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Lexicat · « **Reply #780 on:** September 17, 2014, 12:49:03 PM »

er, a Moridin/Affinity/Sky Paladin LyLo is what I meant.

Basically,I'm never lynching Sky Paladin and if Moridin by some grace of hell flips town, I'm turbo lynching Affinity tomorrow.

Serela · « **Reply #781 on:** September 17, 2014, 01:03:46 PM »

I think my biggest issue with LLD at this point might just be that she has the sheer audacity to say things like how she cared in the slightest about building any town cred, followed by "How DARE you doubt that I'm town you idiot".

Anyway, if you're not voting SkyPal I don't need to worry about him getting lynched tomorrow.

The moridin lynch marches on! That's good, because he's probably the scum. >_>

Serela · « **Reply #782 on:** September 17, 2014, 01:04:45 PM »

I'm an idiot because if lld is scum she'd just quickhammer skypal

w/e

I can't control everything

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #783 on:** September 17, 2014, 01:16:42 PM »

1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3,
It's up to you!

Moridin: (2) Lexicat, Serela
Lexicat: (2) Moridin84, Sky_Paladin

Not voting: Dorian, Affinity,
Four votes needed to Lynch
You have 30 hours

Serela · « **Reply #784 on:** September 17, 2014, 01:57:23 PM »

Affinity, just please don't vote SkyPal until after LLD does tomorrow, if you're going to go that route. Voting SkyPal first just means a scum!LLD could quickhammer, without providing any benefit if LLD is town because she'd still have to be convinced of the Sky lynch over your own.

Which I admit seems quite unlikely based on what she's said, you probably just have to accept that Sky is too firmly town in everyone else's eyes to get lynched in any way other than scum quickhammer (which unfortunately only works if he's town!)

Anyway seriously can we lynch Moridin yet, while we're all bickering amongst ourselves Moridin is just staring at us and he's probably the scum anyway.

Serela · « **Reply #785 on:** September 17, 2014, 01:59:07 PM »

(and yes I'm very aware "just give up" is an awful thing to say but I'm not saying "just give up" so much as "you're just going to have to settle for an lld lynch tomorrow instead if that situation happens")

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #786 on:** September 17, 2014, 03:31:45 PM »

Serela, the point is that Affinity seems likely to vote me over Lexi in the next day phase, so she can say whatever she damn well pleases and nobody is able to stop her. Well, pending AffInity ISO of course. That is why we need claims from Lexi, myself, and ideally Affinity. If Lexi can explain herself or make a good case on why scum!Affnity is legit, I could vote Affinity. That would be a long shot. My point is, if we are wrong about Moridin, it's probably going to be Lexi/Affinity/Sky next day phase, so why not prepare today for that eventuality. People just say "ah well if its Sky or Affinity gg wp." Why give up? Especially from Lexi who needs to convince me that Affinity is scum. If we are right about Moridin, it doesn't matter, but if we are wrong and basically did nothing then we will probably lose.

That said I feel pretty confident Moridin is scum, so. I also note that he's been around at least twice since Dorians case with no response at all. Of course Schezo afkd to death too so who knows.

I'd be happy to vote Moridin once I see claims.

Serela · « **Reply #787 on:** September 17, 2014, 03:33:52 PM »

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Why give up?

Uh, it's not giving up. We already thoroughly examined Affinity/You and solidly think you're town. If we're wrong, then we're wrong. We're pretty sure we're not wrong?

Serela · « **Reply #788 on:** September 17, 2014, 03:34:54 PM »

Anyway I like to think if LLD just suddenly changed her tune and went "Oh hey sure I'll lynch SkyPal!" from literally having just said "I'd never lynch SkyPaladin" then it'd ring all of Affinity's alarm bells.

Moridin · « **Reply #789 on:** September 17, 2014, 04:23:08 PM »

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on September 17, 2014, 03:31:45 PM

That said I feel pretty confident Moridin is scum, so. I also note that he's been around at least twice since Dorians case with no response at all. Of course Schezo afkd to death too so who knows.

Been around several times actually.

Was I supposed to respond to that? I asked for a proper case and Dorion gave one to me, I figured he was just being nice. If I got something like that last week it might be worth responding it, but it's a bit academic at this point.

It doesn't really matter anyway. Lynch Lexicat today and we win. Lynch me today and Lexicat tomorrow and we win. Same difference.

Affinity · « **Reply #790 on:** September 17, 2014, 04:26:10 PM »

Yeah, I know. But I don't know who I'll vote for tomorrow actually, if there's one.

LLD, are you an investigative role?

Moridin · « **Reply #791 on:** September 17, 2014, 07:11:53 PM »

Quote from: Affinity on September 17, 2014, 04:26:10 PM

Yeah, I know. But I don't know who I'll vote for tomorrow actually, if there's one.

LLD, are you an investigative role?

