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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #300 on: May 10, 2010, 01:55:41 AM »
UFO has so much more luckshit than EOSD.

EoSD just has

Books, PrePatchouli fairies(ReimuA), Patchouli(only ReimuB and MarisA), Stage 5,  Killing Doll, Eternal Meek, Remilia spells

UFO has

Kogasa, Stage 2 second half can be, Stage 3 random wallshit, Ichirin, Murasa's last spellcard before the survival occasionally cheapshots you too, Stage 5 second half, Shou, Byakuren first spell and some nonspells.


If we include the Extras, then midboss Kogasa is more luckshit than Patchouli who is pretty much fair. EoSD's stage is so much worse than UFO's.

Edit: How the hell could I forget Murasa's second spellcard. That thing is bullshit.
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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #301 on: May 10, 2010, 02:24:18 AM »
I trust UFO's bullet hitboxes way more than EoSD's (not counting any additive blending here). I suppose one could get used to the fact that they're bigger, if the game's hitbox detection didn't feel so fucking inconsistent. Not just metal-fatigue bulllets, all kinds. I swear, I get noticeably closer to their centers on certain runs than on others.

As for your list, it only looks like UFO has more luckshit, except you apparently condensed larger portions of the game into a few words. Think, you say an entire stage is luckshit in EoSD, yet UFO doesn't have anything like that (parts are, but not the whole). Listing "Remilia's spells" also includes a bunch of attacks, some of them the hardest cards in the series (because they're so badly designed, I might add). And I think you forgot Patchouli - it feels like every shottype has at least one bullshit card (maybe except ReimuA, but isn't she a bad shottype?), and quite a few use bullets with already questionable hitboxes (beyond the weird hitbox detection I mentioned).

EDIT: Just saw your edit. Ex-Patchouli probably isn't that bad for me, though I've been using MarisaA, who trivializes Royal Flare. :V
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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #302 on: May 10, 2010, 02:28:18 AM »
Well, really I don't think Stage 5 EoSD is luckshit. Most people probably would. There is the safespots which I find unreliable, and I can dodge the stuff just fine usually except for the premidboss crap.

EoSD bubbles don't bother me anyway. I always thought of bubble hitboxes as that in the other games as well before I was told about the actual size for later games.

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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #303 on: May 10, 2010, 02:35:17 AM »
Yet I see plenty of people go to the top of the stage (I'm assuming that's the safespot you're referring to) to dodge the fairy spam. Do they consider it consistently that bad to warrant avoiding it altogether?
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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #304 on: May 10, 2010, 02:36:31 AM »
I don't know. I just have a 0% survival rate trying that.

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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #305 on: May 10, 2010, 02:48:17 AM »
End of Stage 4 fairies are easily doable with ReimuA; shotgun the middle one, then move over to the left just before they start firing.  DON'T PANIC(bomb), they'll die if you did it right.

And I just cheese the first half of Stage 5 because SCREW THAT NOISE.

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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #306 on: May 10, 2010, 02:49:06 AM »
yep I see this being bitched about too much so I'mma give in and address it

UFO has so much more luckshit than EOSD.

No

UFO has

Kogasa, Stage 2 second half can be, Stage 3 random wallshit, Ichirin, Murasa's last spellcard before the survival occasionally cheapshots you too, Stage 5 second half, Shou, Byakuren first spell and some nonspells.

In order:

Kogasa has "PSM", her one inordinately hard spell which yes, is out of place. All of her other spells are fine. Trains may require some practice.
Stage 2 end is just streaming. Dodge the pink bullets. Spawn a UFO to delete them if you don't want to dodge them.
Stage 3 end can be done by moving clockwise in a circle around the screen. The rest of the stage is fine.
There is nothing wrong with Ichirin?
"Eternally Anchored Ghost Ship" will wall you if you backed yourself in a corner by not steering the aimed anchors away from you. It's passable consistantly.
Stage 5 second half is only luckshit if you're incapable of monitoring bullets at that speed. Much like the second half of stage 4. It's not nearly as bad as some EoSD random number garbage.
There is nothing wrong with Shou. Welcome to the stage 5 boss.
Byakuren's first spell can be passed consistantly if you're capable of switching between the "paths" if you think you're about to get walled. Yes, it can sometimes be easy, but it's mostly very hard. Byakuren is the hardest Touhou boss.

If we include the Extras, then midboss Kogasa is more luckshit than Patchouli who is pretty much fair. EoSD's stage is so much worse than UFO's.

Midboss EX Kogasa is luckshit now? Since when?

Edit: How the hell could I forget Murasa's second spellcard. That thing is bullshit.

Please dodge more.

Almost all of your complaining about "luckshittiness" can be legitimately countered with "practice more". There are a few odd occasions of "eww that was bad luck", much like anything that isn't completely static. If you don't like the game, that's fine, but it is far from luckshit. Sorry man.

