Schezo and K4U suspicious, and then calling LLD scum without giving a read on anybody else. Your K4U read, you say you understand her case on Kiro, but disagree with it. Why does that make her suspicious if you understand her line of reasoning?

My day 1 (not Dorian's) was only about 14 hours long, 8 of which I spent sleeping, which limited the amount of scum hunting I could do. Furthermore, the fact that I understood K4U's line of reasoning does not mean I agreed with it. I did not consider the case adequate.

I disagree with any case on Huh What that uses his creation of a false dichotomy pre-game, because he was one of the players that was in the first 7. By definition, a scum flip on him would nullify the theory that he was creating a false dichotemy by showing it wasn't false. The forcing players to focus on the first 7 players argument is, in my view, outright disproven by his scum flip since it proves that he was right about forcing focus on the first seven players.

In response to when Dormio was passive and non-commital, I will say I did not like this post. I will be updating this read after I do a closer reading of his more recent posts.

I reported on five players in my 337 PX, only 4 I consider suspicious. My Hourai and Schezo reads were incomplete and indeed partially fueled by a lack of content, which is where the suspicion comes from. I'm still not sure of those two. Hourai claims he saw LLD crumbing her role - I would like him to point to which post LLD crumbs her role in. I don't like the implication that he knew it was the wrong wagon all along, considering he wasn't here. In addition, he never actually answered my request that he explain his Chaore case -

I would like to see examples of where Chaore pushes bad play as opposed to scummy play.

I actually think he looks quite a bit worse now, somewhere between suspicious and scummy. While I like that he has original points on Schezo and Chaore, if he can't show me how LLD was crumbing her role, he will probably become my top lynch.

Honestly PX, I'm not sure I want to go for your lynch, if only because your case on me is one of the strongest you've made in a while. It's still wrong, but I get the sense that you tried, and you bring up original points. Admittedly, you were not one of the players I reread yesterday, so I will have a more solid opinion of you tonight after I finish my rereads, but you are not a high priority.

Warning - while you were typing 11 new trains have been choo chooed. You may wish to review your post.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

UK stop cutting me so I can get my other post out of the way gddmt.

1. Okay, so PX is bad for that reason, why not the others?

2. This is different from 6. This one isn't about not answering questions, but instead the way you've been trying to discourage anybody that has a case on you with emotive words.

3. 43, huh? You mean the post where you stated it, but no explanation whatsoever?

4. "Hey guys, this thing I'm doing might look like a certain behaviour, but it really isn't and if you call me out for it I will fucking kill you."?

5. If you really didn't consider Bardiche to be scum, #46 looks a lot more like that thing you said you didn't do.

7. And "why me?" posting ISN'T avoiding questions?

8. Because "What I'm accusing you of is building the wagon in a way that could be trying either to build a counterwagon or to avoid supporting the two likely wagons for some unknown reason. Given how much your play appears to have scum intent, I'm going to guess that unknown reason has something to do with Dormio or HW." is so specific, am I right?

I'm stupid and durr hurr and how do I words. So, can you explain to me exactly why acknowledging the game mechanic was bad? Can you tell me how I invalidated my own thoughts?

Making another post for 6.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

6. Actually, I'll concede this one.
I was also mixing up my second and sixth point.
I still stand by everything else though.

Now, to finally go make that other post.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Firstly, all the flak I'm getting for my jump onto LLD at the end of D1.
I was not particularly looking at either of them throughout the day, because I believed that both were more likely to be town than scum.
However, there was like an hour left in the day, and the wagons could have easily been tied so that the lynch was decided by a coin flip.
I really didn't like the sound of that and did a quick read through both LLD and Huh What. Naturally, it was pretty rushed.
Out of the two, I concluded that it was more likely that LLD would be scum, and so I moved my vote to LLD.
In other words, I would have rather seen LLD flip than Huh What, and coin flips are terrible.

Reading more brb.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

@Dormio: Let me get that straight, that post was just for your benefit? Not a case at all? So you basically voted for a townie to get lynched, and didn't even leave a case or reasoning why.

I did leave reasoning why. :/

[Schezo]

LLD thoughts:  I didn't like it, the entire thing made me uneasy.  If see the frustration and urge to lynch someone who wouldn't comply with things asked.  I agree it could have been handled a bit better with less emotion, but I probably would have been upset at that too and voted her.

HW:  Kiro- I will admit I had not considered the point you raised about how the n2 mechanics factor into him wanting to bus a buddy from ED1 and to continue gunning for him now.  This makes me less sure of my Dormio read even if he is terrible, I think he may just be super townie derp. 
I feel this post is being over defensive against points raised against him.  Then he busts out a double standard of sorts by holding Shadoweh to a vote on Dormio, who he also thought was scum over a bad meta read from another game.  What?  He then does a strange spat with UK about holding LLD to something over calling Hourai town when UK and LLD were the only ones who had so far and LLD was the only one to get scrutiny.  Now that she's flipped town this leaves me with a lot of discontent.  And as much as I would like to stand in my glass house and throw stones at him for not being around at the end of day 1, I wasn't there, along with most of the game, so that point's less valid than I would like it to be.
Needs a lynch.

Dormio: I can actually see being derp town who pushes bad cases.  His long stream of consciousness on steroids posts he makes, really seals it to me as reading, "flustered townie" as opposed to floundering scum since that's exactly the way I get when I get put under a lot of pressure as town.

capt h: Is strange, he first calls me out on a misrep of me here.  He apologizes for it, and later says his read on me hasn't changed.  This behaviour is odd, and I agree with the point PX raises against him, he responded but I still find him suspicious.  What do you think of me now?

PX: Oh God, fuck it.  I'll reread him and the cases on him in a minute, I'll just post this first.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

capt. h: "PX is making a decent case on me, maybe not scum."
I'm not quite getting that. Not to mention that his case applies to himself for the most part.
Not to mention that I'd already mentioned that you were being all fluffy in #369.

PX: Speaking of which!
Whatever I said up there about you.
Parroting cases? Asking people for updated reads? (Particularly on Huh What) Generic statements?
Don't all these apply to you, too?

As for the Conqueror/Kitten4u hybrid.
Writing another post because I got cut by Schezo.
Screw you Schezo.