Author Topic: NoTV 2 Mafia (Game Over, Scum and 3rd Party Win) (Read 98270 times)

PX · « **Reply #600 on:** October 10, 2014, 09:50:28 AM »

Look, there can be no possibility that there are only 3 scum including the converted, as that would mean 4 scum in a 15 player game while the scum get 2 vigs and town has a vig that never shot ever. Basically, it would be the most unbalanced set up ever and I would call Affinity to never host a mafia game again. I would hope you all believe Affinity could put up a decently balanced set up.

Anyways, I'd look towards BT, SP, and Shadoweh as possible partners of Raikaria. I'm going to sleep so I'll look more into it tomorrow

PX · « **Reply #601 on:** October 10, 2014, 09:51:17 AM »

3 scum* not 4
Okay, but basically the idea that there are only 3 scum is silly

G'night

PX · « **Reply #602 on:** October 10, 2014, 09:53:40 AM »

Here's my personal thoughts on Dorian's role since I played it last time.

1) He was town Vampire, thus immune to conversion and able to act N2
2) He had a power role that could catch scum. He succeeded
3) He was post restricted to never give off the idea that he had that power or that he was a vampire. That was information town was never meant to have. He did, he died for it

PX · « **Reply #603 on:** October 10, 2014, 09:58:39 AM »

Oh right, and his scum catching powers only worked on N2 since his flip clearly said that he couldn't use his other mushroom power on N2, meaning he had some other power he had to use

CF7 · « **Reply #604 on:** October 10, 2014, 10:23:22 AM »

@ PX I am not sure if that makes sense or not, but okay, i am sold.
##Vote Raikaria

CF7 · « **Reply #605 on:** October 10, 2014, 10:41:48 AM »

Also i super don't like SB. His play has been not that involved so far without any strong reads and the like. That same could be said against me, but take a look for example at this post
He talks about people he mentions. He says that Shadoweh looked townish. Then points why he doesn't like the people on the list and votes me for the reason, that if people think i am scummy i must be scum.
In next post he talks some more about other people. No mention of Shadoweh.
And in the next post he votes Shadoweh and says he wanted to do it in the last post.
Or maybe i am biassed against people voting for me.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #606 on:** October 10, 2014, 12:36:45 PM »

I skipped plenty of stuff, yay.

I don't think there's a vig? This is probably 6 vs 4 by now.
7 vs 3 with a vig would make D5 4 vs 3 in the worst case scenario, anyways.

I need to reconsider CF7, his D3 was mostly null but his latest post seems to be good. SB never made a case on Shadoweh, and his justification for his vote is pressuring the slot, not finding her scummy. I need to keep thinking about this but I also need to leave.

Quote from: Conqueror on October 10, 2014, 05:09:01 AM

No, he didn't. Mitsuki can confirm. It was mostly just me rambling and asking Mitsuki where she was.

*confirms*

BT · « **Reply #607 on:** October 10, 2014, 02:51:19 PM »

Speedposting because the holiday festivities continue and I'll be back at night. (I was away on family trips for the past two days)

I thought Dorian was the recruit at first which really confused me, but then it would have been more obvoius or probably flipped red. The two Dorian posts Affinity quoted makes it sound like it's exactly what PX says. There's also how I don't know why Rai's useless visitor role would be allowed to snoop around on N2 but that's weaker. I'm reasonably certain this scum is confirmed, but let's not rush on MYLO.

I wanna look at Sky and Shadoweh today. I really disliked Sky's reaction to Rai's claim. I don't actually dislike any of Shadoweh's posts but I feel like she's posting too little. Backing off of NekoNekoRawr - I feel like the post where he voted PX isn't a fake reaction.

That's the big stuff. Other things need analysis. Gotta go like right now.

PX · « **Reply #608 on:** October 10, 2014, 04:01:35 PM »

##Point menacingly at Sky Palladium

I think he's most likely to be scum and Raikaria's partner

Bardiche · « **Reply #609 on:** October 10, 2014, 04:06:16 PM »

I kept looking for a votecount...

