Author Topic: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4  (Read 86302 times)

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #300 on: October 22, 2013, 09:09:25 AM »
>"I would neither ask nor expect that anyone change their inner selves instantly. But that does not mean it is not possible to change, nor that the first steps cannot be taken, no matter how far from the path one presently stands. You say that you value survival above nearly all else, but the skills which helped you to survive the horrors of Makai may not be the same ones that could best ensure your survival into a future beyond it. You believe that your victory over us is inevitable, and for a moment let us even assume that this is true. But it will not be without cost. We will resist you, we will defend each other, and we will force you to fight for every inch you lay claim to; for this I speak not just of those gathered here, but countless others across our world. Others of your kin may be harmed or killed in the fighting, and the longer it lasts without resolution, the more of your kind will fall prey to the ire of your planet as they wait for a way to leave. Land and infrastructure that might have served your people's benefit could also be lost in the course of resistance. And yet all of that might be needless. You may consider them necessary or valid sacrifices in the name of a greater cause, but if a being truly seeks to maximize their own survival and the survival of their kind, surely it makes sense for them to a least consider a course that might require none of these?"
>"I do not wish to harm you and I feel sadness at your suffering. In ensuring your people's survival, we might even be allies; please do not assume we must be enemies."

>"I'm not assuming, Terran." Louise answers as you finish. "Personally, I don't see the value in a prolonged conflict either. Why do you think I tried to turn that priestess to my service, rather than simply killing her? I very easily could have, you know, just as I could have killed those other Terrans you had to have found after caging me. But I don't believe in death when it serves no purpose. Every Terran killed in this conflict is one less for Mother to reign over, when She comes. One less to free from their masters. And just as you say, every ounce of power we waste fighting you is more time Makai's hunger grows, more time Mother's power wanes. More dead Children. Every one of us knows that, even Air, fool though she is."
>"But the choice isn't mine to make, Terran." she says on, kneeling down and reaching her hand into the clear patch of water in front of her. "It isn't yours, either, really. You can choose to fight us or not, but we Champions have no choice. We have been made Champions by Mother's hands. We will find our Avatars, we will bring down the barrier, and we will free our people. Or.... We will die in the doing." She raises her hand out of the water, and it drips out of her palm leaden and heavy. "Except me. If you win... Well, I guess you'll decide my fate then. Everyone else will be gone."

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #301 on: October 22, 2013, 09:20:24 AM »
>"I have no more wish to kill them than I did you, and I do not intend to. From where I stand, victory is not vanquishing your kind, but rather ensuring that both our kinds may live in peace. I still believe firmly that this must be possible."
>"You say that you have no choice, but what are you strictly obligated to do? Not to kill - that much seems clear. To free your people from their torment, certainly. But in the task you have been given, is the subjugation of this world's population strictly entailed, should your other goals be realized? Though you might have seen that as the only path towards your goals, is it strictly required of you in the same sense?"

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #302 on: October 22, 2013, 09:32:18 AM »
>"I have no more wish to kill them than I did you, and I do not intend to. From where I stand, victory is not vanquishing your kind, but rather ensuring that both our kinds may live in peace. I still believe firmly that this must be possible."
>"You say that you have no choice, but what are you strictly obligated to do? Not to kill - that much seems clear. To free your people from their torment, certainly. But in the task you have been given, is the subjugation of this world's population strictly entailed, should your other goals be realized? Though you might have seen that as the only path towards your goals, is it strictly required of you in the same sense?"

>Louise clenches her fist to drain out the last of the leaden water from her palm. "Each of us are tasked with gathering the energy we need to sustain Mother, and to bring down the wall between this world and Makai."

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #303 on: October 22, 2013, 09:33:53 AM »
>"And if that could be accomplished without the conquest of my world?"

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #304 on: October 22, 2013, 09:38:04 AM »
>"And if that could be accomplished without the conquest of my world?"

>The demon does not answer immediately. She merely regards you curiously.

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #305 on: October 22, 2013, 09:41:46 AM »
>"You say that your given purpose and the subjugation of my planet are inexorably bound, but if your Mother could be sustained and your imprisonment on Makai ended, would that itself fulfill your purpose?"

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #306 on: October 22, 2013, 09:45:49 AM »
>"You say that your given purpose and the subjugation of my planet are inexorably bound, but if your Mother could be sustained and your imprisonment on Makai ended, would that itself fulfill your purpose?"

>"What exactly are you proposing, Terran?" the demon asks softly. "That you would aid the Champions in bringing down the barrier?"

