Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 15F

[CrazyManiacz]

I'm sure this has been asked before, but I'm asking anyway: What's the best team for 20F Depths?

My current team is:

Front Row:
Meiling
Remilia
Kasen
Aya

Back Row:
Iku (to be switched in by Aya)
Komachi
Rinnosuke
Nazrin
Flandre
Suika
Yuugi
Momiji

Ideally, the front row attackers attack until they run out of TP, at which point Aya will switch in various characters who can 1-shot the current boss. Once everyone's TP is low enough, Rinnosuke will be switched into the front row for the increased money bonus from the consecutive battle bonus, and once he runs out of TP, Komachi will be switched in. After that, Nazrin will be switched in (by Aya, who will still have TP) and they will farm all the monys. Ideally. Oh and Aya can kill stuff too.

The last part I'm not too sure about, whether I should keep Komachi, Rinnosuke, and Nazrin, since they can't 1-shot any boss, but they give mony bonuses and stuff so

On an unrelated note, does anyone know where to find the stats, spellcards, and skills of the Plus Disc characters that are currently released? (who is released anyway)

 

[jester147]

Have you beaten the final boss yet? Regardless, Flandre is the way to go for grinding in the 20F Depths. With the right equip, Gambler class, and ATK boost, she can mow down anything with just Starbow Break. If it's still too weak, Laevatein is the only way to go.

Pair up with Remilia just in case, having synergy and cleaning up things that didn't get one-shotted by Starbow Break.

Also, hi Manic :3

[CrazyManiacz]

Actually I'm mostly focused on making the run as long as possible, and Flandre has a tiny TP pool so it wouldn't be ideal (but i boosted that with Drums) oh and my characters levels are about 135 or so

omg are you from the lobby of touhou gundams i've not seen you for so long

[Otaku]

Speaking of Flandre, I managed to beat her on the second try :3 (although i was pretty overleveled...)

[Serela]

There's a lot of PHYS-weak enemies on 20F depths Flan can nearly one-shot with her normal attack around that level I think, actually (especially with some money dumping into it). Starbow Break is awkward because it annihilates her TP. Iku can work similarly for MYS-weak enemies (of which there is also a lot on 20F) because daaaaamn Sorceror Iku's normal attack is murderous.

[Otaku]

I don't know if it have been said in the earlier posts, but when the full Plus Disk comes out, will it be translated to english?

[Ghaleon]

I haven't been particularly active in this community lately (as if it's the only english touhou community but it seems like it is for every game I care about being fan-translated at the very least, though qazmplok ( forgot spelling, but it's close and dude has many names but qas is the one on this forum iirc, I'd mention others, one I can spell for sure but dunno if he renamed it to avoid recognition on purpose)/deranged kinda try to cover them all when they do their thing from what I've seen) seem to try and cover every English Touhou fan community. So I'm not exactly an authority, but if there is any activity recently, I would expect yes. touhou labyrinth seems like a highly respected game in the english community that seems to have been drama free, plus the original dev doesn't seem to try and screw fan-translations/modders like the dude does for fushigi no gensokyou.

I kinda wish touhou laby was on playism instead of that yukkuri game, which isn't a bad choice by any means but... I think thlaby would have been a better choice.

[qazmlpok]

dude has many names

No I don't.


When the plus disc comes out, I'll do my part. That still requires translators and image editors (I plan on bullying canon on twitter, since he did say he'd do lot2 and didn't).

[RegalStar]

Does anyone know if there's a way to compress videos of LoT1 taken from Fraps for uploading to youtube, without making it super blurry after uploading?

[Otaku]

Once again, I'm stuck at a boss, and I'm wondering is someone could help me out. It's the 16F Black Goddess of Fetility.
I can take the hits pretty easily, my problem is just that I don't do enough damage before it heals itself.

My team:
Guardian Mokou
Byakuren
Nitori
Kaguya
Patchouli
Meiling
Suika
Minoriko
Reisen
Kasen
Eirin
Hexer Hina
Suika

Levels ranging from 75-84.
Is there any change I should make to my team?

