Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Superb)

[Sky_Paladin]

(I am currently voting Lexi, not Just)

[Bardiche]

According to that votecount you're voting both of us.

Honestly I don't know what to say, Moridin's vote on me upgrades suddenly from a pressure vote to a blanket "I agree" with everyone else, but Affinity and Huh What are the only slightly credible votes and even in Affinity's case I feel he just sticks to something that's easy to do. Huh What is by far the towniest read I have (hilariously) on my own wagon due to him going around begging for votes on me which strikes me as too much attention on himself for a mislynch as Scum, and I'd like to know his other reads (and a summarised version of tl;dr bard this is why I'm voting you).

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

bard if you want me to switch off you, you can vote schezo, scum/scum wagons are cool

town!schezo isn't going from "well it's D1, D1 is the most meaningless part of the game" to doing less than he did on D1 once it's D2. i actually feel more adamant about him being scum than you being scum but everybody thinks he's town when his interactions with raikaria are actually really bad?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

i dunno why you want me to resummarize why i find you scummy again, just read what i posted to LLD last night

otherwise I think Schezo is lazy scum and that he and Raikaria had weak cases on each other that they switched off of way too easily, including when pressure on Raikaria was mounting in Schezo's case, which is unrealistic for town who wants to lynch their scumreads. Reads like typical scum distancing.

My brain shuts down every time I try to ISO Moridin, which means he probably needs to be lynched eventually.

[Bardiche]

bard if you want me to switch off you, you can vote schezo, scum/scum wagons are cool

Cute.

in Affinity's case I feel he just sticks to something that's easy to do.

I guess I should've written "Huh What" there and be dead on?

Anyway you wrote you'd have to sell her on Bard "tomorrow". Me not voting Dan immediately is just stupid because even if I hate low-content players I'd always rather lynch the scums. "Effort is suddenly minimal" with "scum demotivated due to lost scumbuddy" more like Day 2 started on Monday when I have uni.

[Schezo]

Dorian are you a lyncher by any chance?
Cause me voteparking my "scumbuddy" would be insane.  Hmm let me just bus without bussing so you can all lynch my later for not bussing correctly. 
Or
I'm town who voted scum.

The reason I don't like Moridin is because he just pokes around the game instead of getting into it.  He makes a bunch of arbitrary lists that mean little to nothing when he doesn't follow them and changes them on a whim.
he's a "second pick" or "considering it" thing for everyone so just vote him off already.

town!schezo can do whatever the fuck he wants when people aren't going to scumread my tone.  I may have "hilariously bad interactions" but when they read me and say well at least he isn't scum then there's not a lot to do about lynching me.

what else.  not interested in sky lld. 
Everyone's biggest beef is my lack of motivation to play today.  I guess I'm playing again now so eh.

[Serela]

I'm eating an entire bag of candycorn as I read this game

halfway through I started wishing it was popcorn instead but yet I don't stop

And like the rule is you don't poke lld unless you're ready to throw down and like.. no.

I'm starting to remember exactly why HW's anonymafia identification list had "Is it UncertainKitten?" -> Yes -> "It's LadyLambdadelta."

Anyway I'm still only on like page 7 but I'm workin' on it!

[Affinity]

nah bard is still bad.  too little too late, to use a well-known cliche.  voting miordin all of a sudden for 'not having reasons to vote the entire game' is quite uninspiring.   It is also really really easy, which is what he's accusing huhwhat/me over?  Sigh, doesn't feel well-thought out. 

[Serela]

wtf Prims there's no way you're sleeping for 16 hours.

Prims nightkilled BT for questioning the most righteous sleep schedule

ahahahahaa okay holy shit I have just come across either a SLAM DUNK of Raikaria only pretending to pay attention or the biggest Serela moment I've seen in my life.

rofllll the most amazing thing about this post is not even the post itself (I think the point is null, even if hilarious), it's that everyone starts jumping on Raikaria after this, after seeing that Raikaria turned out to be counterwagon to scum I imagine someone who jumped on around this time period is probably scum (although that's entirely speculative, so, we'll see)

Prefered lunch is Raikaia ATM.

vore confirmed

Wow I think I'd consider voting my own slot if I didn't know it was me?

