SCP Containment Breach Mafia - Game Over

[Dorian White]

Geez so much to do and so little time, so I better use it wisely.
Lets start with tings to address.

@SB: Can you tell me where I used AtE?

@Sky Paladin: Well, it wasn't the best way to start my new approach but even I lose my patience now and then. However, your alternatives are not better anyway. I mean why claiming when you shouldn't know my role already? Just in case you missed it:

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8 slots, 9 players: there is a slot for a hydra, which is counted as a pr and balanced accordingly.
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Defending is also out, because it will only keep me from scumhunting without changing anything.
You also seems to have missed the two posts before that where I addressed my scum picks already.

@Raikaria: So, my act was anti-town? Then tell me why have I just threatened you with it instead of just doing it. Like this:

##Unvote
##Vote: Gotyou

Just kidding, I'm having way to much fun to end it right now.^^

Now to to this.

Shipping like Nepeta ...

You can write Dorian X Everyone fanfictions all day but one thing makes me curious.
Let's say that it's already day three, I was lynched and flipped town. Ho do you see as scum then?

[Raikaria]

Simple. Scum don't want to die either. You'd selfhammer to end discussion early if you couldn't get people to budge or something.

But yes; I forgot the Hydra itself counts as a PR. Although if that is the entire PR is something else. It might just eat up 'PR Budget'.

[Dorian White]

Oh, so you think that I budged people? That would be odd, cause it certainly don't looks that way to me.^^;

Also, it would be lovely if you could answer this question too.

Let's say that it's already day three, I was lynched and flipped town. Who would you see as scum then?

[ActionDan]

I'm watching the thread.

[ActionDan]

And thinking about when to best Massclaim

[Dorian White]

And thinking about when to best Massclaim

Never, roles are no alignment indicators and therefore irrelevant.

By the way Dan, have you reached any kind of conclusion on who's scum by now?

[Raikaria]

Oh, so you think that I budged people? That would be odd, cause it certainly don't looks that way to me.^^;

Also, it would be lovely if you could answer this question too.

That was directed at me? I thought it was directed at BT because of you quoteing him.

Obviously this is subject to change; but due to D1 I would suspect Sb; and by extension; ActionDan. Secondary is Sky_Paladin who's not really done much of use so far; and neither did Refa.

[Dorian White]

That question was meant for everyone to answer, I just started with the people I saw being around.

Also, is there nothing from day two that plays in? I mean we are already halfway through.

[Raikaria]

Well for one there's your actions when you went to L-1...

And not a lot has exactly HAPPENED Day 2 so far besides you going to L-1 and the whole Dan getting Vanilla'ed thing. And I've taken both into account. I have said that am fairly sure that if you are town that puts doubt on SB; it also puts doubt on Actiondan due to SB 'clearing' him.

[Dorian White]

Don't you mean the thing where you put me to L-1, giving scum the perfect opportunity to just call me out on something and call it a day? Cause that's what I see happening right now.
And about Dan, Scum SB could try to get town credit in case that Dan flips first or he sets him up for a mislynch in case SB flips first.

[ActionDan]

So... If everyone else vanilla that's one thing.   I sorta think SB is scum.  that's why I'm thinking about MC.

[Sky_Paladin]

I am okay with a mass claim. 

[Dorian White]

I'm a bit bored, so lets try to analyze my wagon.

Sky Paladin: What happened to the guy that use to write walls of analyzes, viewing every detail from all angles? And yet all I get are two snip shoots? That's disappointing.
Unfortunately is there only one thing I get from it, whatever it was that he took, it was good stuff.^^;

SB: I don't know, first he's PoEing his way down to me and then he says that he's pretty sure that I'm scum anyway, how convenient? So who is testing the water now?

Raikaria: I'm not sure if he's aware but his vote took todays conclusion in advance. How can someone end discussion early if there aren't discussions to begin with.
I'm also still unsure about the question, would scum Raikaria would act that careless? Maybe, but my flip and SBs careful telegraphed suspicion will get him in trouble tomorrow for sure.


And here's something that I almost missed.