Raikaria: PX, Sky_Paladin, Mitsuki, CF7 (4)
PX: Raikaria (1)

Democracy-hating Scumbags: Shadoweh, Conqueror, DrRawr, BT, SB (5)

With 10 left, it takes 6 to lynch.
2 Tage und 12 Stunden

PX · « **Reply #610 on:** October 10, 2014, 04:40:39 PM »

This is subject to change once I get back from work and read through stuff though

SB · « **Reply #611 on:** October 10, 2014, 05:56:31 PM »

Quote from: CF7 on October 10, 2014, 10:41:48 AM

Also i super don't like SB. His play has been not that involved so far without any strong reads and the like. That same could be said against me, but take a look for example at this post
He talks about people he mentions. He says that Shadoweh looked townish. Then points why he doesn't like the people on the list and votes me for the reason, that if people think i am scummy i must be scum.
In next post he talks some more about other people. No mention of Shadoweh.
And in the next post he votes Shadoweh and says he wanted to do it in the last post.
Or maybe i am biassed against people voting for me.

This case sucks lol. You're basically twisting a single aspect of my attack on you to be scummy when you had no issues with it at the time (and hell, you even claimed as a response to it because

) which is stupid. I did bring up Shadoweh in that post too. Read harder. This goes for Mitsuki too, since she said she agreed so she clearly didn't read it thoroughly either and I don't think this is the first time it happened >.>

I'm okay with Rawr's posting at the moment.

SB · « **Reply #612 on:** October 10, 2014, 05:57:00 PM »

Reading back through now, btw.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #613 on:** October 10, 2014, 06:34:54 PM »

Quote from: SB on October 10, 2014, 05:56:31 PM

This goes for Mitsuki too, since she said she agreed so she clearly didn't read it thoroughly either and I don't think this is the first time it happened >.>

Ugh, disregard what I said. I'm trying to read and pay attention, I don't know how I'm managing to mess up so many times...

Conqueror · « **Reply #614 on:** October 10, 2014, 07:27:59 PM »

Px probably right in retrospect given Dorian claimed knowing remilia was cr when listed flip said nothing of sort

Mitsuki, how did Dan say he would communicate his result to you given he couldn't communicate it?

That said uh I'm not sure if scum mitsuki would claim here that Dan told him he was cop the ni h t before he died.

Also moonstone changing makes sense given I got a weird result from last night. But I'd still appreciate it aa I might be able to make use of it.

Raikaria · « **Reply #615 on:** October 10, 2014, 08:18:20 PM »

There isn't actually much I can say or add at this point because the accusations being thrown around seem mainly based on rolespec about stuff from Dorian's flip when Dorian's flip didn't even say anything about a cop.

SB · « **Reply #616 on:** October 10, 2014, 10:08:28 PM »

I went and played Smash instead again gg.

The main things I got from Raikaria's side interactions:
-With the Day 2 wagons (Raikaria pressing CF7 over Oarfish and tying the votes) went down, I'm more inclined to think CF7 is town?
-Don't think that BT was recruited. Raikaria spent yesterday fearmongering him on the basis that he could be recruited which I don't think he would do as his scumbuddy.
-He hard defended Shadoweh earlygame, then switched to a scumread but he kept finding reasons to ignore her and case other lurkers.

By PoE this leaves Mitsuki/NNRawr/PX, but I probably need to reread people and look at the other side of the interactions.

PX · « **Reply #617 on:** October 10, 2014, 10:21:24 PM »

Quote from: Raikaria on October 10, 2014, 08:18:20 PM

There isn't actually much I can say or add at this point because the accusations being thrown around seem mainly based on rolespec about stuff from Dorian's flip when Dorian's flip didn't even say anything about a cop.