I dunno, I'm not really feeling a Moridin lynch. This is based on having only read most of d1 so far. At this point in the reread (entirely aware that reads not accounting for the latter half of the game is garbage) I'd probably vote Schezo or Affinity (maaaybe bard, like a distant third), albeit lacking solid reasons since I'm still working on initial information ingestion. We'll see how this changes as I go further in.

I bet there will be an association between me flipping MAFIA and a proof of the Riemann Hypothesis at this point.

Any takers yet?

Nah dood we lynch him tomorrow. Lynch Raikaria 2day

There's plenty of these, technically they aren't that bad since town can really want raikaria lynched too (bt is shining example) but I already kinda wanted to lynch him so

I dunno his demeanor.  posting style.  MAYBE ITS JUST HIS MUSCULAR CATBOI AVI.  MAYBE I AM WEAK TO ITS CHARMS.

Schezo confirmed for mind control beams except Dan flipped scum

schezo/bard/cf7

gdi hw why do I always want to sheep you I swear I had these opinions before I got here just add affinity ahead of bard/cf7

yeah hw is town but then again I pretty much always read hw as town, even when he's scum, all the time ;_; But no I think he's town

okay I finished d1, oof it's nearly midnight and I have work tomorrow

[Serela]

motherfucker I'm retarded I thought I cleared remembered DAN flipped scum in the 1v1 not RAIKARIA

gdi

my reads

they're broken now

[Serela]

how

how did I

why

I'm just going to give up here and go to sleep, see you in the morning

or the biggest Serela moment I've seen in my life.

[Serela]

I -didn't even notice when reading the lynch over again- until I realized Dan was still posting d2 and I just went "wait... what?"

...yes, I'm getting in bed before dealing with this over again, I went through all of d1 keeping in mind Raikaria was the scum counterwagon and Dan was scum, and my read list is fucked due to it being the other way around

[Sky_Paladin]

Guys day is not done yet. Even assuming Bard is scum, there is probably a third one out there. Who is it?

Prims what do you think of Lexi? 
Bard, if you are town, who do you think is scum and why?  Even if you think I'm insane will you really ignore two pages of petulance "just because?"

Schezo, are you going to counterclaim Moridon or not?

Assum Bard flips green. What then?  Assume Bard flips red. Who is scum number 3 and why?

Moridin the reason people are scum reading is iirc you are only defending yourself. You need to engage other players and convince us why they are scum. Also why do you dismiss my case on Lexi as crazy. There are very real reasons to think Lexi had help, such as there not being wall quotes from me in this game.

Like I am sick of everybody going "yes player x is town." Town reading players doesn't really help us ge ahead and just encourages scum to hit the popular town people.

Lexi, what is your plan? You went from voting me to saying I'm town for mystery reasons. On day 1 you said you had something to catch up with me but never clarified it.

I'm home in a few hours then I'm gonna take names and bust skulls. You lot are far too complacent. Yes there is a scum dead. Yes there are a bunch of people who seem towny.

But you know what, scum can bus and they can superbus the hell out of each other. We don't really know even if Prims is town because of that possibility.  Players are not engaging each other and the clock is winding down.

I'm gonna go through this game and start fights with all of you. I'm sick of this apathy. I signed up to play and have fun, but I'm just being ignored and laughed at. Why the hell would I try so hard to get my Megatokyo pals to come here if this is the quality of game you show?  It's disgusting. I'm shamed and embarassed by the group lethargy.

We lunched a scum great job but THE GAME IS NOT OVER. Pull your heads out and start reading, asking questions, answer other players, and following things up.

[Schezo]

L- l- l- ewd baka!

[Schezo]

Wait what.  Actually, sky do me this big huge favor and sheep my Moridin votes and sheep it's case and I'll do something cool.

[Serela]

Also why do you dismiss my case on Lexi as crazy.