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Dorian: If SB's scum, what say you about his claim and Dan's slot? The only thing you have to say about Dan in that regard is that the claim is interesting - but he's claimed insomnia-tor and vanilla-ized. Does not give the impression that you're focusing on the important bits. It might also be worth talking about why the Raitaki part of the slot didn't post more of your thoughts/arguments during the second half of D1.
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Well, if you mean that he cleared Dan, then I say that is wine till we get SBs flip and it will be still wine if he flips scum. And the ?important bits? wasn't what he claimed but what he did with the result. The offensive use of his claim was pro town at least but that he didn't got to a conclusion (till now if I'm not mistaken) is meh.
Also, you may have missed it but Raitaki spend the better part of day one posting his interpretation of my thought ( i.E. my ideas his arguments).

[Dorian White]

So... If everyone else vanilla that's one thing.   I sorta think SB is scum.  that's why I'm thinking about MC.

Just two questions. What makes you think that SB is scum? And what took you so long?

By the way, you are SCP-294, right?

[ActionDan]

SCP-1025 actually.  I waited cuz I'm a lazy guy. 

[Raikaria]

Don't you mean the thing where you put me to L-1, giving scum the perfect opportunity to just call me out on something and call it a day? Cause that's what I see happening right now.
And about Dan, Scum SB could try to get town credit in case that Dan flips first or he sets him up for a mislynch in case SB flips first.

Any scum quickhammering with 56 hours left would be ripped apart D3. The fact that I put you at L-1 at that point and a few hours afterwards wasn't an immediate danger to you.

That and no-one quickhammering later into the day may be an indication that you are scum. But this is just me metagameing about 'scum won't kill scum' hen bussing is a thing.

Likewise; if I was scum; why would I have pulled out of letting you quickhammer and end the day? I already explained about how if you did that it would be awful for the town. The tone of 'Cause that's what I see happening right now.' seems to be implying you think I am the scums; when my actions directly contradict it.

If there are scum on your wagon I would rather look at SB [and by extension Dan] and/or Sky_Paladin [The slot hasn't really done much the entire game and Sky himself hasn't done anything that looked particularly town; even if Refa did have a few townish posts]

[Raikaria]

Oh yeah; calls for masslcaims. I'm not pro-massclaiming but whatever. Anyway; I'm SCP-714. I'm a one-shot roleblocker. Specifically I make the person too exhausted to act. I'm yet to use my roleblock. I probobly won't use it tonight since scum cannot kill N2 but I'll instead use it N3 to try and block the scum nightkill or something.

Didn't use it N1 because I didn't have a solid scumread at that point and felt my chances of hitting a town PR were greater than hitting scum.

[Sky_Paladin]

I am a class D personnel, aka vanilla town.  I don't have any of those fancy letters that most of you seem to have. 

[Dorian White]

@ Raikaria:
The point you still don't see is that putting me at L-1 that early in the day is as good as saying, ?we lynch Dorian today and there is nothing more to talk about!? and that was a bigger threat to town than my selfhammer bluff could be.
I mean, if you haven't  noticed, the discussion here had dropped down to the two of us.

I should actually start to pray that I'm wrong, cause if my reads are right, then the town I'm going to leave would be Drugged Paladin, LazyDan and Piefke. We are so doomed!^^;;

[Sky_Paladin]

my selfhammer bluff could be.

You've been at L-1 for most of the day and the phase is almost over.  Several players have already claimed.  Are you going to claim?  Or is your claim 'vanilla hydra'?

[Raikaria]

@ Raikaria:
The point you still don't see is that putting me at L-1 that early in the day is as good as saying, ?we lynch Dorian today and there is nothing more to talk about!? and that was a bigger threat to town than my selfhammer bluff could be.
I mean, if you haven't  noticed, the discussion here had dropped down to the two of us.

I should actually start to pray that I'm wrong, cause if my reads are right, then the town I'm going to leave would be Drugged Paladin, LazyDan and Piefke. We are so doomed!^^;;

Yes; I've noticed a lot of people taking a back seat.

Which I dislike. I have already expressed annoyance at Sky's lack of content in particular. I have stated that depending on how you flip will change who I prioritize Day 3 due to your interactions with other players.

But the fact is right now I think you are scum due to your reaction to being put at L-1; combined with Raitaki's pushes on SB D1. I am fine with putting you at L-1.

It is not my job to make a counterwagon for your sake. It is yours. There is no real discussion happening because no-one is making a counterwagon. You're voting for SB but no-one else seems to enjoy the idea of voting SB right now; especially after he 'confirmed' Dan. The lack of your ability to make a counter wagon that can sway even a single other person to vote someone who is not you [Everyone not voting you isn't voting at all] doesn't reflect very well on your scumhunting.

And not scumhunting/an inability to make solid cases is also a trait of scum.

You are also not really making any efforts to convince anyone voting you to unvote. Or at least; no successful ones.

[Dorian White]

Just as expected, SB and later BT just past by to say how scummy I'm and vanished. That's cowardice in front of the enemy! Come back in here and tell me how scummy I'm, that my flip can blow up right into your face.

You've been at L-1 for most of the day and the phase is almost over.  Several players have already claimed.  Are you going to claim?  Or is your claim 'vanilla hydra'?

Yes, my role is in fact town hydra, as you should knew if you payed attention to the matter. And before you ask, Raitaki is SCP-513 and I'm SCP-513-1.

Can we now talk about things that matters now? Like your opinion on anyone who isn't me?

[Raikaria]

Oh yes; BT has vanished mysteriously.

I keep forgetting about BT; when I think of people for inactivity currently I think Sky for his overall lack of content and of course Dan; but BT's 'vote and vanish' and complete lack of comment on recent developments seems awkward at best.

Of course this opens up three lines of inquiry to follow later. Although I guess I'd support a Sky lynch today. I'd rather not lynch SB or Dan over Dorian and BT I need to mll over what Dorian just pointed out before I decide.

[SB]

Oh, that's what I call a turn of events, putting me at L-1 where I had barely time to explain myself. If you want to play like that, fine.

YOU GOT 25 MIN. TO UNVOTE OR MY NEXT POST WILL BE A SELFHAMMER!

Dorian, this was the post I considered to be AtE.

Raikaria's claim has me conflicted. He's practically CCing a flipped townie but barely anyone HAD called for massclaim at that point so it's not like he didn't have a chance to think of something better? I'd argue it's more of a towntell than anything else in that case but I want to know what other people think? I do find it amusing how he says "if you're looking for scum on your wagon you should look at <every other player on it>" though. Which one of us is worse in that regard, and do you think if I'm scum I've killed my scumbuddy's role in an awkward gambit?

Sky, regardless of Dorian's alignment your tunneling isn't helping. He has to have a scumbuddy, who is it? I don't like you just dropping in to post a claim then running off again.

If people thought that there were too many VTs for my claim to be real then they need to remember that scum likely have roles to bomb too, although catching them out if probably less likely.

[Raikaria]

Which one of us is worse in that regard, and do you think if I'm scum I've killed my scumbuddy's role in an awkward gambit?

What?

I think there is a chance BT is outright lying about being Vanilla'ed and you're 'clearing' him. I don't think you 'Vaillia'ed your scumbuddy'.

I don't think it's that likely; but I do think it is a chance and a chance that should not be ignored. Especially if Dorian flips town. [Which I doubt]

[BT]

My "vanishing act" is a combination of stagnant D2 and the fact that I'm learning for exams, but whatever.

I have to admit that I'm having second thoughts - some of Dorian's latest posts feel more town than scum and I probably have a stronger scumread on Sky's extremely lazy posting. I haven't seen Sky's last games, so has his meta changed drastically? He's really un-Sky-like despite having subbed in. SB-Sky is actually a pretty appealing scumteam choice. Granted, most of this is on my foggy memory of things, but I'm pretty sure it's appealing. I could make a more meaty post (that would also solidify my thoughts) on why it's probably these two but I really need to spend my time on other things right now.

[Sky_Paladin]

Although I guess I'd support a Sky lynch today.

This looks like a lead up to another town deadline consolidation mislynch. 

I think Dorian is scum because I am sheeping Vhaltz case that Dorian largely talked about themselves.  They earlier posted a small wall that had no scum picks at all and I felt it was an empty content post that attempted to look like content (complete with imperial logo and everything); and the blatant threat to self hammer/taunting for holding the town hostage feels bad to me. 

I'm not writing much because I'm copying Dan. 

[Dorian White]

@ Raikaria: Geez Piefke, if I were able to get any idea into your ignorant and biased mind then I wouldn't be in this situation to begin with.
And since you were so fund of MotK meta is here a fun fact: Felt 98% of the lynches that go through without resistance are town.

Also:

... Raikaria is a bit better on the reread too and I think I was getting too emotionally charged and it screwed with my judgement, but if he isn't scum I'm not sure who else would be? ...

SB already distanced himself from the better part of his day one content, so I don't see what I could address as a whole.

And if you can't see what's wrong with BTs scum pair shipping walls for yourself then I really can't help you.

@ SB: Yes, I tried to scare him of my wagon to keep, at least the illusion that todays outcome were still open. Maybe not the best idea but it was past midnight and I was at my wit's end at that moment.
However, maybe I'm biased here but I still think that your careful moves fits a scum game plan way better than Raikarias ?a bull in a china shop? methods.

@ BT: Sorry but I can only judge what I see and what I saw from you is lacking. All you did  since ED1 is making scum pairs, without having a scum flip is that only good to set up mislynches, in doubt your own if you are foolish enough to do it as town.
It's also funny that you call out Sky for his play style change, cause I'm sure that you had better things to offer in the past than what you gave in this game.
And about Skys change, I can only hope that this is caused by the ?happy pills? that he mentioned, MotK can't handle a second ActionDan.

Cut by my worst nightmare came true. Oh please. Just fucking lynch me already!

[ActionDan]

##Vote: SB

Too many things just don't feel right with his claim, its use, and how he approached today with the knowledge his shot was used up.   

First let's play math.

Keep in mind that it is typical in 9 person - 2 scum setups for town to have 2- (big maybe!) 3 PRs (e.g matrix-8) with scum having 1 PR and in an eight person setup with odd NKs only power should be about the same.

We can safely assume that there are 2 scum in this game.  Let's take the position that SB is town, and town has 3 -4 PRs (not counting the Hybrid... which I really hope would not mess with SB's claimed role) with the potential 4th being Raikaria's claimed 1-shot roleblock.  that leaves 4-5 potential vanilla people left to get a clear / guilty with 2 scum in the mix.   That's insanely strong.  It's a bit below full cop, and though someone may think the pitfalls don't make the power comparable you have to realize that odd NKs make a cop on a vanilla N1 yield huge dividends since scum can't kill a cop clear n2 or the cop (if he even needs to claim) and a useful result is most likely achieved the next day (just think of the power a full cop in this setup would have with a jailer).

In fact with that role I might demand a mass-vanilla claim D1. it's that good. 

So from a power standpoint I don't like it at all no matter what possible role scum could have (and if Raikaria's role is to be believed I am thinking 1-shot strongman that breaks both roleblocks on them and protects and very possibly a 1-shot vanillizer since otherwise Even nights are free nights for the town and roles like jailers have no purpose then)

Quite obviously, if scum SB is a vanillizer.

That's a power standpoint view.

I think based on play around the role, SB doesn't make the best impression either.  Although it's true I would have no idea what he would have thought of the content post I made, he did have other suspicions namely Raikaria and as D2 shows from his first post before I announced I was vanillerized, Raikati/Dorian.   Although I claimed to be a hard read, so was Refa.  Now I think my post at the end of D1 was pretty good and honestly if you see a post that big from me I'm probably town via meta (but totally not always maybe*) so I dunno if a town guy who knows me would have the first thought to cop me other other equally likely good candidates.

I also did crumb D1 but I dunno if that was easy to pick up on because it looked like gibberish.

D2 if I were in SB's position I would not have assumed that my target would claim to be vanillized.  I would have tried to induce a reaction.  Even claiming, "I vanillized you, what was your role?" would work or something.  It was pretty easy.

2ndly when SB describes some of his suspicions in the first post of D2 he treats them (including me) somewhat equally, including levels of suspicion and time spent talking about us and equal treatment including a reread of us... which imo would take lots more self-control knowing you have a result and some kind of decision to actually treat us the same trying to hide a result that doesn't need to be so hidden.  That and why bother wasting time to explain a slightly nuanced right that should clear up one way or the other the same day. 

Other things: lamenting on waiting to use his power N2 is rather weird since the worst that could happen is targeting a PR that dies night 1.  chances of that are quite slim, so that belies not really thinking about his role.  Asking to know if there was more than one person targeting me, which might be preparation for a claim fight if so.  I don't really buy the gauging reactions from other players thing.  He knew I was town at that point so I feel like even if he suspected multiple visits he'd just claim to be believed with nothing to hide.

[ActionDan]

2ndly

We should plan for the following if indeed SB turns out to be town. 

N2 lol nothing.  (I assume BT and Raitaki/Dorian ARE VANILLA.  you better claim if that's not the case)

D3 we have to hit scum with me confirmed.  That shouldn't be super difficult.  Raikaria announces a RB for N3.

N3 if I die, 1 v 1 D4.

If I don't die, lynch D4, (shitall happens N4) lynch D5 1 v1 since I'll be alive.