Lol then please entertain me. Who are my scum buddies since there is no reason to not assume I'm scum if I'm lynched because game will probably end then

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #618 on:** October 11, 2014, 03:02:38 AM »

It's probably 4 scums. I figure the easiest resolution is that it's MYLO because we can no-lynch today and then we'll still have 9 (and not game over) in day 5. However if we mislynched today then it would be game over day 5. That, in my mind, suggests there is no vig although it doesn't rule out the possibility of some kind of defensive town role.

I think Mitsuki scum slipped when she said Dan confirmed his role to her and made some impossible plan where she would fake role for him but there was no way to get the info to her and then he died, etc. So I figure it's Mitsuki/Shadoweh/Raikaria and either BT or CF7.

Since we're in MYLO and scum haven't all jumped on the Raikaria wagon to force end the game yet, I'm gonna stick with the Raikaria vote.

Raikaria · « **Reply #619 on:** October 11, 2014, 07:37:12 AM »

Quote from: PX on October 10, 2014, 10:21:24 PM

Lol then please entertain me. Who are my scum buddies since there is no reason to not assume I'm scum if I'm lynched because game will probably end then

I think BT might be converted, especially after his change in play D3; so I'll say BT. Other than that? I'd guess Shadoweh for lurkscum. Not sure about another one; if any; since you don't have that many interactions.

PX · « **Reply #620 on:** October 11, 2014, 08:00:23 AM »

You're not even trying anymore meh

Anyone else fancy the idea of a mass claim today or do we wait for D5?

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #621 on:** October 11, 2014, 08:04:55 AM »

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By PoE this leaves Mitsuki/NNRawr/PX, but I probably need to reread people and look at the other side of the interactions.

i dont think thats quite possible with the amount of stupid that came out of my mouth yesterday >.>

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-With the Day 2 wagons (Raikaria pressing CF7 over Oarfish and tying the votes) went down, I'm more inclined to think CF7 is town?

this is completely false besides cf7 probably being town

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That said uh I'm not sure if scum mitsuki would claim here that Dan told him he was cop the ni h t before he died.

did dan every mention anything about him being a power role? its just his death seems super weird. sorry if he did and its a super obvious post, just having to look through so many posts it gets annoying. also since shadoweh is probably also obvious scum i dont think scum shadoweh would also afk vote mitsuki a whole day

Mitsuki · « **Reply #622 on:** October 11, 2014, 08:39:37 AM »

I've spent 12 hours sleeping, and suddenly the thread is making sense for me.

I still think Raikaria is most likely to be recruit scum, as he began acting weird and switching his suspicions in D3. The amount of recruitmentspec also makes me think that he wanted to drive the attention away from himself to other people for being recruited. Dorian's hidden role also makes sense as a conversion checker, since this setup already has a cop.
Not sure why he claimed to have visited on N2 though; maybe he sent an action and thought the lack of result meant he was already converted to a mafia goon?

I think CF7 is scum with Raikaria. As I mentioned before, Raikaria switched his vote from CF7 to PX when his CF7 suspicion was much stronger, and he basically ignored CF7 for the most part. This would also make PX town.

BT and Conqueror are town based on associative reads as well, since I don't think Raikaria would be so open about throwing dirt to his buddies.

Quote from: Conqueror on October 10, 2014, 07:27:59 PM

Mitsuki, how did Dan say he would communicate his result to you given he couldn't communicate it?

He said he'd ask a question to whoever he copped N3, and if it included certain words (scum, guily, mafia) it meant it was a scum result.

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on October 11, 2014, 03:02:38 AM

I think Mitsuki scum slipped when she said Dan confirmed his role to her and made some impossible plan where she would fake role for him but there was no way to get the info to her and then he died, etc.

what
You can pass a message along with the moonstone and he claimed to me there...

Raikaria · « **Reply #623 on:** October 11, 2014, 09:36:43 AM »

Quote from: PX on October 11, 2014, 08:00:23 AM

You're not even trying anymore meh

Anyone else fancy the idea of a mass claim today or do we wait for D5?