Wait what?

Serala, Dorion, and Sky are pretty TOWN. Next most suspicious one would be you.

If Lexicat was a cop she'd probably not be switching around her votes so much. Probably a vanila but doesn't want to say cause Sky's being so pushy.

Affinity · « **Reply #792 on:** September 17, 2014, 07:32:01 PM »

Why do you feel that he's townier than me. Yeah reasons are swimming around, just wanted to hear what you think (if you hadn't already.

Dorian White · « **Reply #793 on:** September 17, 2014, 08:06:24 PM »

That's actual interesting indeed.
So Moridin, if you have any reason to suspect Affinity or to clear Lucy then out with it. It could only make you situation better.

Dorian White · « **Reply #794 on:** September 17, 2014, 08:15:28 PM »

By the way Affinity, did that actually happened?

Quote from: Affinity on September 17, 2014, 06:42:52 AM

Fair enough, I admit I am scared of her. I'll do the ISO tomorrow with reference to your case.

And if yes, then what's your conclusion on it?

Moridin · « **Reply #795 on:** September 17, 2014, 08:48:47 PM »

Quote from: Affinity on September 17, 2014, 07:32:01 PM

Why do you feel that he's townier than me. Yeah reasons are swimming around, just wanted to hear what you think (if you hadn't already.

His one-sided crusade against Lexicat is crazy no matter how you slice it. If he was MAFIA then is no way he would "commit" that much.

If he doesn't do anything and Lexicat gets lynched, I will probably get lynched tomorrow, so there is no need to throw doubt on Affinity or anyone else.

Plus as MAFIA, pushing back against the lynch there, against the person who he was been trying to get lynched for two actual weeks, makes no sense. Well... it actually makes no sense regardless but... *shrugs*

Quote from: Dorion

So Moridin, if you have any reason to suspect Affinity or to clear Lucy then out with it. It could only make you situation better.

I'm working on a process of elimination here.

You and Serala are almost TOWN-cleared due to this lovers thing. Sky is too crazy to be MAFIA. Affinity pushed both MAFIA lynches. Thus the MAFIA must be me or Lexicat. It's not me so it's Lexicat.

I'm giving you the have the opposite of those two things. Sorry :p

Affinity · « **Reply #796 on:** September 17, 2014, 09:10:52 PM »

I'm a bit busy now

tonight maybe

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #797 on:** September 17, 2014, 11:27:59 PM »

If it's summer, that means it's time for fireworks!

Moridin: (2) Lexicat, Serela
Lexicat: (2) Moridin84, Sky_Paladin

Not voting: Dorian, Affinity,
Four votes needed to Lynch
You have 20 hours

Affinity · « **Reply #798 on:** September 18, 2014, 01:22:14 AM »

sadly a torrent of deadlines came up and time is stolen from me and so everything is in darkness.

thing with lld is that what she does is kinda taken at face value. there isn't much to question. i do agree that lld's D2 vote for bardiche is not that convincing despite talking to huhwhat a bit about it, because her vote was on Sky (it makes sense) until the end of the day when she town cleared him. but it's still better-looking than if she had voted moridin, because if she was right once, why not be wrong once as well and try to forward a mislynch? but yeah, sky's D2 is better. he could have stuck onto dorian longer than he did.

the rest of the time, I think her style is null. believe it or not i don't fault her for her 'defence' against sky's long long cases; such is the power of wit. her refusal to lynch Schezo yesterday gives the illusion of opinion etc. whatever, yeah i agree it pales in comparison to sky's participation points and stuff it isn't hard to see.

but in the near-unanimous call for a moridin -> lld lynch, i think there's a need for a devil's advocate. sky's playing the game, no doubt about that, but the question is whether he's playing with all his heart as town rather than scum? i don't agree with the idea that investing lots into a case makes someone town, or that it creates any 'connections', there are none whatsoever, there are not even being disucssed right now. as the last scum, they have to and can do whatever it takes to win without fear, and Sky fits into that context quite successfully I think. ive a feeling that im perceiving sky as a bit too arrogant and pushy with questionable logic, and that might be coloring my opinion on him (revealing my weaknesses too). but at the end of it all im for lynching moridin today and keeping my opinion tmr a secret for some tension. if, in the lld/sky/affinity lylo lld votes me, then my opinion doesn't really matter anyways.

one thing's changed, I think sky brings a good point about the possibility of LLD for the case of her being an investigative role, and i would like her to tell us if she is one.

that's it i guess.

i'll be back before the deadline and stuff.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #799 on:** September 18, 2014, 01:34:56 AM »

Affinity, food for thought.

Why does Lexi's dubious day 1 Raikaria vote give her a town clear, when my votes/actions on Bard don't clear me? Look at day 2.

Here's a strip of quotes in the order they appeared.