[Serela]

Once again, I'm stuck at a boss, and I'm wondering is someone could help me out. It's the 16F Black Goddess of Fetility.
I can take the hits pretty easily, my problem is just that I don't do enough damage before it heals itself.

It's weak to SPI, WND, and PHY, and you've got heavy hitters for a lot of those elements in your party- Meiling (I'd try out Brilliant Light Gem for this fight if you were using Mountain Breaker- iirc it wrecks face here), Nitori, Suika, Kaguya... wait suika is in your list twice :V Anyway, the point is, you've already got more than enough ideal nukers for the fight, and the boss dies -really- fast if you buff everyone up/debuff it and then go to town on it as fast as you can. Just prepare all your stuff before you go on the offensive- get most of them buffed -before- you start expending mp on attacking, and then have Meiling rain pain down from the second slot whilst swapping nukers in/out of the others. TBH I'm surprised you have trouble since this fight is a cakewalk if you've got half the nukers you do. Maybe you need to adjust their build or spend some library money to up the power a little? I'm assuming at least some do have subclasses on and that Hina/Mokou aren't the only ones. Gambler is OP as hell on the glassy nukers- double damage is double damage.

[Ghaleon]

Does anyone know if there's a way to compress videos of LoT1 taken from Fraps for uploading to youtube, without making it super blurry after uploading?

I used to use this handy tutorial from drake using megui for doing that sort of thing like 4 years ago, but it stopped working for me after I got a new pc a couple years ago
https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=1260.0

It says it's very outdated, so it probably doesn't work anymore, but yeah, I can't really offer any newer advice myself sorry, but it's worth a shot if you're pulling your hair out I guess.

[jaxter0987]

Does anyone know if there's a way to compress videos of LoT1 taken from Fraps for uploading to youtube, without making it super blurry after uploading?

I just use OBS for my video recordings now. Fraps file sizes are too cumbersome to deal with and I'd rather not have to compress the video before uploading it.

[ZoomyTsugumi]

Just beat Yukari in LoT1, Reimu 79. I only attacked her with Suwako during the entire battle. It helped that I have put all level up bonuses into her attack and leveled her attack skp to 80+. With a fresh buff from Iku she did 200k each hit. Battle was super easy  :V

EDIT: Finally got past Rinno again at Reimu 95. Hate that fight, so glad to be moving on.

EDIT EDIT: Mari beaten at Reimu 131, Was having a good run, then game crashed, second attempt was kinda bad and I ended up getting overrun during the last phase with only Meiling left. Third time was the charm and I think I only had maybe 3 casualties at most.

[RegalStar]

Just showing that doing damage to Mari before killing her last summon DOES help. I only had to do about 780k damage after she uses Overflowing Unnatural Power.

[ZoomyTsugumi]

Yeah in my second attempt I barely damaged Mari going into the final phase and it was probably what killed me in the end, as I did what seemingly felt like a million in damage and she never died

But yeah my Mari party was Meiling, Reimu, Ran (first time using her for the game), Iku (first time using her for bosses), Alice (tanky build), Rinnosuke, Youmu, Nitori, Suwako, Kaguya, Komachi and Patchouli.
My party for traversing the dungeons was Meiling, Ran, Alice, Rinno, Youmu, Nitori, Suwako, Kaguya, Komachi, Patchouli, Orin and Mokou/Flan

Now that she's done I'm half-grinding, half-playing around with other characters. Seeing if I can fit Yuyuko into the team to help with 20F mobs.
Otherwise some of the V2's are kicking my ass right now, I'm Reimu 143 so that feels like it shouldn't happen but it's happening. In all fairness, I'm not using any strategy I'm just nuking them to death with no preparation, so that might have something to do with it.

[maxwell3094]

Don't know how you could go about checking this but could someone check if the bestiary entry in game for Shredding boss is wrong?  I ended up debuffing him to hell and back when I fought him just now without even using something like Reisen's skill to reduce ailment defense.  1 or 2 lucky ones slipping through I could see but having basically all of them work when he supposedly has a * resistance to it seems really unlikely to me.

Also while I'm already posting does someone mind adding something to the postgame enhanced boss section of the wiki for me?  I wanted to add that the Dark Orb of Reverse Time also detonates itself if its the last orb left but requesting an account takes a bit.