Well I can't exactly defend myself from obscene cases like 'Raikaria is playing different Day 3 for reasons we're not explaining' and 'Dorian suicided so Raikaria is scum despite his flip saying nothing to show this'.

And since all the content is about me, I can't exactly form new cases. And I had already exhausted all my stuff by mid Day 3. And Actiondan is dead.

Seriously, well done PX. You and your scum team have been systematically shutting off all my avenues for doing anything. I'm out of cases because I've used everything I think is scummy and the content levels are so darn low it's hilarious. I can't exactly defend myself from the 'case' on me either.

By the way; what actually IS the case at this point?

- 'Raikaria is acting differently Day 3' - Well; firstly; I couldn't have been converted. Actiondan's flip proves town-sided non-humans do exist. You do not have any reason to doubt my claim of Youkai; and thus nonconvertible. Secondly; quantification of this is hard.
- 'Dorian suicided' - And how exactly does this prove me scum? Dorian's flip says nothing about investigation; or even how he suicided. Sorry but there's nothing that is actually evidence here. For all we know scum gave him a taboo which if he broke he would die and he decided to play it up to try and get me lynched for god knows what reason.

Aside from those two heavily flawed points; what is the actual case on me? I'd at least like to know why I am being strung up so I can defend myself; or so town knows after I flip who to string up for pushing such a silly wagon.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #624 on:** October 11, 2014, 09:38:10 AM »

Ya'll graced with my presence as my internet decided to turn back on, bask in the wonders of my miracles!
I supose the probable teams are different depending on whether Rairai is recruit scum or not, but anyone thinking he's a recruit is kind of dumb? He wouldn't have a fakeclaim to mess up if he started as a human, numnuts.
Mitsuki has been making cases on other people based on me being scum. Pretty easy to retract when I theoretically flip town and everything is wrong. The parts she's claiming about what Dan said sound like things Dan would have said, but it's pretty easy to just repeat what a real townie said. (see: every QT ever).

Also you all need to learn how to read, Dorian flipped Town Mycologist, not Mafia Goon. It was even in green! (i thought he was a miller, I didn't realize he was actually a vampire instead of just looking like one)

Raikaria · « **Reply #625 on:** October 11, 2014, 09:40:09 AM »

Also Mitsuki:

Actiondan flipped Tengu. I claim Youkai. The rules state the vampires can only convert Humans

BT · « **Reply #626 on:** October 11, 2014, 10:02:26 AM »

Quote from: Raikaria on October 11, 2014, 09:36:43 AM

Aside from those two heavily flawed points; what is the actual case on me? I'd at least like to know why I am being strung up so I can defend myself; or so town knows after I flip who to string up for pushing such a silly wagon.

"It is now Day Four. It also now psuedo-MyLO. While no lynch is guaranteed to not end the game, a mislynch may result in a loss for town."

BT · « **Reply #627 on:** October 11, 2014, 10:03:54 AM »

Seriously, in the off-chance you're town, you realize that we can lose after tonight, right?

Mitsuki · « **Reply #628 on:** October 11, 2014, 10:11:26 AM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on October 11, 2014, 09:38:10 AM

Mitsuki has been making cases on other people based on me being scum. Pretty easy to retract when I theoretically flip town and everything is wrong. The parts she's claiming about what Dan said sound like things Dan would have said, but it's pretty easy to just repeat what a real townie said. (see: every QT ever).

What? No. I've been thinking you're null.
I don't understand what you're trying to say with the second sentence.

Raikaria · « **Reply #629 on:** October 11, 2014, 10:37:35 AM »

Quote from: BT on October 11, 2014, 10:03:54 AM

Seriously, in the off-chance you're town, you realize that we can lose after tonight, right?

I assume there is a chance that the game does not end tonight if we mislynch because if there was a chance it could be LYLO it would be pseudo LYLO; not MYLO.

And it's njot an off chance I am town. There isn't even a solid case on which which stands on it's own two feet without a glaring flaw like 'Dorian's flip doesn't contain anything which shows I am not town'.