Any case consisting of "I think their scumbuddies told them to say this" is almost certainly an awful case, I'm sorry. It happened a game or two ago with someone too, and everyone's response was pretty much the same, don't remember if you made that case or who. (still awake because I have to put in my contacts before I go to sleep, the right one feels weird tonight... w/e)

Even if I tried to take it seriously, the thought that someone would ask their scumbuddies for info like that on you and then come in thread saying "Oh hey are you a programmer who loves analytical info?" after being told it, just sounds like an absolutely terrible idea on their end, and is frankly not very believable. The former would be understandable (albiet unlikely) but then applying that info in such a manner in the latter is dubious and pointless.

anyway I can't properly comment on the game since even my d1 read turned out to be completely screwed, so /sleep

[Schezo]

Serela could do that for me too.
Since like. He's gonna check the thread again

[Lexicat]

Schezo, I'm being sold on a Bard lynch today. Sell me in like 30 words or less on a Moridin lynch (hint: it won't take much.)

[Lexicat]

Also, I respect that you're trying really hard to get me to interact with you SP, but I have no desire to. Putting myself into the bullets for bullets logic arguments only creates large unreadable walls of "content" that people won't want to read. Things get lost in the middle and that's how you create apathy. Hint: Creating Apathy is a scum goal.

If I can create pressure using my votes and words and force people to take a serious look at me and evaluate my alignment based on my actions and votes as opposed to walls of words, I'm doing my job well. It means I can get decent reads off their reactions to both me and the people I pressure. I'm very invested in keeping my cards held to my chest.

The downside is if I play really terribly, it's pretty much impossible to convince the town of anything.  And it happens.

So no, I still have no desire to answer your questions beyond me saying "if you want the answer to the 'what I saw on day 1' question, re-read my posts. I already answered it."

I would say I'm sorry, but I'm not going to apologize for my playstyle so long as I find it effective both in theory and in practice.

[Lexicat]

What I mean by I'm invested in keeping my cards to my chest is that if people know exactly where you're coming from, you're much easier to play around. It's a lot easier to react how in a manner that will make you look town.

And the fact is that both factions want to appear town, because it benefits both their win conditions, so in every way, being predictable and easy to play into is bad for me.

And that's the last I'll say on anything meta regarding my playstyle, at least until endgame. For now, I wanna hear Schezo on Moridin.

[Moridin]

For starters, why'd you vote me?

I gave my reasons before right? I don't want to bother going over then again, since I assume that you simply think these reasons are stupid. It doesn't really matter anymore right?

The reason I don't like Moridin is because he just pokes around the game instead of getting into it.  He makes a bunch of arbitrary lists that mean little to nothing when he doesn't follow them and changes them on a whim.
he's a "second pick" or "considering it" thing for everyone so just vote him off already.

Perhaps you haven't realized this but I don't know what I'm doing.

I'm trying to figure out various things. Figuring out the best way to read people, the best way to present my opinions,  what opinions to bring up and what not, etc, etc. This is also why the way I'm posting now is different to how I was posting in the last game.

Moridin the reason people are scum reading is iirc you are only defending yourself. You need to engage other players and convince us why they are scum. Also why do you dismiss my case on Lexi as crazy. There are very real reasons to think Lexi had help, such as there not being wall quotes from me in this game.

I only started doing that because I got annoyed about everyone making vague comments about me.

That's all I'm talking about now because, for some reason, whenever I think about making a post analysing whom I think the MAFIA are, I feel tired and unmotivated. For example, I was planning to read over all the Dorion stuff before switching to Just. Then when I actually switched to Just, I planned to make a big post talking about it.

I think my brain has decided on Just and then shutdown on the whole issue. Maybe it will start up again before the phase ends? Of perhaps when day 3 starts. We'll have two flips to work with then.

I'm gonna go through this game and start fights with all of you. I'm sick of this apathy. I signed up to play and have fun, but I'm just being ignored and laughed at.

Sorry sorry.  I'm a bit surprised that you'd be bothered about being made fun of or ignored though. You've been playing here a while and this place has a pretty negative atmosphere, at least the MAFIA games, so I thought you'd be used to it.

Your comment about Lexicat and Just sharing the same a quick topic because he made a dismissive comment about your personality which happened to be correct is a bit far fetched. You also made a bit of a drama about it, by talking about it beforehand as if it was some dramatic reveal. I had assumed it was going to be an actual role reveal on your part.

