Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 15F (Read 475697 times)

Lollipop · « **Reply #810 on:** August 29, 2016, 01:56:22 AM »

Quote from: Serela on August 29, 2016, 12:16:24 AM

I don't remember Mokou's regeneration being -that- big of a problem... you're using your level up bonuses on atk/mag and spending library levels/using equipment for your offense characters, right? (I'm sorry if those are dumb questions, but gotta cover the bases!) In any case, Kogasa's water attack is pretty useful, especially if you can land fear on Mokou after learning Troubled Forgotten Item. Nitori boosts water damage in the front row, Keine can buff atk/mag, etc.

It looks like all I had to do is spend ~4000 coins on library levels and switch some items around, and the fight went ok. Thanks for the advice :]

MANoBadAssGar Jr. · « **Reply #811 on:** August 30, 2016, 02:01:00 AM »

Guys, on the first Tenshi fight, do the Divine Barrier only drop from her ? or you can get it from somewhere else?
im not sure im up for grinding again to defeat her or even put her down to 50% hp........

The first fight i had with her really scared the shit out of me.......

Serela · « **Reply #812 on:** August 30, 2016, 04:00:22 AM »

You can get more, but it's a very rare and powerful item, at least until well into postgame (where it's still pretty good). However, if you don't want to beat the first Tenshi, just don't; even methods like uberpumping all your stuff into one ideal blasting character and Tome of Resurrecting them after to get it all back... still makes the fight pretty difficult and RNG to win unless you grind like 10 levels. Don't worry about it.

MANoBadAssGar Jr. · « **Reply #813 on:** August 30, 2016, 04:25:31 AM »

So that means its not the only one in entire playthrough
Aight, thanks sailor moon, time to not totally get wrecked by that beitch

novice259 · « **Reply #814 on:** August 30, 2016, 11:34:32 AM »

Hello everyone! I'm thinking of starting NG+, planning to use characters I haven't used very much (Cirno, Meiling etc.) and those who I recruited late and didn't get a chance to shine (Yukari). I am open to suggestions for possible teams, I'm thinking I'll switch up after every floor or something to keep some variety. Are there any changes in NG+ besides starting with everyone? I'm pretty sure it's just the Touhou bosses disappearing though I'm probably wrong.

Marbychu · « **Reply #815 on:** August 30, 2016, 03:23:01 PM »

Quote from: novice259 on August 30, 2016, 11:34:32 AM

Hello everyone! I'm thinking of starting NG+, planning to use characters I haven't used very much (Cirno, Meiling etc.) and those who I recruited late and didn't get a chance to shine (Yukari). I am open to suggestions for possible teams, I'm thinking I'll switch up after every floor or something to keep some variety. Are there any changes in NG+ besides starting with everyone? I'm pretty sure it's just the Touhou bosses disappearing though I'm probably wrong.

The Touhou bosses actually stay, making it possible to fight Kaguya with Kaguya, Komachi with Komachi, etc. Also, that one boss on the 3rd floor (I can't remember its name, but it's the plant thing you fight with Yukari and Yuyuko) is now fought with just your party (as in, you don't get a high level Yukari/Yuyuko to help out), but it's at a lower level to compensate. The challenge level for it stays the same though, if I remember correctly.

There's also 3 of the postgame bosses disappearing if you start with EVERY character, but this isn't meant to happen because of NG+; it's due to a glitch.

Other than that, I don't THINK anything else changes, but feel free to prove me wrong, anyone. I haven't played this game in a while sooo...

Serela · « **Reply #816 on:** August 31, 2016, 12:47:43 AM »

I think that's it. I'm not sure if the disappearing glitch was entirely consistent, though. I think I tried opening an NG+ save with -every- character and I didn't get the 3 achievements that confirm those bosses are locked out.

