Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Superb)

[Lexicat]

I have no desire or need to explain my votes to you.

In addition, the situation you described is called "distancing" and is a common scum tactic.

[Lexicat]

Do you have any more weak posts you want me to consider or can I go back to just lynching you?

Also, it's Alexis or Lexi or LLD. Not Lex. Thanks.

[Lexicat]

or LSD. You can call me LSD if you want.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

##unvote
##vote Affinity

what

[Sky_Paladin]

I have no desire or need to explain my votes to you.

How about the rest of the players? 

In addition, the situation you described is called "distancing" and is a common scum tactic.

Interestingly, Raikaria was 'distancing' himself from you once a wagon started appearing on him.  Until that point I don't think he mentioned it. 

I'll go back and check to be sure but for now...

##unvote
##vote Lexi

Partly attitude/hostility to town.  Case/quotes/etc coming later.  I thought what Affinity did was weird and bad so I voted him while I went back to check but this happened instead. 

[Lexicat]

You are flailing really really hard right now.

People who are interested in lynching Bard. I will lynch Bard tomorrow if we lynch Paladin today.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

SP why did you switch to Affinity after having him in guaranteed town over interactions earlier?

[Lexicat]

I can answer that for you. He's scum fabricating his reads.

oh and prims if you want an explanation of my vote on you I can tell you in endgame if you'd like.

[Sky_Paladin]

I thought what Affinity did was weird and bad so I voted him while I went back to check but this happened instead. 

Affinity was in Basically confirmed town tier which is not the same as 'confirmed town tier'.  I'm willing to flip my list on it's head if new information comes to light that challenges what I believe.  I couldn't believe what Affinity said came from town. 

Lexi

You are flailing really really hard right now.

...I'm asking you to explain your votes and countervoting you for failing to do so.  If you can't explain why your voting somebody, then why are you voting them. 

People who are interested in lynching Bard. I will lynch Bard tomorrow if we lynch Paladin today.

What.  The.  Hell. 

Prims, what do you make of this, seeing as your around?

[Sky_Paladin]

OK so now I'm not sure if I'm voting Lexi because scum or if I'm voting her because she's a bad player. 

*scratches his head*  I've never played with Lexi before.  Can anybody vouch for her meta that she is normally an anti-social troll, or is this actually legitimate scummy behaviour?

[Lexicat]

Would you perchance happen to be a programmer with a hard on for overly analytical thinking and large useless quote walls?

[Lexicat]

Also once again what is with people assuming I'm an idiot who votes for no reason. Everything I do has a reason behind it, I just don't feel any real obligation or reason to explain why I do what I do all the time.

[Sky_Paladin]

Just so people think I'm not full of poop, here's some of those 'distancing' posts I'm saying Raikaria put up. 

Raikaria at L-2

First post, Raikaria on Sky and Lexicat.  Main point:
"Sky's has misguided town intent because he is at least attempting to form cases and look for scum. It's not great and I don't like his Dorian case one bit but he could he a townie just making bad cases. Sky does this quite a lot. He also tends to over-react to votes. Lexicat is basically doing nothing at all. He even outright says 'I don't have anything.'"

"I probobly will not be swapping back to Schezo unless he does something really bad or both Sky and Lexicat impress me, while no-one else slips up. "

***No real difference between Sky/Lex at this stage from Raik-o-pinion***

Post 2 - Raikaria completely abandons Sky and wishes for a Lex death. 

When a lynch of Raikaria seemed very likely, we got this where Raikaria pours it all out.  There's nothing left for me :C

Anyway, so this is mostly to highlight that Lexi's distancing point (which is her only stated point at this stage) applies to both of us, and more strongly to her.  So, at worst, it's nothing, and at best, it's a scumtell for Lexi. 

Lexi, this is the thing I referred to earlier that you said -
Also, the thing I wanted to follow up on involves Sky Paladin, so I'm gonna hold on to it for the moment, since it's not relevant to this lynch.

Care to follow it up now?

Cut -

Would you perchance happen to be a programmer with a hard on for overly analytical thinking and large useless quote walls?

My signature has a link to my programming blog so the first point isn't hard to deduce.  The rest is a matter of opinion. 

Anyway I didn't expect my handwave 'curse those damned afks' to get this kind of explosion so I haven't actually looked at Lexi's posts yet, I'll do it later. 

***

Also once again what is with people assuming I'm an idiot who votes for no reason. Everything I do has a reason behind it, I just don't feel any real obligation or reason to explain why I do what I do all the time.

I don't think you are an idiot.  We players are not psychic and how can we agree/disagree with you if you don't tell us what you think? 

[Sky_Paladin]

Everything I do has a reason behind it, I just don't feel any real obligation or reason to explain why I do what I do all the time.

It is reasonable to ask for an explanation for people's votes because the absolute number one way to catch scum is when they make votes for a bad or falsified reason.  If you won't explain your vote, we have no way of knowing what your real motive is. 

[Lexicat]

Mmmm, no I still don't care.

[Lexicat]

And it would be really nice if you would stop calling me Lex. Thanks.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Prims, what do you make of this, seeing as your around?

OK so now I'm not sure if I'm voting Lexi because scum or if I'm voting her because she's a bad player. 

*scratches his head*  I've never played with Lexi before.  Can anybody vouch for her meta that she is normally an anti-social troll, or is this actually legitimate scummy behaviour?

if it helps i won a scum game once because she got shadoweh mislynched on a fake cop claim.

even regardless of her meta though she's just not scum due to raikaria interactions. what i make of the quote is that lld is town trying to get her scumread lynched. go by my explanation for town!lld if you don't buy hers.

UNFORTUNATELY i also think you're really god damn obvious town based on a number of things - motivation level today in general despite having several valid IRL reasons to not give a single shit during :deadtown:, LLD vote is pretty blatantly a Town Frustration vote and not like Raikaria's because that backfired for scum last time and nobody wants her lynched right now so as scum you'd be picking unnecessary fights, also "I can't believe X would do this as town" is, in this context, the rhetoric of town who feels slighted and has certain assumptions about how townies behave as a whole - so yeah, not taking her up on that

Would you perchance happen to be a programmer with a hard on for overly analytical thinking and large useless quote walls?

if it helps i ... well i don't know what he does for a living but yeah that is pretty much his playstyle and my understanding is that his scum play is a lot more safe.

sky's "fabricated" reads are because he is town but is doubting himself and waffling, something that makes sense given game state. it isn't hard to remember your fake opinions as scum and, at sky's level of experience, when you do you're self-conscious about them and need to justify every change of opinion
this especially stands if you're going to argue he has a hard-on for analytic thinking. people like that keep track of this shit

sky go read the bard cases, you've been putting it off forever. lld just isn't scum. affinity probably isn't scum either, his vote was at a crucial point on raikaria's lynch, him using weird rhetoric doesn't magically undo this

tl;dr please don't fight

[Sky_Paladin]

Hmm. 

Lexi, you are in a quicktopic with Bard, yes?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

if it helps i won a scum game once because she got shadoweh mislynched on a fake cop claim.

uh, as town, otherwise that would mean something very different

granted that meta is at least a year old but my point is she plays selfishly.

[Lexicat]

Prims if I told you I was already getting ready to hop off the SP wagon onto something more likely to flip scum but wanted to keep applying pressure, what would you say?

I kinda can't do that anymore because your above post basically said exactly what I was already thinking and kind of ruins any reactions I could get.

[Lexicat]

Hmm. 

Lexi, you are in a quicktopic with Bard, yes?

I'm honestly not even going to dignify this with a response.

[Lexicat]

uh, as town, otherwise that would mean something very different

granted that meta is at least a year old but my point is she plays selfishly.

I'd like to point out that that meta is like 2 years old at least and also that I was going through a particularly bad time in my life at that point, and did some really stupid shit because I was a bit off my rocker.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

i claimed masons as scum that game because I thought it would be funny and i wasn't off my rocker irl so i probably shouldn't be making jabs vOv

[Lexicat]

Pft. People are too quick to judge gambits as being bad. Now obviously there's a difference between that gambit and claiming a guilty on someone as the cop when you were roleblocked. (I mean, I wasn't TOTALLY crazy, I WAS a cop, I just got "no result").

No yeah I was very very crazy.  :V

[Lexicat]

On the other hand I still have no reason to explain what I'm thinking.

Prims, you're gonna have to sell me on Bard today.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

anyway I dunno what to tell you about Sky, I think he's town at this point and I don't think anything more is needed to come to that conclusion but if you wanted to be super sure of yourself then sorry. Playstyles are something we should be discussed postgame at this point.

if I sell you on Bard it's gonna be have to be tomorrow. although I was planning on staying up super late tonight I wasn't planning on dedicating it to Mafia.

tl;dr though: he hates low-content players but never tries to get anything out of Dan until it's counterwagon time and skips you entirely (I don't buy that you'd just "slip his mind" when he's the sort of person who gets irritated about these things), pours large effort into a back-and-forth with me when I'm attacking him and his case D1 but when it's D2 his effort is suddenly minimal and skips over associative tells. When you're town and lynch scum D1 you're super motivated going into D2 since you have shiny new important info to work off of, not so much as scum who just lost their buddy.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

also fwiw I apologize for the snippy comments D1. Most were made with the hope they'd spur you into being more open as I have trouble working with your playstyle but yeah I was being an ass unnecessarily.

[Lexicat]

the reactions weren't about Sky, prims. they were about someone else.

I can actually buy that Bard case, let me reread some shit.

[Lexicat]

also fwiw I apologize for the snippy comments D1. Most were made with the hope they'd spur you into being more open as I have trouble working with your playstyle but yeah I was being an ass unnecessarily.

They didn't bother me and showed me you were totally town?

[Sky_Paladin]

I have reason to beleive Just and Lexi are sharing a quicktopic. I don't know if it is as neighbors, masons, or scum, but Lexi's refusal to clarify makes me think it is the latter.  This also explains why Bard skipped Lexi in Prims case, earlier.

Therefore I'm going to go with a flip of Bard being very likely to be scum, and also indicative of Lexi's alignment.  Just has more votes than Lexi, so Ill vote Bard. 

##invote
##vote Just

I'll explain why I came to this conclusion in a little bit and others can agree/disagree with my interpretation of events. But for now I want to see some responses to my many, many questions, and content from Just and Lexi.