[Lexicat]

Moridin, my preferred pronoun is She. Danke.

[Sky_Paladin]

Cut;
Lexicat, I do appreciate what you said and it mollifies me somewhat.  I will *get around* to a response to you, hopefully before night phase, however I feel it's not a priority right now because I need to make a decision about Moridin/Just today. 

TL;DR

This was a humbling exercise whereby I ISO'd Dorian, found he was scummy up until the part where I went to bed, and then found that everything he did after that was plausible.  So I'll write it off as a rough start and when I finally had time to read the big chunk of game that I'd missed...sigh. 

Anyway I wrote all this stuff up so I'll post it here.  I'm not going to follow the order I listed below, I'm going to do Bard/Moridin because tbh I should have done this first and not wasted time rehashing old territory but I was an arrogant prick and thought I was right so of course I was happy to redo it. 

I'm moving Dorian from 'almost certainly scum' to 'possibly scum' along with Prims, Affinity, and Schezo, which is not reflected in the below list.  There's no reason to read it except that I went to all that effort and maybe it'll be useful later. 

***

It seems my previous scum tier listing was misleading so here we go. 

Confirmed Town:
BT

Possibly Scum:
Affinity
Huwhat
Schezo

Probably Scum
Serela
Moridin84
ActionDan

Almost certainly scum
Lexicat
Just
Dorian

***

What's the objective of this:  Get town talking, find motivation on players votes, watch for inconsistencies and liars.  I'll do these in order of player signups as I have time to do it. 

I'm full of righteous fury, let's go. 

I'm just going to go down the player list in order, so first up is Dorian. 

Wait a moment, was the Dan wagon a serious suggestion?

Prims and I both interrogated Dorian rather heavily about what Dorian was up to re: fencesitting on Dan. 
Raikaria will later say 'fencesitting is not scummy' and we know how that went down. 

Mhmm, I'm still against any kind of policy by default, even if this case is tempting, so I'll take my time see what the guy is doing before I reconsider the idea.

You say that you are 'still against', which means you said that you were against a policy lynch some time previously.  I can't see it - can you point it out?  Otherwise, why did you say this? 

Defends a vote on Dan
"a vote on Dan for being Dan is as useless as a vote for Schezo for having a muscle-shirt-catboy-abomination-avatar, cause the reason is not alignment implicative."

Dan is chronically afk and an excellent player to lynch or vig regardless of any situation because we have to deal with 'is he scum or not' at some point and scum will never kill him.  You defended Dan three times and refused to hammer him later in the day.  Why are you so protective of Dan? 

You are also voting for Schezo at this point (it is RVS).  Why did you criticise your own vote as useless?  The implication is that you knew you were voting against a town player aka you are scum. 

Well, it could be scum trying to establish a votepark wagon or town putting pressure on Dan for the reason you gave, I could see it go both ways right now.
Now my turn, if  policy votes are so serious that you can discuss them, then am I scum for disagreeing with you or not?

'it could be scum trying to establish a votepark wagon' - why do you say this? 
'town putting pressure on Dan for the reason you gave' - which do you think is more likely? 
'if  policy votes are so serious that you can discuss them, then am I scum for disagreeing with you or not?'
Why would you be scum for simply disagreeing?  Or are you disagreeing because you are scum. 

Response to Prims re: wishy washy
I'm sorry if I disappoint you but if you think that I can draw a clear conclusion out of your whimsical gambit right now, then you talk with the wrong one.^^;
- It's interesting that you said '...the wrong one' instead of '...the wrong person'.  Is there somebody better you think Prims should have been talking to?  Who?  Why? 
- It's clear that Prims was straight out asking you how you felt about a policy lynch and you supposedly are against it.  Why were you unwilling to clearly underscore your desire to avoid a policy lynch, and instead just wilted away (and then vanished)?  If you feel strongly enough to post three times about it I'm surprised you can't say it clearly at any point. 

Phone post, on my way to work.

##Vote: BT

Tell me, what exactly is it that you find scummy about CF7? Cause I really don't see it.