Quote from: Lexicat on September 09, 2014, 02:18:02 AM

I'm down to lynch Moridin or Sky Palladin today. Not interested in a cf7 or Bard lynch.

Quote from: Lexicat on September 09, 2014, 08:35:14 AM

I changed my mind, I'm happy to lynch Bard or Sky today.

Quote from: Lexicat on September 09, 2014, 10:07:19 AM

On the other hand I still have no reason to explain what I'm thinking.

Prims, you're gonna have to sell me on Bard today.

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on September 09, 2014, 11:07:41 AM

I have reason to beleive Just and Lexi are sharing a quicktopic. I don't know if it is as neighbors, masons, or scum, but Lexi's refusal to clarify makes me think it is the latter. This also explains why Bard skipped Lexi in Prims case, earlier.

Therefore I'm going to go with a flip of Bard being very likely to be scum, and also indicative of Lexi's alignment. Just has more votes than Lexi, so Ill vote Bard.

##invote
##vote Just

I'll explain why I came to this conclusion in a little bit and others can agree/disagree with my interpretation of events. But for now I want to see some responses to my many, many questions, and content from Just and Lexi.

Quote from: Turnover Zakeri on September 09, 2014, 06:27:26 PM

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Just: (4) Prims, Affinity, Sky_Paladin, Moridin84
Moridin: (2) Schezo, Just
Sky_Paladin: (2) Dorian, Lexicat
Primms: (1) CF7
CF7: (1) ActionDan

6 votes needed for majority
You have 29 Hours
CF7 has requested replacement. His vote will remain until I can confirm a new player.

Quote from: Lexicat on September 09, 2014, 10:54:29 PM

Anyway, you're town. Annoyingly bad, but town.

Vote: Just

I figure this is what I need to do today, but I'm a little nervous about Moridin/Affinity.

***

You don't need to re-read the whole game. Just read pages 16-18. That's all you need to do.

Serela/Dorian, please ask Lexi to claim because now, even Affinity is asking for it.

Serela, the reason we have a problem is that Affinity says that Lexi is town, in the face of overwhelming opposition. People are calling me crazy for wanting to lynch Lexi before Morridin, when Affinity is actually maintaining that Lexi is town (and by implication, I must be scum if Morridin flips green). So it's not sufficient to just lynch Morridon today and move on; the next day phase will be disastrous if you allow two players with opposing opinions about a third player who has their own mysterious agenda to decide the game.

In fact, Affinity is arguing so hard in Lexi's defence, in defiance of what everybody else is saying, that I'm starting to consider if the reason he is doing it is because he is scum and wants to win control of her vote in LYLO.

We assume that Dorian/Serela are going to explode this night, but it's possible scum!Affinity would shoot me and push for an easy Lexi mislynch. The main argument I feel for Affinity being town is the same as me-town -> there's no reason for scum to argue this hard against a popular lynch, if that lynch is on town. Therefore I want to believe the game is as simple as lynch Moridin then lynch Lexi, it's just that Affinity is making me feel like it's really going to be lynch Moridin, then mislynch Sky, and town loses.

We're gonna have to lynch Lexi first.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #800 on:** September 18, 2014, 01:42:04 AM »

I mean stuff like this from Affinity today -

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thing with lld is that what she does is kinda taken at face value. there isn't much to question.

There is plenty to question, like why she voted for certain players, why she won't give reads on players, why she won't post cases, it's just that she responds to questions with threats and insults, and you feel that you need to defend her for some reason. She is capable of defending herself and is choosing not to, because why should she lift a finger when she already has you wrapped around it?

All you have to do is treat her with the same respect you afford all other players, see her as an equal, and stop letting her remain aloof over you. You have as much right to this game as she does. Don't let her bully you into submission.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #801 on:** September 18, 2014, 01:57:52 AM »

Actually never mind about that claim.

Lexi is likely some kind of investigator/trackerthing. On night 1 she probably checked Dorian, hence asking for his instructions for claiming. On night 2 she probably checked Schezo, thus explaining why she cleared him but wouldn't say why. On night 3, she probably checked me, thus explaining her surprise (but continuing) town clear of me.

So from Lexi's POV scums are Moridin or Affinity. Is that about right?

Affinity · « **Reply #802 on:** September 18, 2014, 04:00:41 AM »

they do. i mention that day 2 you're better and they do clear you to some extent. that's why the decision between you and her is so hard.

im not maintaining that LLD is surely town, it's just that there are reasons to think so and they deserve some consideration. please don't misunderstand me. as i said, im just playing devil's advocate; what if Sky is scum and not LLD? i just think that this view is possible and deserves more consideration than it is receiving now. I'm not questioning her lack of posts/reasoning and stuff, because that's her playstyle as as town and scum and I've played in games with her before. that's why that part of your reasons don't have the same impact as they would have on another player.

if im scum i would not want to draw attention to myself like that. i would have been satisfied with the moridin/lld lynch and chip in the appropriate reasoning for such votes (pretty easy to find actually). so please don't fault me for providing an alternative view here. i've tried to reason it out though. im not winning any popularity contests with this measure.

i refuse letting moridin live till LyLO; simply don't trust him making a crucial decision as town or letting him live till then as scum.

man why do you keep putting words into people's mouth to the point of claiming for others? let them do it themselves.