But it's been a looong time since I peeked at that.

jester147 · « **Reply #817 on:** August 31, 2016, 12:52:42 AM »

Quote from: novice259 on August 30, 2016, 11:34:32 AM

Hello everyone! I'm thinking of starting NG+, planning to use characters I haven't used very much (Cirno, Meiling etc.) and those who I recruited late and didn't get a chance to shine (Yukari). I am open to suggestions for possible teams, I'm thinking I'll switch up after every floor or something to keep some variety. Are there any changes in NG+ besides starting with everyone? I'm pretty sure it's just the Touhou bosses disappearing though I'm probably wrong.

So... LoT1 or LoT2?

Either game still has the Touhou bosses.
For LoT1 teams there are many options. Speedy Cirno, Rumia for hitting and some healing, Orin for slightly fast hitter, Mystia is stronger and faster Cirno without SPD debuff.

I don't know much about LoT2, sorry.

novice259 · « **Reply #818 on:** August 31, 2016, 01:31:57 AM »

Thank you everyone for your replies! Yeah, I don't know why I thought the Touhou bosses disappear, I recall reading somewhere that they did but I must have misunderstood.

I started my NG+ and then I saw all the character events were still there and

It looks like I still need to complete character events to advance, even though I already have everyone.

Quote from: Marbychu on August 30, 2016, 03:23:01 PM

The Touhou bosses actually stay, making it possible to fight Kaguya with Kaguya, Komachi with Komachi, etc.

Yeah, I fought Youmu with Youmu, my Youmu was the only casualty (why is Youmu so terrible). I look forward to Komachi vs Komachi.

Quote from: jester147 on August 31, 2016, 12:52:42 AM

So... LoT1 or LoT2?

Sorry for not being clear, I meant LoT2.

Lollipop · « **Reply #819 on:** August 31, 2016, 03:06:07 AM »

I just obtained my first Stone of Awakening, and it doesn't seem like there's an unlimited amount amount of them, so the question is, how many Stones of Awakening are in the game, and where are they located?

Also, for special items like Mr. Midnight Oil Sets, are they supposed to be equipped, or does their effect work simply by possessing them?

novice259 · « **Reply #820 on:** August 31, 2016, 04:56:59 AM »

Quote from: Lollipop on August 31, 2016, 03:06:07 AM

I just obtained my first Stone of Awakening, and it doesn't seem like there's an unlimited amount amount of them, so the question is, how many Stones of Awakening are in the game, and where are they located?

Also, for special items like Mr. Midnight Oil Sets, are they supposed to be equipped, or does their effect work simply by possessing them?

There are 12 Stones in total, two of which are obtained in Post-game areas, the rest are found in specific floors leading up to the final boss. If you're using the wiki, it tells you which floors the Stones are found on. Once you've obtained all 12 Stones, you'll get a Jewel of Greater Awakening that grants you unlimited Subclasses. Mr. Midnight Oil Sets, Kanenoki Kobans and Item Discovery Weeklys don't need to be equipped, their effects work automatically.

I hope that answers your questions.

Shadowlupus · « **Reply #821 on:** August 31, 2016, 07:29:28 AM »

Quote from: novice259 on August 31, 2016, 01:31:57 AM

I started my NG+ and then I saw all the character events were still there and It looks like I still need to complete character events to advance, even though I already have everyone.

Only Youmu's event is needed to trigger and finish every time you start NG+. You don't need to recruit any required characters again to get pass the blocking rocks. However, some of the events/bosses will not show up unless you trigger a certain event.

For example, if you don't trigger Rin's event, you won't find Satori in order to remove the blocking exclamation marks and thus cannot move further into the game.

novice259 · « **Reply #822 on:** August 31, 2016, 08:19:03 AM »

Quote from: Kageshirou on August 31, 2016, 07:29:28 AM

Only Youmu's event is needed to trigger and finish every time you start NG+. You don't need to recruit any required characters again to get pass the blocking rocks. However, some of the events/bosses will not show up unless you trigger a certain event.

For example, if you don't trigger Rin's event, you won't find Satori in order to remove the blocking exclamation marks and thus cannot move further into the game.

Ah I see, so I just need to find all the events again. Thanks for the clarification.