Why did you single out BT's vote on CF7 and not any of the other votes?  In particular, Raikaria's OMGUS against Schezo? 
It's relevant because:  Raikaria kept saying CF7 and Sky interactions were noteworthy for some reason, and Raikaria loved to defend-a-Dorian.  The implication is that you voted for BT because he criticised your scum buddy, CF7.  So I want to know what your reason for this vote was. 

In this post you say:
'@BT: The Dan wagon, as HuhWhat suggested it, was nothing more then prod vote thing and there is a point where just more votes/pressure wouldn't lead to more or better content, that's why I called it useless. But we all know Dan and how he loves to give us nothing, so I was wondering how to keep the pressure without tie my vote on him.
In English, a vote today wouldn't get us much but a vote tomorrow, that could go on forever.'

At the start of the phase, in response to Prims on ActionDan policy, you couldn't give a clear reason.  Now you have a clearer reason.  Why couldn't you say it from the start?  It appears to me that you made up the reason after the fact. 

In this same post:
"I can't help it but you agreed with HuhWhat a bit too eagerly for my liking and your Raikaria vote isn't impressive either. So what's your reason to exchange your prod vote  on Dan for one one Raikaria?"

We know Raikaria flips scum.  At this point you are voting alongside with Raikaria on Schezo and still defending Dan.  Can you explain your mindset at this stage? 

So, after I read Bards wall am I not sure why his actually a wagon. Good, he might be kinda stubborn there, a certain Luther quote comes to mind,  but if that's scummy then I need someone who explains that to me (in preferably simple terms).

'Not sure why' means that you don't understand or don't agree with the case.  Please explain what parts of Prims' case don't make sense to you. 

However, despite all the Dan defending, when Dan townreads Schezo...
Dorian says:
"Is that so? Is that really all you can say to prove me wrong? Throw me at least a bone if you want me to pick up the fight for you."

And things improve rapidly from here.  I can't pick anything bad until day 2 - Dorian unvotes me and goes back to Schezo once I've changed my ire to Lexicat. 

Siiiiiiiiiiiigh. 

[Sky_Paladin]

TL;DR
Righteous fury slowly fading into desire to reach through monitor and snap some necks ughghgh

I think Prims is super town.  I agree with his case on Bard. 

Bard has been posting strangely and his vote on Prims at the start of the day was really strange and out of place; if Bard was really scum reading Prims I would have expected him to make some analysis on Prims position in the wagon, actions the previous day etc. 

Prims talked to a lot of people, not just Bard, Schezo, Moridin, BT, even Lexi.  Bard, meanwhile, didn't really engage any players at all.  Which is odd because in That Game, he engaged players as the last surviving scum, but here he is more reserved. 

There is some stuff I'll follow up with Prims re: Lexi next.  I wanna sheep Prims on Bard now because of the situation, and not just because I still have a bet in the Lexi/Rai/Bard table.  I may vote Bard before going to sleep, gotta check Moridin now. 

Reconsidering my town read on Schezo.  I've reread the game a couple of times now and I'm less convinced by his hop off Raikaria and back on at the critical stage. 

***

That this started as an ISO/analysis of Bard but got warped into Prims because !content! is rather telling. 

Prims starts the game suggesting a policy lynch of Dan, and argues with Dorian about it. 

Dorian why is serious voting on policy so bad you'd rather jokevote, which is comparatively useless? What better option is there to voting Dan? Are Schezo and I questionable for pushing the policy?

  This is a very sensible tone to take. 

Lexi votes Prims because no reason. 

Prims
Dorian, disagreeing with me isn't scummy but your posts have been very wishy-washy, like "why did you post this" wishy-washy. Was hoping your answers would be more transparent; as is though I'm leaning town with weak footing. Basically, work with me here.

Disagreeing is not scummy, being wishy-washy is scummy.  Isn't it more deserving of a vote than Dan? 

The first thing that stands out is that Bard is spending a lot of posts this game talking in a strange chopped up fashion, as if he had some kind of "can't say 'the'" post restriction.  Eg post 1

"Policy lynch or threat on Dan seems like legit reasoning for Scum to mislynch. Vote on Affinity masks empty unvote, why abandon policy proposal already? Suspect LLD may be on to something, Prims is fishy for putting down serious vote asap, regurgitating a lot of words in RVS (trying for brownie points?) and I disagree with his rhetoric on AD seeming Town-minded. Lynch Scum, not slackers (unless slackers are scummy)."

except that in the next line there's a the.  So it's just odd.  Why are you doing this, Bard? 