Affinity · « **Reply #803 on:** September 18, 2014, 04:02:32 AM »

also could everyone (other than moridin) clarify why they think Sky is town? this is not a rhetorical thing i just kinda want to understand.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #804 on:** September 18, 2014, 05:31:49 AM »

Affinity

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man why do you keep putting words into people's mouth to the point of claiming for others?

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her being an investigative role, and i would like her to tell us if she is one.

Right.

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if im scum i would not want to draw attention to myself like that. i would have been satisfied with the moridin/lld lynch and chip in the appropriate reasoning for such votes (pretty easy to find actually). so please don't fault me for providing an alternative view here.

Your main argument for why you are not scum is the same argument for why I am not scum, so we can't consider it for the purposes of 'scuminess'.

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also could everyone (other than moridin) clarify why they think Sky is town?

I actually really want to vote you for this. If you think I'm scum, then you are also interested in Moridin's opinion because if I'm scum, he's not. I also feel you're asking the wrong question - shouldn't you be asking 'Why does everybody think Lexi is scum?'.

I'm kind of suspicious of you because you have time to post such contradictory statements and won't actually push Lexi because "you're afraid of her". At this point I'm not guaranteed to vote for Lexi in LYLO because your play during this day phase has been significantly anti-town. You know if Lexi claims and can justify it/her behavior, it's not so easy to lynch her in LYLO.

So I'm putting all my chips into Moridin being scum, because if I have to pick between Lexi and Affinity, it's Medaka Box mafia all over again, and I don't want to lose another submarine to team Bard.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #805 on:** September 18, 2014, 05:34:02 AM »

##unvote

I'll switch to Moridin later, I am no longer confident of my Lexi vote.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #806 on:** September 18, 2014, 06:19:27 AM »

Later = now.

I'm tired. It's clear that Lexi is not going to claim. Dorian and Serela are content to die and lose if Moridin is town and are no use at all. It's going to be a three way between Affinity, Lexi and myself, and nothing today has changed that fact or the conditions.

Lexi/Affinity, if you have anything to claim or say before phase end. Seeing as Lexi hasn't claimed, and Affinity will refuse to claim and refuse to allow Lexi to claim, I guess I can't claim either.

##vote Moridin

Dorian White · « **Reply #807 on:** September 18, 2014, 06:45:50 AM »

Quote from: Affinity on September 18, 2014, 04:02:32 AM

also could everyone (other than moridin) clarify why they think Sky is town? this is not a rhetorical thing i just kinda want to understand.

Sky is town because his play from mid day two on could be only summarize as refuge in audacity.
I could actually see him doing that as scum but the theme of his post doesn't fit. He doesn't just pushes weird conspiracy stuff and leave it nor is it the ?try hard but go with the flow? attitude that he had as Yukari. He's screaming ?why wouldn't you listen to me? all day with a emphasis and presence that's just plain unfitting for a scum agenda.

By the way Sky, I think Affinity left Moridin out on that question, because he gave his opinion on that matter already. Not because he don't cares.

Affinity · « **Reply #808 on:** September 18, 2014, 08:11:02 AM »

I know why LLD is scummy, you and Serela have elaborated on that quite a bit already and I've been mulling over it. I've already asked moridin about the question and he gave an answer already, I'm just interested in others' opinion on you. For example, Dorian gave a meta reference to you as scum in another game, which is quite informative I guess. I'm not seeking to discredit you forcefully or anything.

You are mistaken, I do want LLD to answer the question as to whether she is an investigative role or not. But in your post, you assumed that she already was one and said 'never mind about the claim', which I thought was strange.

Sky, I gave my reasons as to why I think LLD might be town and I did my best to justify them. I agree that your D2 gives you a town-clear and I mentioned it.

Sigh, you know what, let's cut it. This exchange doesn't have much of an effect on the rest of the game and there's a rift between us. Guess it was a mistake as either alignment to go against the accepted wisdom and discuss it, now everything's in ever greater uncertainty.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #809 on:** September 18, 2014, 08:44:28 AM »

I'm just exhausted. Phase end will be while I'm asleep so I think I'm unable to contribute anything more useful for the remainder of this phase.

I was just alarmed that you were going to vote me over Lexi for reasons that I couldn't understand! As long as you don't vote me straight away in LYLO I can surely do the same for you. I think our discussion was useful, even if Moridin flips green we have a lot more to go on than if we had just sat on our hands and done nothing.