[Serela]

The ingame debuff resist only shows their resistance to ATK debuffs, iirc. There is a separate resist for each kind of debuff, so a boss can heavily resist SPD debuffs but be very vulnerable to all the others, for example.

[ZoomyTsugumi]

I've grinded at least 90 levels now on 20F alone and I'm still only as far as 23F but I must push through

[qazmlpok]

Don't know how you could go about checking this but could someone check if the bestiary entry in game for Shredding boss is wrong?  I ended up debuffing him to hell and back when I fought him just now without even using something like Reisen's skill to reduce ailment defense.  1 or 2 lucky ones slipping through I could see but having basically all of them work when he supposedly has a * resistance to it seems really unlikely to me.

Also while I'm already posting does someone mind adding something to the postgame enhanced boss section of the wiki for me?  I wanted to add that the Dark Orb of Reverse Time also detonates itself if its the last orb left but requesting an account takes a bit.

As Serela said, the bestiary only lists Debuff-Attack. Everything else is significantly lower

            "Debuff-Mind": 0,
            "Debuff-Accuracy": 50,
            "Debuff-Magic": 0,
            "Debuff-Defense": 0,
            "Debuff-Evasion": 50,
            "Debuff-Speed": 25,
            "Debuff-Attack": 100,

[Serela]

Huh. There's numbers for Accuracy and Evasion debuffs. I suppose it makes sense they'd be in there simply because those exist as debuffs in the code, although I can't recall any... there's only a couple (unusual) methods of obtaining them as buffs, either, such as Ran's special Chen buff and Reimu's main character passive buff.

[RegalStar]

So I was fighting Shikieiki with my draft run team; she had just launched her third Last Judgement and immediately used Focus on turn 13. I didn't count damage since I was recording, so I had no idea how many HP she had left, but luckily for me three of the four characters needed to do a quick damage rush were already on field. All I needed to do was switch Minoriko out for Flandre.

However, Yukari was going to have her turn soon, and if Minoriko used that turn to switch herself out for Flandre Yukari would have gotten her turn before Flandre, which is obviously not what I want, so Minoriko should stay on the field for this one turn. Defense buffs and heals obviously don't matter any more when Bar of Ten Kings is coming next turn, so I did the only thing that made sense: launch a Falling Leaves of Madness.

It did 57k damage to Eiki and KO'd her.

[maxwell3094]

The ingame debuff resist only shows their resistance to ATK debuffs, iirc. There is a separate resist for each kind of debuff, so a boss can heavily resist SPD debuffs but be very vulnerable to all the others, for example.

Ah all right.  I had noticed different resists to each stat debuff but I figured the rating given for debuff resist would be all of them taken together instead of based on just one of them.  My mistake then.

[ZoomyTsugumi]

At what level does 24-25F trash become nicely grindable? Cos I'm currently Reimu 217 and its not like hard to clear but mostly annoying to clear and sometimes if they use the wrong attacks both Meiling and slot 2 tank die.
Currently doing all battles there with Meiling/Rinno or Komachi/Mystia/Kaguya and Earthshakers are still proving to be a bit of an issue and I'm quite reliant on PAR for a good fight still.

[jester147]

At what level does 24-25F trash become nicely grindable? Cos I'm currently Reimu 217 and its not like hard to clear but mostly annoying to clear and sometimes if they use the wrong attacks both Meiling and slot 2 tank die.
Currently doing all battles there with Meiling/Rinno or Komachi/Mystia/Kaguya and Earthshakers are still proving to be a bit of an issue and I'm quite reliant on PAR for a good fight still.

The postgame areas are mostly not grind material. Wait till you get to 27F where you can grind Liliths for skill points and can farm Gurthangs from the Black Knights.

Your best place is still 20F since it pays off more.

[ZoomyTsugumi]

Dang, thanks. I'm just getting tired of 20F mobs even tho I can basically 1 shot through nearly every solo mob now with Nitori's Megawatt (and the ones that survive just need a regular attack from Flan to bite the dust).