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #307 on: October 22, 2013, 09:52:38 AM »
>"I am trying to understand the nature of this purpose you are bound to. I do not wish to see your kin continue to suffer on a hateful world, but nor do I wish to allow any of them to spread death or destruction among mine. So long as your aim and methods include this, I cannot help facilitate them. But if there were a way to fulfill your shared purpose without this, then things might be otherwise."

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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #308 on: October 22, 2013, 09:57:53 AM »
>"I don't fight because I hate you, you must understand. I fight because I do not wish to see violence and chaos when it need not happen. I want you to be to able to live as happily as we do. If both of these things can be done, then I will pursue that path with vigor. I don't think anyone here really hates your people or wants them to suffer, and I believe many will open their hearts upon hearing why you have done these things."
>"In the end, I don't feel we oppose each other, but rather we misunderstand."

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #309 on: October 22, 2013, 10:01:25 AM »
>"I don't fight because I hate you, you must understand. I fight because I do not wish to see violence and chaos when it need not happen. I want you to be to able to live as happily as we do. If both of these things can be done, then I will pursue that path with vigor. I don't think anyone here really hates your people or wants them to suffer, and I believe many will open their hearts upon hearing why you have done these things."
>"In the end, I don't feel we oppose each other, but rather we misunderstand."

>"You may feel that way, Terran, but your masters do not. We will have to fight them here, and we have to fight their mortal servants, but at least we will BE here to fight them."

>"I am trying to understand the nature of this purpose you are bound to. I do not wish to see your kin continue to suffer on a hateful world, but nor do I wish to allow any of them to spread death or destruction among mine. So long as your aim and methods include this, I cannot help facilitate them. But if there were a way to fulfill your shared purpose without this, then things might be otherwise."

>The blonde demon covers her mouth thoughtfully, and considers something for a moment. "There could be a way." she says at last.

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #310 on: October 22, 2013, 10:02:40 AM »
>"And what is it?"

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #311 on: October 22, 2013, 10:22:55 AM »
>"And what is it?"

>"Join us, Terran." the Water Champion almost pleads. "Help us save our world. In the doing, you could only help yours. You defeated that half-blood back in your world, the one who wore my ring. She craved the heart of a man, and she feared for his safety from my kind. So I promised her that once we were free, that the man she loved would be safe. That she, and him, would be exalted in Mother's world, for aiding her Children. Yes, it is true that there are Children like Air who have little or no value on mortal life, but there are also Children like me, who do. Join with me, and your voice will be heard; probably louder than any other mortal, because of the power you wield. You'd have the power to keep less powerful Children in line with your desires. Even the Seventh might listen to your voice, the powerful Terran who aided the Children in their plight." Pointing her finger at you, she continues, "You could very well save both worlds, Terran, both our peoples. And I know you'd make a difference against the Celestials when they come."

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #312 on: October 22, 2013, 10:29:58 AM »
>"The Seventh?"

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« Reply #313 on: October 22, 2013, 10:36:11 AM »
>"The Seventh?"

>"The Seventh who stands above the Six."

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #314 on: October 22, 2013, 10:38:56 AM »
>"And this person is Terran? How did they come to this position, if I might ask? As you yourself have said, Air does not seem to have much respect for Terrans on the whole, yet she is subordinate to one?"

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #315 on: October 22, 2013, 10:41:23 AM »
>"And this person is Terran? How did they come to this position, if I might ask? As you yourself have said, Air does not seem to have much respect for Terrans on the whole, yet she is subordinate to one?"

>"Will you join your power with ours, Terran?" Louise asks again.

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #316 on: October 22, 2013, 10:45:33 AM »
>"If I were to do so, that alone would not prevent Terrans from being sacrificed at the hands of some of your kin, would it?"

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Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #317 on: October 22, 2013, 10:52:16 AM »
>"Let me say that I do have an interest in trying to see what I can do for your world, so rest assured that I don't intend to simply leave that dangling. But for now, help me build a more complete picture of what is happening. Then we can hammer out the finer details of mutual assistance."

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #318 on: October 22, 2013, 11:00:12 AM »
>"If I were to do so, that alone would not prevent Terrans from being sacrificed at the hands of some of your kin, would it?"

>For a moment, sadness passes across Louise's face. She shakes her head. "I cannot promise that no lives at all would be lost. That guarantee is beyond me. But I CAN guarantee that your desire to save your kind is better served with us than against us."