Just something I thought of, for those who have used Youmu, what kind of build does she do well in? I feel her spellcards are way too slow and weak to use in an attack build, so I figured she's best as some kind of tank, getting buffed each turn with Meikyo Shisui.

Serela · « **Reply #823 on:** August 31, 2016, 12:40:14 PM »

Youmu is probably the worst character in the game, unfortunately. Meikyo Shisui isn't particularly great because she's not going to get anything done if you're not casting skills, even tanks will eventually have useful support subclasses. Her skills cost too much mp and are weaker than other dedicated attackers, and she doesn't bring much to the table as a tank, especially with her abysmal Mind stat that will get her murderized by any magic- that pretty much excludes her from any consideration of being a tank most of the time.

She's an okay tank early in the game against stuff without much magic (at this point meikyo shisui's passive buffs probably ARE worth using), and her damage isn't -terrible- if you just really like Youmu, but she really... doesn't do particularly great at anything. She's the perfect tank for the Komachi fight and after that she's just kind of bad. If you insisted on using her you might want to focus on Desperation to try to improve her damage- the increase would be more than 25% and being under 60% max hp isn't soo bad.

I think she's the only character I'd say is just bad, though. Granted, there's a few others that are "Well, they're getting a lot more useful in Plus Disk.". IIRC in Plus she does get a nice damage bonus passive... near the end of the game, but only enough to make her a lot less bad, still not enough to make her a legitimate considerable option versus others.

Lollipop · « **Reply #824 on:** September 01, 2016, 07:45:20 PM »

Is there a way to boost MP regen? Kaguya is really powerful with the "Royal People Of The Moon" skill, but her mana depletes really quickly, and her mp regen is the stuff of nightmares.

Also, I need tips for the Yuugi boss fight, as well as Alice.

Serela · « **Reply #825 on:** September 02, 2016, 12:31:39 PM »

It's helpful to use multitarget moves, especially ones that hit the doll summons weaknesses, on the Alice fight. I really don't remember, although I think Wind and Cold were good... otherwise, if you've got someone like Hina to blanket debuff everything, that might make it pretty easy too.

There's some main equips (and eventually one sub equip) to boost MP regen. Kaguya definitely needs at least one more point. With that and her passive to increase back row regen, she's awesome.

Yuugi... hrm, I didn't have trouble with that fight. She just blasts out one person at a time, right? Damage rush it. Blast her with all the magic and other various moves you've got. She's an FOE instead of a proper boss, right? That'd mean you can overlevel for her, too, if needed. edit:Wiki says she's weak to Wind, Mystic, Spirit, and poison.

elminster1372 · « **Reply #826 on:** September 03, 2016, 11:23:26 AM »

About Yuugi... you could also try to employ either Kasen/Mokou with their "Resurrection" ability, or Aya as an evasion tank (possibly both)

Kirin no Sora · « **Reply #827 on:** September 03, 2016, 11:19:02 PM »

Quote from: elminster1372 on September 03, 2016, 11:23:26 AM

About Yuugi... you could also try to employ either Kasen/Mokou with their "Resurrection" ability, or Aya as an evasion tank (possibly both)

Uh, Kasen has Guts, not Resurrection, and the chance of chance of Guts triggering is 50%, as opposed to Mokou's 90% with Resurrection. Still, it does help(I remember it working 2-3 times during my fight with Yuugi), so it's not to be discounted by any means.

Also, the Alice fight is painful if you don't guard yourself against Heavy, since it locks you in place for so long, and you'll need to pack some fire and physical resistance to deal with her stronger attacks.

jaxter0987 · « **Reply #828 on:** September 05, 2016, 10:46:29 AM »

There's certainly more than one sub equip that raises MP Regen but for your purposes in going through the main game, just know the MP Regen boosting items are few and far between.

The solution to the whole Maintenance issue is simple: Buff up the base stats of the characters who have Maintenance and lower the effectiveness of Maintenance. As an idea, Maintenance slowly turning Nitori from a sub par flimsy character with weak stats into a late game monster is fine. Its just because equips get so much stronger in the late game and in the post game that she transcends from being a really good bulky attacker to flat out broken. Maintenance on

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works just fine without being oppressively strong even when you give her the best equips. Part of that is due to how

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but really its just because her stats feel balanced with Maintenance in mind.