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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #307 on: May 10, 2010, 03:02:40 AM »
End of Stage 4 fairies are easily doable with ReimuA; shotgun the middle one, then move over to the left just before they start firing.  DON'T PANIC(bomb), they'll die if you did it right.
This applies to all Shot Types. However, ReimuA has it much more worse than any other Shot Type; Kefit agrees here. Possible, but you would have to practice it a fair bit more because timing is crucial much more stricter.

Stage 3 end can be done by moving clockwise in a circle around the screen. The rest of the stage is fine.
Anti-/Counter-Clockwise also works; it just plays out a bit differently.

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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #308 on: May 10, 2010, 03:10:09 AM »
This applies to all Shot Types. However, ReimuA has it much more worse than any other Shot Type; Kefit agrees here. Possible, but you would have to practice it a fair bit more because timing is crucial much more stricter.
Yes, but if you do it as a laid out above, it works every time.  One bomb shaved off.  Not that it matters when I KEEP DYING WITH THREE BOMBS IN STOCK ASJDHFAJSDHGAJSDGHAJKSLG

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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #309 on: May 10, 2010, 03:12:50 AM »
Yuka, Yumeko, Sakuya, Youmu, Reisen, Sanae, Orin

What do all of these bosses have in common? Their battles rely purely on skill. If I die or bomb, it was my fault.


Here's a typical Shou battle:

Hey, I actually dodged this, oh wait the laser decided to randomly curve where I moved.
Raidiant clipshit
If Shou moves the wrong way on this nonspell you'll get stuff shot at you in angles that can either wall or clip you.
Walls of Justice, you might clip a laser trying to avoid them.
Hey, a nonspell that's actually fair.(though I wish I could pull off the circling thing)
A spellcard that's actually fair(on Hard or lower)
An easy to clip spellcard.
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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #310 on: May 10, 2010, 03:19:22 AM »
Hey, I actually dodged this, oh wait the laser decided to randomly curve where I moved.

The laser will screw up it's curving trajectory only after it hits you. It's static otherwise.

clip clip clip clip

Save your replays and review them. I assure you, you got nailed by those bullets.

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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #311 on: May 10, 2010, 03:55:05 AM »
I can consistently capture Shou's last card on Hard, and Vajra, too... But I've only captured RTG twice out of all my attempts to not fail at stage 5 practice

Oh, but her first two noncards seem so... WOAH FAST CONSECUTIVE SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT TO READ TRAJECTORIES.

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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #312 on: May 10, 2010, 04:27:22 AM »
Instead of bitching, I will award with praise.
L-Nitori's Drown card was extremely fun to play, and I even captured it 01 / 01. Excellent job!

However.
H-Nitori's equivalent can suck eggs.
And go to hell.
And suck eggs in hell.
Because dodging amid sine bullets is the devil's work.


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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #313 on: May 10, 2010, 07:24:12 AM »

Yeah, this is going to take a lot of work. By the way, that's just Stage 3 alone, and optimally should be a fair bit higher I imagine.

Mid-boss!Ichirin's spot is fine. Boss!Ichirin's first spot is fine. Boss!Ichirin's 2nd spot can go die in a fire. Don't even get me started on the eye.
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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #314 on: May 10, 2010, 07:37:59 AM »
Ooku and Orin are assholes in DS. I can't clear any of their stages!
Ooku goes like "BLOW THE WHOLE SCREEN!" while Orin goes like "THRILLER THE WHOLE SCREEN!".
And I was like "Ooooh fuck oh shit oh fuck etcetra!".


Then I played Mystic Square for the first time (AWESOME RIGHT?) then meeting Shinki, and "OH SHIT GRADIENT HAIR GRAMPS!?", just much more narrow than Hijiri's, and made me die. On iisi modo. :V
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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #315 on: May 10, 2010, 01:23:40 PM »
3 spare lives at midboss Nazrin, that'll be a total of 5 lives for the rest of the game if I beat Shou.

*die to Greatest Treasure*
*die to postNazrin spam with bombs in stock*
*die to postNazrin spam with bombs in stock*
*Die to Shou's BS opener*

This was after dying with bombs in stock on Ichirin, dying with bombs in stock on Murasa.

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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #316 on: May 10, 2010, 01:56:38 PM »
There is nothing wrong with Shou. Welcome to the stage 5 boss.
The second nonspell is fucking garbage.

EoSD vs UFO is kinda hard to compare, EoSD is extremely random while UFO is a memorizefest.
Both are bullshit in different ways.

EDIT: played PCB again

can't the boss just fucking stand still or be a little bigger
or just make the enemy marker a little more visible
or don't make the bullets so fucking bright
why can't I move the hitbox all the way down and instead I die because I got stuck 10 pixels above

game over by piss poor designing
« Last Edit: May 10, 2010, 02:23:31 PM by Bananamatic »

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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #317 on: May 10, 2010, 03:12:06 PM »
*Headdesk* FUCK!!! AGAIN! Died on Kaguya`s second to last nonspell, when I know I can catch her last one. Even more embarrasing, last time was with Magic Team, this time was with Yukari solo.