That said I generally agree with Bard's criticism of Prims at this stage. 

Prims OMGUS on affinity.  Partially circumvented by querying affinity, "@Affinity: if you're moving your vote off me, can you at least explain why "cyberbullying" alone was enough to make me scum to you in the first place". 

Is what Affinity did (voting Prims for cyberbullying in RVS) really more deserving of a vote than Dorian?  Affinity then revotes Prims for basically this same reason. 

Prims vote for Bard, case is largely meta so hard to analyse :/

actually wtf bard don't seriously try to push "Prims is suspect for putting down a serious vote ASAP" when your "thing" used to be trying to end RVS immediately. This is easily the most constructed thing I've seen this game, it's already bad for the point to not be alignment-indicative but here you should actively know it isn't.

Prims drops Bard and goes for ActionDan because Dan won't explain his serious? vote on Raikaria. 
Relevant because Raikaria flips scum.  No follow up on Dorian. 

End day 1.  Bard votes Prims because why.  Enter Lexi. 

I kind of feel that Bard should have gone for Lexi for being awful but didn't do it, especially in a couple of places, e.g "I am fine with a Moridin lynch" and then "No wait Sky or Bard" and then "I totally meant...some other thing."  OK time to stop.  I can't read anymore. 

[Serela]

I'm going to get back from work an hour before deadline? But... okay, I guess I don't have a choice but to take another whack at reading this game. :T I'm just going to skip d1 and move to d2 due to A.Time Constraints and B.At least I actually read d1 even though I interpreted it all wrong...

For starters, based purely off of what I remember from last night and the end-of-d1 votecount I should probably look more at... oh, uh, that would be Bard, who's being lynched... and some of my townreads that weren't related to who flipped what... oh. Maybe I should bump Moridin off being a soft townread because he's new and unpredictable.

Wow the current situation with lynching suddenly makes perfect sense with just a cursory glance at the end-votecount and a vague recollection of d1 >.> OW I just bit my cheek breakfast why do you hurt me so

After reading Moridin's stuff on Prims overnight I peeked back at end-d1 prims and I'm not sure if I should take it as Prims!scum trying hard to find a way to justify voting Dan over Raikaria despite not being able to, or just legit town flail like I initially interpreted it is

though it'd be weird if all scum were on dan

Prims says this in the last bunch of posts before d1 end, it feels kind of weird like he already knows that Dan is a scum counterwagon? I'm having a hard time legitimately thinking this is bad because I also want to have a town read on Prims and this is kind of a flimsy reason (the kind of thing I tend to have to yell at sky or raikaria for using as their entire case iirc) but I'unno it just feels weird, and I feel like I should take that more seriously because Prims is the person I ALWAYS TOWN READ ALL THE TIME FOREVER

It helps though when I read Prims' case on Bard and agree with it >.> I also agree that the points against sky are good like Prims says in that post (I don't mean I'm sheeping prims as much as remembering to give an opinion on skypal) but at the same time he seems to be obv derp!town which takes precedence in my read, so

actually yeah I forgot Dorian could've just vanished and locked us into Dan lynch without taking responsibility for it so he gets a pass.

I never actually said it but this is pretty much why I never mentioned Dorian, the lynch page was the one part of the game I'd already read before replacing in and I came to think conclusion as well. Oof, I guess SkyPal's comments on the situation after are half-decent though? Probably an unreliable reason to clear Dorian.

Plus he sort of claimed, that he can shoot people here.
So... He might be a vig, he might be lying or he actually might be scum.

Did I really replace in for the slot that suggested "Since LLD implied being able to shoot people, she might be scum" ;_;

Bard's defense to the case on him would be okay except for him just kinda going "eh" and sitting on HW after.