Kirin no Sora · « **Reply #829 on:** September 05, 2016, 07:30:28 PM »

Quote from: jaxter0987 on September 05, 2016, 10:46:29 AM

The solution to the whole Maintenance issue is simple: Buff up the base stats of the characters who have Maintenance and lower the effectiveness of Maintenance. As an idea, Maintenance slowly turning Nitori from a sub par flimsy character with weak stats into a late game monster is fine. Its just because equips get so much stronger in the late game and in the post game that she transcends from being a really good bulky attacker to flat out broken. Maintenance on
Spoiler:
Renko
works just fine without being oppressively strong even when you give her the best equips. Part of that is due to how
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her offensive spell is mainly for the utility
but really its just because her stats feel balanced with Maintenance in mind.

Huh. I do recall posting something about a solution to Nitori's OP-ness...

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Old Stats:
HP 80 (10.0)
MP 15 (1/18)
Attack 58 (10.8 )
Defense 32 (5.6)
Magic 24 (4.0)
Mind 36 (6.4)
Speed 102 (8.7)
Evasion 15

New Stats:
HP 99 (12.8 )
MP 15 (1/18)
Attack 68 (12.8 )
Defense 44 (8.0)
Magic 24 (4.0)
Mind 48 (8.8 )
Speed 103 (10.2)
Evasion 28

Spellcard Changes:

Attack formula for Kappa's Illusionary Waterfall is now 210% ATK - 90% T.DEF, can debuff both DEF and MND by 28% (chance of infliction is unchanged)
Attack formula for Exteeeending Aaaaarm is now 205% ATK - 65% T.DEF, and post use gauge is now 50%
Portable Versatile Machine now also buffs ACC by the same amount as other stats, and post-use gauge is now 85%

New Spellcards:

Kappa Electro-laser
Target: Enemy Row
Element: WND
Post use gauge: 50%
MP Cost: 5
Formula: 180% ATK - 90% T.DEF
Added Effect: 70 + (SLv * 7)% of inflicting PAR (3000 + (SLv * 300)) on enemies.

Skill Changes:

Effect of Maintenance is now "Increase Stat boosts from Equipment by 50%".
New Skill: Sheer Force.

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My original post actually stated that Sheer Force would replace Maintenance, but I decided to change that, given the discussed topic at hand. The question here would be if this version of Nitori is less OP or even more OP than the original... What do you guys think?

jaxter0987 · « **Reply #830 on:** September 06, 2016, 09:42:56 PM »

Yes you did post about it, but there were unnecessary changes. I also don't like talking about specific numbers since outside of hacking them into the game, the numbers aren't going to change so there's no point in talking about whether a +2 base ATK growth increase or a +2.4 DEF growth increase would make her better or worse.

You've done this multiple times, and for the most part I've ignored it but could you please stop talking about specific changes? This isn't a game where the developers are actively listening to / looking for feedback to change their game. Even if they are, they wouldn't be looking at these specific forums.

Edit: I got a little heated over the fact that you reposted your theoretical changes. You can keep posting these specific changes (not like I can stop you, and its not like you're violating any rule), and I'll just keep ignoring them. No offense to you, I'm just tired of seeing these posts.

Kirin no Sora · « **Reply #831 on:** September 06, 2016, 10:39:22 PM »

To be honest, I actually don't mind if someone tells me to stop. If it's annoying someone, then it's better that someone tells me to stop so that I don't annoy them. Truthfully, I would of wished you would of told me sooner so I wouldn't of kept going on and on about it.

I'm also kind of glad that you did tell me now, because I was thinking of a lot of theory crafting in terms of certain things in the game(namely the sub-classes, but I digress) and posting all of that here, and I'm sure that would of only made things worse for you. I thank you for considering my feelings via your edit as well, since it shows that your words weren't not out of spite, simply annoyance from the heat of the moment.

novice259 · « **Reply #832 on:** September 12, 2016, 12:15:48 AM »

Hi all, got another LoT2 question: Who is overall the most reliable character with single-target healing? From what I understand, Minoriko is the speedy but fragile one, Eirin is slow but tanky and Sanae is somewhere in the middle. I tend to stick with Eirin because she's tanky but I would like to hear what everyone thinks.