Went out on a limb and tried to fight 22F guardian, lost the first attempt fairly quickly, but I shuffled my party around (read: added rinno to a part with meiling and rumia as the only healers and meiling, komachi, mystia as the only other tanks) and somehow managed to pull a victory out of my ass with the last third of the battle being Mystia and Rinno in slot 3 and 4 switching in Nitori and Flan as soon as they had the SP to nuke the boss.
Did Baal Avatar next and that fight went so smoothly, I think I only lost one character, and that was with the exact same party.  Got the Gurthang drop too, is that 100% or not? Whatever it is, it's delicious for my sweet sweet Flan.

Working on seeing how Kanako fares, and thinking about finally taking Marisa back into my party since I dropped her waayyyyy back in 13F (master spark really doesn't matter all that much in the maingame despite what everyone and the wiki used to always say). Also working on building up Rumia to do kickass damage with Moonlight Ray cos why not.

Not looking forward to the 25F boss though :s

[RegalStar]

If you can push Flandre's SPD to be above 700, I think 22F is also a decent grinding ground. It doesn't take much ATK/MAG for her to OHKO everyone with Laevatein.

And if you're honestly afraid of Agastrobrauma, then go kill Maribel V2 and get Renko. Agastrobrauma is a huge joke with Renko in your team.

[ZoomyTsugumi]

Fought Agastrobrauma a couple of times and I think the second time I was decently close to killing him (you never know with this game tho) but Mari v2 completely owned me  as soon as she used Overflowing Unnatural Power.

I managed to boost Flan to exactly 700 SPD tho so I'm gonna try out 22F grinding then. Maybe if I get 5-10 more levels I will be golden, I did only just reach Reimu 225 at the time of attempting 25F boss (which is the wiki's minimum recommended level).

25F has become a lot more manageable though, as the only things that really show any resistance are the Earthshakers and the Abyss-less whatevers. But so far paralyzing them and then switching in a magic attacker/physical attacker respectively deals with them just fine. SKP gain, while maybe still not being optimal compared to 20F, feels really really really great too.

Maybe if I'd used Yuugi at all during the main game she'd do a ton more FIR damage to 25F. I stuck Flan's Gurthang on her and she managed like 600-800k so if I pumped up her ATK to at least lvl150 imagine how much that would do.

EDIT: ok pumped a ton of levels into yuugi's ATK and grinded up about 10 levels and now a fully buffed Koi3S is doing damn near 1mil damage. Only problem is, my timing is way out of whack and getting her fully buffed is just as hard as getting her to attack more than once :/

EDIT EDIT: ok fuck this, the boss is too luckshit to cheese with Yuugi being uber-strong. I'm just gonna grind to Reimu 250 while sticking all my SKP into Yuugi's ATK and see what happens then.

[RegalStar]

Maribel v2 is even more vulnerable to prior damage than v1 is. With v1 her HP regenerates to 500k per number of enemy units (which includes herself), but in v2 her HP regenerates to 1m per number of minions (which doesn't include herself). If you do enough prior damage to her, she will not be able to live long enough after Overflowing Unnatural Power to be of any threat. A demonstration

[ZoomyTsugumi]

25F down thanks to a level 222 yuugi with lvl175 ATK doing 800k barely buffed and 1.1mil with a full buff.


EDIT: 26F seems to have much easier to deal with trash (with the exception of hard to kill rainbow insects) than the previous floors and it's got good returns so I'm definitely gonna grind here. Can we also please take a moment to appreciate maze floors cos honestly they're really really nice.

EDIT EDIT: I keep getting wrecked  by Shiki oops.

EDIT EDIT EDIT: Shiki down Reimu 270.  Went the Meiling tanks Last Judgement route and the battle went sooo much easier. Since my only healers are Reimu and Meiling taking in Komachi was too difficult to get her back to full health in time without her losing it all.

I'm so excited though, I've never made it this far without cheating.

EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT: Umm, was Kedamagrammaton supposed to be that easy? It felt weird not having to even grind for a boss for once in Plus disk Beat it first try with very little issue, and Rankain barely even did half of Meiling's HP every time it hit. How shameful.