I'm starting to go "...where in the world is LLD?" Am I just forgetting the posts she made or has she barely done anything? I say this and then an empty post to vote skypal appears. Okay no now she's making a lot of posts, although her playstyle is... different. Namely that refusing to explain your votes does little to encourage anyone to join the wagon, OR to think you're actually town with legitimate reasons and thought processes... (and you can't just start giving those -after- you're pressured way later in the game, justifying your actions after-the-fact gives little reason to believe that's actually what happened)

Please note Just and Lex's reaction to "you are in a qt together" was not any form of "it's not true" and in fact neither of them responded either way.

No it's because the accusation was tin-foil hat tier mind boggling (albiet I already explained this to you in more detail), I'm sorry SkyPaladin but no one can take that seriously. :C

Okay I caught up to the current point in the game. People that I feel like I need to read more because they might be scum but I'm not sure yet:Schezo, Affinity, Moridin, Bard, and the first two are really uncertain due to Raikaria wagon placement. And LLD is strongest null read possible and could be easily be cruising scum tier? Time before must-start-getting-ready-for-work:1 hour, during which I still need to eat more and take a shower and other stuff, so, welp.

Yeah, sorry people, I just don't have the time to fully catch up on the situation here :/

I should be back an hour before deadline, so my vote -will- be available when needed, but I don't have any solid enough reads to feel okay with trying to push a new wagon nor contributing to the already-large Bard wagon.

Although, when I just mental-skim over what I remember, I'm probably in agreement with the Bard-lynch.

[ActionDan]

mmmm.  Ok maybe Serela is town after all.

Very much think Prims/Affinity isn't scum

I'd be willing to bet Schezo/Dorian aren't scum.

Don't think LLD is scum.

I don't read Sky walls.  but apparently people think he's town.

That just leaves Bard/Moridin.   

##Vote Moridin

[Sky_Paladin]

I'm like 90% sure Moridin is the scum mislynch as started by Lexicat, who hopped off and started distancing from Bard once his wagon appeared, and now Bard is voting there.  Reasons/case/etc incoming. 

[Bardiche]

But Sky, you're wrong.

[Affinity]

I'm still shaking my head. Serela has explained why Sky's idea on Bard/Just quicktopic isn't cool, and I think the latter has lost all credibility. Not the time to go back to early D1 to scan for stuff. 

Well, just to reiterate I'm not for the mioridin over the Bard wagon.  I think he's trying his best, and that the votes against him are emptier than what his playerslot warrants, for reasons I cite here.   Would even prefer going for Schezo over him  It's also late but I now think of Sky as insane town, I guess.  Bard's still urgh.

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@Sky:  I wish you could summarize what you think on Bard/mioridin now, in three short paragraphs or less, and explain why you would pick Bard over miordin (without recourse to your QT conspiracy theory) since those are the two viable lynches for today it seems.  Leave the forays into the past till tomorrow, else you'd be nothing but an exasperating distraction.  Please.  Do as the Romans do and stuff like that.

[Sky_Paladin]

Let's talk about Lexi. 

People are town clearing her because of her placement on the Raikaria wagon, but somebody (Prims?) also said she was a selfish player, so it's quite possible she threw her buddy under a bus, and Raikaria went after her in an attempt to counterbus.  But if I really want this to make sense, then the interactions between Raikaria/Bard/Lexi should make sense. 

So let's go through and see. 

This player has not posted anything since Day 1 begun. Why do you say this?

This is the only time in the entire game that Lexi has asked anybody why they are voting for somebody, and it happens to be on a confirmed scum. 

Yeah I've seen nothing to convince me that I should be voting anyone but Prims right now.

On the other hand, I did see something I want to follow up on, but I wanna see how it evolves first.

At this stage, Prims was voting Bard.  The implication is that she is countervoting Prims for voting her scumbuddy. 

Lexicat doesn't post again until the Raikaria wagon is at L-3, and she doesn't explain why she suddenly stopped scumreading Prims and now scumreads Raikari.  This is the perfect time for scum to get on their buddies wagon, and it's also at this stage that Raikaria suddenly comes out swinging against Lexicat.  This is, as Lexi aptly pointed out recently, distancing.  Players are townclearing Lexi because of her spot on the wagon but I don't get it.  The people who should be towncleared are the ones at the front, the ones who made the case, or at the very least, the ones who made some kind of indication they were going to vote there before hand.  The ones we should suspect of bussing their scumbuddies are the ones near the end of the lynch, the scums that decided they had to betray their partner to buy town cred, or at the very least, to avoid being on the same wagon as their other scumbuddy - Bard. 

