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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #150 on: August 04, 2014, 07:55:58 PM »
oh and not sure if i already said this but my ability is one shot.
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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #151 on: August 04, 2014, 08:48:23 PM »
@Just. Meant that I could type normally D2. The two suns meant D2.

Solid, that's consistent with this post.

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Shadoweh;s been similar to rakaria IMO meaning she didn't really give much stance on anything except for DNA. Never actually states what was scummy about DNA freakout response. I don't really get her read on me.

Generally whenever I read Shadoweh posts I inadvertently disagree with her notion of scumhunting. In this case I agree that she and Raikaria are similar, but where I'm concerned Shadoweh isn't out of the ordinary for having no reads and no scumhunt effort.

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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #152 on: August 04, 2014, 08:50:15 PM »
It'd be OK if Raikaria had at least posted anything about someone indicating alignment, but he hasn't.

By the way; this is a misrep.

Also I forgot to mention I don't think highly of SB in terms of liklihood to be town and SB is wanting Sky lynched and not DNA.

So; yeah; I'd rather vote against what my strongest scumread right now wants.

Haven't given a straight stance on anything because I don't *have* a clear stance on anything yet. I'm still attempting to figure out everyone. The only person I'm pretty sure if town is pokemon; aka: That guy with the posting restriction.

That's 2 people I gave clear reads on.

I thought SB was scum because of his #93. As I explained in #94 how the timing of him claiming he was cut means his Sky vote had no justification at all; and even his little afterword about being cut dosen't justify it.

And I said I think Pokemon123 is town.

So; yeah; that's my opinion of your slot falling rapidly Bardiche.


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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #153 on: August 04, 2014, 08:53:00 PM »
Rakaria why do still want to lynch poly/bard slot despite him not saying anything at the time of your post.

That exact reason. People who lurk Day 1 here are often scum; letting the most vocal members of the town rip themselves apart early.


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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #154 on: August 04, 2014, 08:56:42 PM »
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Yes, yes, I know, it's meta by now that you just don't participate in D1 and take a free pass to D2, but at least make the posts you do make worth it. They aren't.
It's because the past couple months i've been finding it difficult to play Mafia for depression reasons, not meta. I'm trying to ease my way back into the run of things with this game, but it's hard.

I am pretty badly lost right now, actually, but I'm in full agreement with Bard's read on Raikaria, I mentioned it yesterday, Raikaria voteparked all day and did nothing, which is pretty terrible.
On the other hand, Raikaria can't be a roleblocker if his action is to vend fruits, hmm.

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I could ask if announce counts as acting but I already know I'm not going to get an answer on that.

Anyway my thinking is probably too shallow at the moment, need to read more and see if I can get a deeper introspective on things.

Skypal seems like pretty obvious scum if BBM's investigation is right, so I'm just gonna pass over him and look for the buddy.
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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #155 on: August 04, 2014, 08:58:19 PM »
Oh yeah forgot about BBM's tracker thing.

By the way; don't like Bard's reaction to the tracker claim especially combined with the misrep on me.

But anyway:

#Vote: Sky_Paladin

3 votes on him out of five should be enough to make him open up when he posts.


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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #156 on: August 04, 2014, 08:59:14 PM »
Also can people stop accusing me of 'doing nothing'? Especially people who themselves did even less?

And especially ignoreing people who did even less? [Shadoweh; NNR]


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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #157 on: August 04, 2014, 08:59:48 PM »
Actually yeah based on the past three post I'm just going to ##Vote: Raikaria right now, all sorts of wrong with his posts.

Townreads are not scumreads and don't count as contributing. I could call anyone town but I wouldn't be getting anything useful done if I'm trying to hunt for scum. This isn't Oarfish's game.

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That exact reason. People who lurk Day 1 here are often scum; letting the most vocal members of the town rip themselves apart early.
This is hilariously hypocritical as well.
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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #158 on: August 04, 2014, 09:12:12 PM »
I'm not even going to dignify you with a counter-argument NNR. I literally posted on this same page where I called someone out on questionable; scummy actions.


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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #159 on: August 04, 2014, 09:31:31 PM »
Actually yeah based on the past three post I'm just going to ##Vote: Raikaria right now, all sorts of wrong with his posts.

Townreads are not scumreads and don't count as contributing. I could call anyone town but I wouldn't be getting anything useful done if I'm trying to hunt for scum. This isn't Oarfish's game.
This is hilariously hypocritical as well.

rakaria gave scumreads just now lol.

also sorry for sounding dumb but how is that hypocritical?
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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #160 on: August 04, 2014, 09:35:26 PM »
Actually yeah based on the past three post I'm just going to ##Vote: Raikaria right now, all sorts of wrong with his posts.