Also, progress of my NG+: currently on 7F, preparing for Alice showdown. I've started using Cirno and Mystia, Team 9 synergy is really good. I've been using Remilia as my main tank, she's doing well despite her massive fire weakness*. Kourin sorta sucks right now but I'm sure he'll become a beast after another 20 levels.

*Little anecdote of Mokou fight: I forgot she uses Fujiyama Volcano immediately after losing all HP, I thought I was gonna have to reset. Remilia at full health equipped with Love Machine took Fujiyama Volcano to the face and lived with <100 HP.

jester147 · « **Reply #833 on:** September 12, 2016, 05:17:18 AM »

For single target healing everyone often uses Minoriko. Eirin is unreliable and Sanae is a bit slow. But for healing in general, really, one does not simply survive everything without Reimu.

novice259 · « **Reply #834 on:** September 12, 2016, 05:33:10 AM »

Quote from: jester147 on September 12, 2016, 05:17:18 AM

For single target healing everyone often uses Minoriko. Eirin is unreliable and Sanae is a bit slow. But for healing in general, really, one does not simply survive everything without Reimu.

Oh yes, Reimu is fantastic, 10/10 best multi target heals. I'm not sure why Eirin is unreliable? Is it because of 50% max health heals? I agree with Minoriko and Sanae though. What is Sanae best at? Single target buff everything?

Edit: Just remembered Rumia and Yuuka have multi target heals too. Yuuka's heal sucks but Rumia in a MAG build actually heals a reasonable amount. Does anyone else think so or is her heal actually crap compared to Reimu?

Serela · « **Reply #835 on:** September 12, 2016, 02:11:03 PM »

Jester sounds like he's talking about LoT1.

But this is LoT2! Eirin is godlike. Give her healer subclass and use that instead of Hourai Elixir (unless you need status cure) and she'll overheal for a billion HP. Minoriko is useful for the passive MAG buff and is good at randoms too, although unless you embrace her non-healing abilities heavily (With MAG+ gems she can realistically be a damage+support combo at perma-100% mag buff) you'll be ditching her for other characters with more widespread use later. Sanae is awesome for buffing and fairly durable with nice heals on the side, and Moriya is a solid team synergy. Rumia's heal is great the whole game and if your buffs are covered you can -totally- ditch Reimu for Rumia, no problem. Yuuka's heal may as well not exist, though. Sometimes Extra Attack makes it decent but it's not really a heal, it's a small top-off bonus whilst you try to deal damage.

Azuresands · « **Reply #836 on:** September 25, 2016, 08:31:54 PM »

Hello. I just downloaded this game and was wondering if there was a cheat engine table or something I could use for it that gives you all items, characters experience etc. I haven't found anything so far so if there's one can someone link the download.

jester147 · « **Reply #837 on:** September 27, 2016, 03:01:41 PM »

Let me make this clear:

1. Do not mention that you downloaded the game
2. DO NOT MENTION that you downloaded the game
3. There are links to the cheats at the first post of this thread, check it

Kirin no Sora · « **Reply #838 on:** September 28, 2016, 04:55:06 AM »

Quote from: jester147 on September 27, 2016, 03:01:41 PM

1. Do not mention that you downloaded the game
2. DO NOT MENTION that you downloaded the game

Is that a Fight Club reference, by chance?

@ Azuresands: Feel free to ask us any questions about the game, friend. As Jester has stated, there are tools for cheating the game at the first post of the topic. If you find that any of the links are broken or need some help in something, let us know and we'll see what we can do about it, okay?

DarkAtma · « **Reply #839 on:** September 30, 2016, 03:18:31 PM »

i havent posted in months here :V

still any news about the plus disk or that kinda died off? :ohdear: