Author Topic: Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Superb) (Read 108877 times)

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #510 on:** September 10, 2014, 04:47:09 PM »

FYI If you fine folks want to lynch Lexi instead of Bard, I'm okay with that too.

Schezo · « **Reply #511 on:** September 10, 2014, 04:55:08 PM »

Quote from: Schezo on September 10, 2014, 03:51:47 AM

Actually, sky do me this big huge favor and sheep my Moridin votes and sheep it's case and I'll do something cool.

No but seriously

Affinity · « **Reply #512 on:** September 10, 2014, 04:57:41 PM »

Sky I'm gonna ignore you until you start listening to other people.

Bardiche · « **Reply #513 on:** September 10, 2014, 05:05:01 PM »

So I'm scummy because you think LSD is Scum? That logic strikes me as terrible.

All ravens are black birds.
This is a black bird.
Therefore, this is a raven.

The observation I made during Medaka Box neglected to mention how you also have a fondness for logical fallacies.

Variable B = Bard's alignment
Variable L = LSD's alignment
You know neither L nor B. Yet your case is the hypothesis: Value L = Scum.
Without proving nor validating that hypothesis, you conclude: Value B = equal to value L.
In other words, you're arbitrarily treating a hypothesis as fact without testing it (and your hypothesis is picked arbitrarily because ~NO ONE COULD HAVE GUESSED SKY PALADIN HAS A HARD-ON FOR LOGIC EXCEPT BARDICHE~), and then you use that fact to assume something else entirely. It's like solving c + d = 10 by arbitrarily deciding 'd = 4', so therefore 'c = 6'.

What happens if LSD flips Town? What if it turns out that 'd = 2'?

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #514 on:** September 10, 2014, 05:05:40 PM »

Affinity

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Sky I'm gonna ignore you until you start listening to other people.

That's just silly! If you are ignoring me, how will you know if I'm listening to other people?

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Not the time to go back to early D1 to scan for stuff.

When is the time to go back to early D1 stuff, chum? Why should we look at an incomplete picture?

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@Sky: I wish you could summarize what you think on Bard/mioridin now, in three short paragraphs or less, and explain why you would pick Bard over miordin (without recourse to your QT conspiracy theory) since those are the two viable lynches for today it seems. Leave the forays into the past till tomorrow, else you'd be nothing but an exasperating distraction. Please. Do as the Romans do and stuff like that.

Bard - scum. Moridin - not scum.
Scum team of Raikaria/Lexi/Bard satisfies all interactions, see my case at the bottom of page 17 that you ignored.

Main point:

In the whole game, Lexicat only ever questioned ActionDan about his vote for Raikaria and nobody else ever. Come on.

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The Romans did as the Romans do and now they're all dead. So I'm just gonna...do my own thing.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #515 on:** September 10, 2014, 05:07:28 PM »

Bard

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So I'm scummy because you think LSD is Scum? That logic strikes me as terrible.

Why are you spending precious time engaging on cases against other players when you're the one about to be lynched?

The world wonders.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #516 on:** September 10, 2014, 05:10:39 PM »

In case it's not clear -

Why is Bard arguing to defend Lex, or really do anything against a case on some other person, when there are plenty of other people that are actually voting him he should be talking to?

Or scumhunting? I don't know. I don't really think this is an appeal to authority, I'm just saying, if you were a town at L-1, what would you do? Argue against a case that most people say is crazy anyway?

I mean you are saying that Lexi is important to you because you are not scum buddies so I don't get why you are doing this. Except for 'somebody on the Internet is WRONG' perhaps.

Bardiche · « **Reply #517 on:** September 10, 2014, 05:11:05 PM »

Basically what I'm saying is, your logic is sound only if you assume that:
a) Bard is the only Mafia player who could have observed SkyPal has a hard-on for logic
b) The only way LSD could know this trait of SkyPal is by being in a QT with Bard
c) Both refuse to confirm or deny they share a QT because they 'know' SkyPal has something in the case that they do
d) Only Scum share a QT in this game
are all true, and there are no (likely) alternatives.