Townreads are not scumreads and don't count as contributing. I could call anyone town but I wouldn't be getting anything useful done if I'm trying to hunt for scum. This isn't Oarfish's game.
This is hilariously hypocritical as well.

also what else do you find wrong with his posts.
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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #161 on: August 04, 2014, 10:04:35 PM »
@Raikaria:
When you spend the most part of the day espousing how you have no reads, and only formulate some near the end of the Day, that's what I'd call Token Reads. You're providing reads so as not to come across as having none, at a juncture when your read basically means zilch: the Town has already had a row about who is and isn't Scum. Coming in late with an opinion when hithertofore you deigned not to steer the Town in any direction isn't helpful at all and fits perfectly in a scum agenda of seeming active and involved when you're really not.

Having a Townread is nice, but when people are arguing over whether Darkninjaabc is scummy or not, you could put some effort, analyse the posts and say whether you think Darkninjaabc is or is not scummy. At the very least, "scummier than neutral" exists as an opinion. You provided none of it until the end of the Day and now claim that that somehow constitutes as a contributing opinion. It isn't.

This argument attempts to dismantle my case by zooming in on a singular point─you still haven't had any worthwhile activities to your name where you're hunting scum, pushing people to get reads or otherwise gathering information. Most of it is a simple votepark on a lurker while only posting snippets of token contribution.

The entire spiel about SB is dishonest in the sense that you're relying on a logical fallacy:

You propose SB is Scum, and without checking whether your assumption is correct, undermine him. That's counting your chicks before the eggs are hatched.

There are three other reasons you quoting that post isn't a very bright idea.

1) If you were Town suspecting SB as Scum, it doesn't make sense to vote opposite of what he wants. It'd make sense to be voting him strongly and try to get people on an SB wagon instead. Moreover, even if he were Scum, there were two others voting alongside him─why could he not be trying to bus a scumbuddy? You blithely disregarded this possibility to do something very odd.

2) If we accept BBM's claim as true, that means SkyPal is very likely Scum. Using a contrived reason as, "I think SB is scum, and I don't want his lynch target lynched", you're basically saying you actively moved to prevent Scum's lynch Day 1 and tried to push DNA's lynch ahead instead.

3) Town's weapon is a lynch. With less than 30 minutes left, instead of trying to secure a lynch, you tied up wagons. Pro-Town movement would have voted Sky Paladin in hopes someone else can hammer. Pro-Scum movement is avoiding the lynch. Now that Town no longer has the option to No lynch, they can't opt to ease 4-man LYLO (3 town 1 scum) through No Lynch, and the D1 wagons have yielded a grand total of No Information Whatsoever.

So if today is a Sky Paladin lynch (likely), then that doesn't reflect well on you at all, given you tried to swing the wagon to DNA using the above reason as well as "90% gut".

Suspecting me because I suspect you is old as time, and of course you'd find my reaction to BBM's claim weird. But can you argue why it's scum-minded to disregard a claim up in the air to pursue other leads?

That exact reason. People who lurk Day 1 here are often scum; letting the most vocal members of the town rip themselves apart early.

I can't rhyme this with Town intent at all, because it's plainly obvious Poly just had no intention of at all playing the game. The irony is astounding, considering Raikaria did exactly that: let the most vocal members of the Town discuss among themselves, poking in every here and there, and only taking a definite stance of x versus y when the deadline had almost fallen.

So; yeah; that's my opinion of your slot falling rapidly Bardiche.

Considering almost all of Day 1 was spent voteparking my slot, I didn't think your opinion could drop any lower.



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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #162 on: August 04, 2014, 10:06:49 PM »
I checked your initial reasons for voting SB in your #94, Raikaria. That's what I call a chainsaw defence: you're trying to pretend he had no valid reason to vote Sky Paladin and used that as a basis to throw suspicion onto SB instead.

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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #163 on: August 04, 2014, 10:39:11 PM »
I have work so I can't do anything right now; I'll be back around midday for a short window and then I'll be on during the day. 

I'm pretty sure I'm confirmed town because DNA targetted me and didn't die; BBM coming out with a fake guilty lines up with my pick of a BBM/DNA scum team late last phase. 

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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #164 on: August 04, 2014, 11:00:25 PM »
I have work so I can't do anything right now; I'll be back around midday for a short window and then I'll be on during the day. 

I'm pretty sure I'm confirmed town because DNA targetted me and didn't die; BBM coming out with a fake guilty lines up with my pick of a BBM/DNA scum team late last phase. 

Gotta go.

i thought DNA targetted neko neko rex. He was hooked. If you flip town announcer if you get lynched BBM gets auto lynched so what reason would BBM have to fake a guilty.
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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #165 on: August 05, 2014, 12:05:29 AM »
No, he doesn't have scumreads.

Day 1 he voteparked on Poly for almost entirely the whole day, finally switching to someone else 2 hours from deadline on SB with a token complaint, before consolidating. SB is now dead so the read barely even applies anymore, and DNA is essentially confirmed town.

Today so far he's gone and voted essentially confirmed scum, which takes about as much effort to find as skimming the thread and looking for the confirmed scum post. Aside from that he's complaining about people voting him, which is equally worthless because his defense is garbage.

Town reads are basically worthless unless you have enough of them to PoE the scum, which Raikaria has not, and anyway townhunting is not a worthwhile (or smart) undertaking anyway.