This explains why Bard was willing to vote for ActionDan and 'forgot about' Lexicat. 

She then begs and pushes players to vote for Raikaria, giving him up for dead. 

If you hammer Dan, I'm putting a bullet between your eyes tonight. How about that for an incentive?

Now on day 2, let's have a look at what Lexicat did. 

She started off the day by quoting a chunk of Moridin's stuff and voted for him, again without reason. 

However, when I questioned her about why she was voting Moridin, she broadened her choices. 

I'm down to lynch Moridin or Sky Palladin today. Not interested in a cf7 or Bard lynch.

It's clear I'm in this list because I started asking her questions.  Why is she not interested in a CF7 or Bard lynch?  It's a mystery.  Lexi made no mention of CF7 before now, and CF7 mysteriously disappears in her next read.  Well, we already know why she isn't interested in a Bard lynch, because they are scumbuddies OH WAIT...

I changed my mind, I'm happy to lynch Bard or Sky today.

I believe CF7 was added because scumbuddy Raikaria kept trying to make something out of a CF7/Sky kerfuffle on day 1 that was non-existent.  Also, now she wants a Bard lynch, again without reasons or precedent.  We already strongly suspect the explanation is: She is distancing from her scumbuddy in the same way that she distanced from Raikaria before voting him to L-2.  Which neatly brings us to...

Hey Sky, if I'm scum, tell me why I would bus Rakaria (at 5 votes) over hammering Dan at 6 votes at the deadline or just not posting at all?

I'm now in a better position to answer this question.  The reason you would bus Raikaria at 5 votes is because scum knew they couldn't pile all their votes on the mislynch of ActionDan.  That explains why Bard voted for Dan and you voted for Raikaria at this late stage of the phase.  You left your vote til reasonably late because there was still a good chance that Dan would get mislynched, and your scum buddy would be saved.  You have also been described as a selfish player by Prims, and your conduct in this game supports this, so I would also presume there was a good part of you that thought this would be a good chance to get a free pass to LYLO at the expense of Raikaria.  After all, town will never lynch you while ActionDan is around, right? 

The distancing of Lexicat from Bard now escalates. 

You are flailing really really hard right now.

People who are interested in lynching Bard. I will lynch Bard tomorrow if we lynch Paladin today.

And then this thing. 

Would you perchance happen to be a programmer with a hard on for overly analytical thinking and large useless quote walls?

I mean, what is the point of this post except to discourage conversation and analysis?  How are we supposed to interpret this as anything other than 'stop asking me questions'.  I can't see the benefit of a town player saying this kind of statement. 

A little later on, Lexicat continues. 

On the other hand I still have no reason to explain what I'm thinking.

Prims, you're gonna have to sell me on Bard today.

Uh huh...

the reactions weren't about Sky, prims. they were about someone else.

I can actually buy that Bard case, let me reread some shit.

No this is bullshit.  You decided at the start of the day to vote Moridin for no reason.  Then you decided to vote me because I questioned your vote.  Then you decided that you definitely didn't want to lynch Bard or (inexplicably) CF7 but Sky or Moridin was okay.  Then, somewhere in the midst of our conversation, you decided that Sky was the best bet (as evidenced by your 'lynch Sky today and I'll vote Bard tomorrow'), and then a few minutes later...

Anyway, you're town. Annoyingly bad, but town.

Vote: Just

I figure this is what I need to do today, but I'm a little nervous about Moridin/Affinity.

OK no, no.  This is scum getting on the wagon to hammer their buddy. 

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I'm OK with a Bard lynch because I'm certain Lexicat is his buddy.  I'm not gonna vote Bard right now because he'll just self hammer. 

And all you people who think I'm insane because of my 'well they share a quicktopic' dealio, please review this post and have a second think. 

Do I really need to?  I guess so. 

In the whole game, Lexicat only ever questioned ActionDan about his vote for Raikaria and nobody else ever.  Come on.