Like, I don't mind being mislynched when people have good reasons, but your logic is not one of them. It's so incredibly frustrating when people use such backwater Cirno-level argumentation to get to a conclusion. It's like you solved a + b = c by deciding c = 10 and then filling in the rest. Even if c ends up being 10, what pride can you have for getting the right answer in the completely wrong method? As a teacher, I should hope you fundamentally praise using the right methods instead of randomly guessing and hoping you get the right answer somehow.

Bardiche · « **Reply #518 on:** September 10, 2014, 05:14:02 PM »

Sky Pal, I am arguing against you because I have talked to all the other people already voting me and their hearts and ways are set. I think Moridin is Scummy, and while I could lie through my teeth about Schezo, I just don't think it's very likely that Schezo would slam Raikaria from the start and bus him harder than you fail at logic.

I am arguing against you because "Lexi = Scum" is your case to vote me. When you vote me because someone else is Scummy, then I must attack your logic and try to make you realise how absurd you're being. How would YOU feel if Town lynched you because Affinity is scummy?

Bardiche · « **Reply #519 on:** September 10, 2014, 05:15:22 PM »

It'd be a different thing entirely if you wanted to lynch LSD, but the fact of the situation is, you're saying you want to vote and lynch me because of your case on LSD. "The King is corrupt, so let's execute the Queen."

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #520 on:** September 10, 2014, 05:18:33 PM »

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FYI If you fine folks want to lynch Lexi instead of Bard, I'm okay with that too.

My vote is on Lexi by the way.

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How would YOU feel if Town lynched you because Affinity is scummy?

Well, for a start, I'd be voting Affinity. If you think Lexi is scummy, why aren't you voting her? Isn't the best way to save yourself a lynch on Lexi showing her as town?

I'm happy to discuss the maths stuff with you but I think people will think I'm trolling you and it's not helpful to have that kind of discussion in the thread.

Bardiche · « **Reply #521 on:** September 10, 2014, 05:29:49 PM »

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on September 10, 2014, 05:18:33 PM

My vote is on Lexi by the way.

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I'm OK with a Bard lynch because I'm certain Lexicat is his buddy. I'm not gonna vote Bard right now because he'll just self hammer.

The only reason you're not voting me for your LSD case is that you worry I'll self-hammer. That's enough reason to argue you intend to lynch me over your LSD case.
You get slammed for this nearly every game you play and yet you persist. I just don't know anymore. Every time you mislynch in LYLO people rush to give you advice and you always ignore it.

Affinity, after you lynch me I flip Town. Where would you vote and why? What other cases have you considered beside mine? One of your points against me was that I "did not consider anyone else", but who do you consider besides me?

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #522 on:** September 10, 2014, 05:42:25 PM »

I'm going to bed. I'll set my alarm for a little before the end if I need to hammer.

TL;DR
Town motivation at a high vote count is to find scum/defend self, Bard's actual behavior is to defend another supposedly unrelated player. Appears to be scum motivation.

Lexi likely scumbuddies with Bard, interactions easily explainable and make sense, see here for not-QT-conspiracy case.

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #523 on:** September 10, 2014, 05:45:09 PM »

Hey baby, How's it going?

Just: (4) Prims, Affinity, Moridin84, Lexicat
Moridin: (3) Schezo, Just, ActionDan
Schezo: (1) Dorian
Lexicat: (1) Sky_Paladin

Not voting: Serela

6 votes needed for majority
You have 6 Hours and fifteen minutes

Affinity · « **Reply #524 on:** September 10, 2014, 05:52:35 PM »

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That's just silly! If you are ignoring me, how will you know if I'm listening to other people?

When people other than yourself acknowledge it and vouch for you of course. Do your stuff the next day and try again.

Man okay it starts now. Am done. Will stay my frustration till post-game.

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Bard, I would vote Schezo for the reasons described here. You could say it's a bit of a passive read, like a rock that's just there, but Schezo is being so intentionally hazy questioning doesn't seem to matter. I've also thought about miordin and thought him town and Sky I guess. Dorian is one I've not thought about and stuff and I'll think about him the next day.