Raikaria is being accused of doing nothing because he IS doing nothing.
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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #166 on: August 05, 2014, 01:49:23 AM »
i hit SP as NL happened. i got hooked. which means one of the 2 man scumteam hit me. the other hit SB so he died. BBM tracked SP to SB and SP claimed announcer. So yeah, thats what happened
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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #167 on: August 05, 2014, 01:54:06 AM »
Skypal is an announcer, so he clearly has no business visiting SB unless he was scum. There's no two ways around it.
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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #168 on: August 05, 2014, 01:58:10 AM »
assuming raikaria's claim is legit (which BBM can confirm upon online), we essentially have a clear picture of how roles work in this game. there exist one full cop (tracker), a doctor whose properties are unknown but most certainly saved my life, and me whos a oneshot investigation, the cop is reduced in effectiveness by throwing in some random junk roles to confuse him while the other cop has some nasty prerequisites (namely, dying w/o external influence) in order to be useful.

hence, if we buy raikaria's claim being a confirmable junk role, i would call it likely that there exist one more junk role to scramble up the actions. yet whichever the way it is, it would have been confirmed for town players to have one ability. so SP cannot possibly an Announcer+Junk combo because it goes against modding sense

of course this is all assuming raikaria's claim is indeed true. but even if raikaira lied theres still no reason to not lynch skypal who was tracked to a dead player
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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #169 on: August 05, 2014, 02:05:08 AM »
tbh my read for scum is still nnr aside from raikaria, reason still as stated. no effort all through D1>keep making known conclusions D2. it looks like nothing less than scummy because thats exactly how scums present themselves as contributive members of town
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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #170 on: August 05, 2014, 02:27:53 AM »
I have work so I can't do anything right now; I'll be back around midday for a short window and then I'll be on during the day. 

I'm pretty sure I'm confirmed town because DNA targetted me and didn't die; BBM coming out with a fake guilty lines up with my pick of a BBM/DNA scum team late last phase. 

Gotta go.

actually assuming you believed his claim which you seem to have done by calling yourself confirmed town why is DNA still scum? I don't imagine vhaltz would put a weak scum visitor.
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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #171 on: August 05, 2014, 02:29:58 AM »
It's because the past couple months i've been finding it difficult to play Mafia for depression reasons, not meta. I'm trying to ease my way back into the run of things with this game, but it's hard.

I am pretty badly lost right now, actually, but I'm in full agreement with Bard's read on Raikaria, I mentioned it yesterday, Raikaria voteparked all day and did nothing, which is pretty terrible.
On the other hand, Raikaria can't be a roleblocker if his action is to vend fruits, hmm.

@Mod: Can a scum player act and kill on the same night?
I could ask if announce counts as acting but I already know I'm not going to get an answer on that.

Anyway my thinking is probably too shallow at the moment, need to read more and see if I can get a deeper introspective on things.

Skypal seems like pretty obvious scum if BBM's investigation is right, so I'm just gonna pass over him and look for the buddy.

can you explain what you meant by that? Are you claiming hooked or something?

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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #172 on: August 05, 2014, 02:43:20 AM »
I am implying Raikaria might be a scum roleblocker if he is Skypal's buddy.
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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #173 on: August 05, 2014, 02:45:42 AM »
Or DNA was jailed, which wouldn't make a terrible amount of sense if people were expecting DNA to attempt to suicide on Skypal, but I suppose it's feasable.

I still think Raikaria is scum in any case.
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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #174 on: August 05, 2014, 02:48:36 AM »
The possibility that Raikaria has a weird role that lets him do multiple things at night like my Terrible Trio role from Villains 2 isn't out of the question if you want to rolespec how Raikaria can block and do his fruit thing.

Anyway I'm not going to rolespec, I'm voting Raikaria out of being scummy.
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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #175 on: August 05, 2014, 02:49:50 AM »
I still think DNA is mad because I thought he was voteless scum, but I digress.
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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #176 on: August 05, 2014, 03:02:58 AM »
i dont give a shat about your mad rants nnr, but once BBM confirm raikaria's role tonight i am copping you
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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #177 on: August 05, 2014, 03:22:38 AM »
tbh i dislike shadoweh because they never states why dark is scummy in the first place. I'm also confused by her Zak read. It feels like they waffle(not sure if i'm using the term correctly). It feels like they scumreads him when they  says that guys posts make them nervous. I don't really get their second post because it feels like she goes he's saying the same thing as BBM in reality which uh makes him townie i'm getting from her post. there read on me feels like fluff tbh because it doesn't really add to the discussion and feels it's like there just to be there. they never commented on the other wagons like they said they were going to.
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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #178 on: August 05, 2014, 03:32:43 AM »
well, there's that too, luckily we have 3 whole days we can use to decide on who to lynch other than SP

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Re: NSP Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #179 on: August 05, 2014, 03:33:17 AM »
oh wait maybe not really, since it would be better to conceal the doc
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