Alright >_>. I lied about 1cc`ing Normal IN. But being this damn close, it doesn`t matter. Please, tell me it doesnt... MOTHERFUCKING STARS!!! ARGDSFGHFDHFDSHDHE#RWHFDHEWHTF *Headdesk* *Headdesk* *Headdesk*
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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #318 on: May 10, 2010, 06:08:42 PM »
Make it to stage 4 without dying

Die before midboss Nue
Die twice to midboss Nue
Die right after midboss Nue

What the fuck was that shit? How did I go from doing awesome to game overing in a little under 30 seconds?

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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #319 on: May 10, 2010, 06:19:17 PM »
What the fuck was that shit? How did I go from doing awesome to game overing in a little under 30 seconds?
You thought "I'm doing really well here".

Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #320 on: May 10, 2010, 07:13:43 PM »
Just game overed on Legendary Flying Saucer.

Shou is complete bullshit. Also midboss Nue(both of them) are mean.

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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #321 on: May 10, 2010, 10:54:37 PM »
Just because something is hard doesn't mean it's bullshit.

CtC!Shiki is a fucking joke of a stage 3 boss. Hell, even Wriggle is harder than her Jesus Christ.
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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #322 on: May 10, 2010, 11:07:46 PM »
Freaking Aya SHAMEimaru screwed up my MoF No Deaths run. Two deaths during her second non-spell.

And wtf at Sanae being harder than Kanako. I don't trust my hitbox and her spells are clippy so I bombed the entire stage.

Oh well, ended with 470 Million.

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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #323 on: May 10, 2010, 11:32:19 PM »
Don't die until Radiant Treasure Gun game over on Devil's Recitation

Shou is a fucking bullshit garbage boss.

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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #324 on: May 11, 2010, 12:28:30 AM »
The second nonspell is fucking garbage.
can't the boss just fucking stand still or be a little bigger

Because that would be boring.

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or just make the enemy marker a little more visible

what?

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or don't make the bullets so fucking bright

Now this one I can mildly agree with.

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why can't I move the hitbox all the way down and instead I die because I got stuck 10 pixels above

CAVE games do the same thing dood.



Now look, I know I'm completely out of practice with Touhou at this point (damn you CAVE, Raizing and Takumi!) But thats no reason to scoot right into Sanae's bullets. Of course, I had also forgotten about the focused movement key. :V

Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #325 on: May 11, 2010, 02:45:54 AM »
Wait, people think Murasa's second spellcard is luckshit now? Sinking Vortex is one of the fairest cards in the series :ohdear:

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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #326 on: May 11, 2010, 02:53:50 AM »
Wait, people think Murasa's second spellcard is luckshit now? Sinking Vortex is one of the fairest cards in the series :ohdear:

I almost timed it out unintentionally because Murasa kept moving away from me. It's ridiculous trying to get underneath her when everything is going at 45 degree angles.

But it's completely fair sometimes.

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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #327 on: May 11, 2010, 03:10:55 AM »
I feel like I've hit a plateau in my playing skill. It feels like the vast majority of my deaths nowadays (except in UFO because fuck additive blending) occurs within the boundary of my reflexes. You have no idea how many times I've been dying to stuff because I moved what feels like one or two frames too late, yet I never realize that I'm actually late until I die. And yes, I am using Vsync for every game before SA (which doesn't need it; same with UFO).

It's been like this for at least a month now, and I haven't achieved anything noteworthy since my MoF Lunatic 1cc at the end of March. No notable perfect runs, no new Lunatic 1cc's, nothing. Except maybe clearing UFO Extra, but Nue seems too easy for that to count. I wonder if I should take a break from Touhou, aside from what time I need to spend studying for finals, but I'm concerned my skill will just deteriorate even more. Agh, I hate not making progress.
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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #328 on: May 11, 2010, 04:05:32 AM »
Played IN stage 4a. Plenty of mistakes on the stage aside, I 2BND'd Reimu. One bomb was on a derp hit from her second non-spell, and the other was from Fantasy Seal - the only spell card of hers I simply cannot figure out. Just a bit more and this would have been a notable run. :(
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Re: Touhou Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
« Reply #329 on: May 11, 2010, 04:43:47 AM »
words
Look at the PCB enemy marker.
The screen is purple.
The marker is purple.
It barely flashes.
The enemy constantly moves around.
The bullets are much brighter than the enemy.

So Drake can you make a hack where you make it bright yellow or something

And wayyyyy too many patterns are much easier near the bottom in Touhou.

Also lol I did a test run on st3 PCB lunatic and almost got a perfect