You've shown that you're able to grab bulls by their horns; you've wrestled with Sky and asked some questions. Why only do it now, in a defensive capacity and not earlier against who you think are the scums? If you are town, why are you the matador that comes in late and dies anyway?

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #525 on:** September 10, 2014, 06:06:04 PM »

Addendum to Bard case - he hasn't claimed while at practically L-1 and such little time left. Where is the town motivation to clear your name :C

Affinity · « **Reply #526 on:** September 10, 2014, 06:08:48 PM »

I will be back around 1.5 hours before the deadline.

Bardiche · « **Reply #527 on:** September 10, 2014, 07:11:13 PM »

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on September 10, 2014, 06:06:04 PM

Addendum to Bard case - he hasn't claimed while at practically L-1 and such little time left. Where is the town motivation to clear your name :C

I don't have any, I'm ITP. :V

Dorian White · « **Reply #528 on:** September 10, 2014, 07:34:39 PM »

If that's supposed to be a joke then it's certainly not funny.

Dorian White · « **Reply #529 on:** September 10, 2014, 08:28:52 PM »

I caught up with the game and was about to ask Affinity about the similarities of his bard case and my former Sky case. Cause Bards apathetic presents seems to be enough to rule out every other lynch options for to day, that isn't the newbie. But it seems that the guy decided that rather get himself lynched.

Why am I even trying?

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #530 on:** September 10, 2014, 09:37:24 PM »

No Change in voting.
You have 2 hours 22 minutes and 22 seconds remaining

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #531 on:** September 10, 2014, 10:08:35 PM »

Ok I am good with this now.
##unvote
##vote Just

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #532 on:** September 10, 2014, 10:11:57 PM »

Just is at L-1

Bardiche · « **Reply #533 on:** September 10, 2014, 10:16:56 PM »

##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri

Did you think I was going to self-hammer? Surprise, I'm voting the mod!

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #534 on:** September 10, 2014, 10:18:22 PM »

When I'm night killed, please go back and read my non-conspiracy-qt case on Lexi and decide for yourselves. Bard spent his last few posts trying to defend her instead of saving himself.

But Lexi is plenty scummy in her own right anyway.

Cut
Oh Just, we love ya

Bardiche · « **Reply #535 on:** September 10, 2014, 10:25:03 PM »

That's not how this game works, Sky Paladin. Scum keeps you alive to win LYLO. Like, Sky Paladin, Serela and Scum in LYLO with one legit Townie is like a free victory.

Dorian White · « **Reply #536 on:** September 10, 2014, 10:26:10 PM »

For the record and the sake of my sanity will I assume that he's just trolling. He said too often that he would claim ITP as scum to really think that he could get away with it.

His early HuhWhat case doesn't strikes me as scummy for three reasons. First, I think that HWs suggestion of a policy wagon were really just something that pissed him off. Second, HW isn't actually a easy mislynch and even if scum Bard would be ambitious to go for him would he at least tame it down to make it less controversial. Which leads to my final point, it blow up too much dust which scum always tries to avoid.
So what was the scum intent behind that again? Cause all I see would be suicide.

He is really just trolling.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #537 on:** September 10, 2014, 10:26:32 PM »

(I mean this one)

In the whole game, Lexicat only ever questioned ActionDan about his vote for Raikaria and nobody else ever.

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That's not how this game works, Sky Paladin. Scum keeps you alive to win LYLO.

Yeah, I know T___T

Lexicat · « **Reply #538 on:** September 10, 2014, 10:28:29 PM »

You know, there was a reason outside of voting Rakaria I questioned him about that.

I understand if you can't expand your mind to see past the face of an action, but at least try!

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #539 on:** September 10, 2014, 10:33:38 PM »

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You know, there was a reason outside of voting Rakaria I questioned him about that.

Your actions so far this game suggest otherwise and your refusal to clarify leaves us in the dark about it.

In any case, why would you clarify it to us now, after the fact, when it's alignment indicative?

However if you want to go through and explain your votes and reasoning behind them now, I won't stop you. I'd be very happy if you did that, actually.