>"Let me say that I do have an interest in trying to see what I can do for your world, so rest assured that I don't intend to simply leave that dangling. But for now, help me build a more complete picture of what is happening. Then we can hammer out the finer details of mutual assistance."

>The demon considers that, then withdraws her hand. "Reasonable. So long as you understand I will say nothing that could be used against the other Champions. I would no more betray them than you would betray your world."

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #319 on: October 22, 2013, 11:07:31 AM »
>"I respect that. It is your right to safeguard that which you feel is important, though remember that my wish is for the safety and prosperity of both our kinds, and it is with this goal in mind that I seek to understand."
>"That said, could you tell me a little more about the Seventh? Given what I have heard voiced about Terrans in your society, the presence of one with so much authority does surprise me. I am curious how this came to be."
>What do we know of Celestials and their involvement with Terran affairs, past and present?

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #320 on: October 23, 2013, 12:03:49 AM »
>What do we know of Celestials and their involvement with Terran affairs, past and present?

>The term 'Celestial' is slightly generic without further context. Virtually every mythos on Earth has stories of heavenly, or celestial, beings, most of which were verified during the holy wars of the Dark Ages.

>"I respect that. It is your right to safeguard that which you feel is important, though remember that my wish is for the safety and prosperity of both our kinds, and it is with this goal in mind that I seek to understand."
>"That said, could you tell me a little more about the Seventh? Given what I have heard voiced about Terrans in your society, the presence of one with so much authority does surprise me. I am curious how this came to be."

>"And you should remember that I still have to consider you our enemy for now." Louise answers with no malice. "At the moment, you still stand in opposition to the other Champions."
>"Other Champions?" White Rose asks pointedly. "Not you?"
>"I can hardly oppose you while you keep me caged." Louise answers with another of those faint shrugs. "I could try, but there's nothing to gain by fighting you here."

>Louise adjusts her hat again, tilting her head back to look up at the pinkish sky. "I really don't know much. Mother only told us what we needed to know."
>"Is this another one of those things Forest would know more about?" Lily asks.
>"Possibly. She's one of the oldest Children of all, and that means she's one of the wisest as well. But I won't speculate on what she does or doesn't know."

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #321 on: October 23, 2013, 12:07:48 AM »
>Verified how? What do we know of those events?

>"But you do know something beyond what you've already said of the Seventh, surely?"

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« Reply #322 on: October 23, 2013, 12:21:43 AM »
>Verified how? What do we know of those events?

>"But you do know something beyond what you've already said of the Seventh, surely?"

>Verified by mortal agents of myriad religions summoning their Gods and Angels to earth to make war upon every other religion, and everyone who didn't believe in theirs. It was a terribly violent end to a dark time of history.

>"I know that the Seventh would be found by the Six. And we Champions must find the Six."

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #323 on: October 23, 2013, 12:24:26 AM »
>How did those times resolve?
>Do we know of any more recent direct actions of these divine beings on this planet?
>Do we know how the gods of the four shrines here factored into these events?

>"Wait, I thought you were the Six?"

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #324 on: October 23, 2013, 01:40:27 AM »
>How did those times resolve?
>Do we know of any more recent direct actions of these divine beings on this planet?
>Do we know how the gods of the four shrines here factored into these events?

>"Wait, I thought you were the Six?"

>The main power of the world at the time was held by four major churches, one centered in Roma, one in ancient Moscovia, one in Eagleland, one in Yamato. The first two hurled their power against the others and everyone else around, the native Eaglelanders defended their territory fiercely, and the Yamato temples warred with themselves as much as outside forces. After decades of conflict, every major church was simply exhausted, and the war ended because no one else could fight. After that time, the influence of the churches withdrew into their own territories, and the animosity between them dissipated. It did not vanish, and still persists in some form to this day, but the wars of those ages are not forgotten. No soul wishes to start them again.
>A very large number of these divine beings perished during the war. Perhaps because of this, or because the methods to summon them were lost in the conflict, the days of divinities walking the world are gone. There are many religions still who persist in preaching that their totems god or gods walk the world in some way or form, but claims of this form are not met with the same eager belief as they once were. Although, your own recent experiences now make you question that.
>Information on that faith is somewhat scattered from that era. Most of the literature of Yamato was focused on the Shinto church, which was the main power at the time, and the Taoist faith and the Buddhist movement, who were its chief internal rivals at the time. The Faith of the Four Corners, as it was known at the time, was seen as something of a neutral force during the conflict, focusing more on aiding those who needed spiritual comfort in this time of turmoil. It offered sanctuary to individuals regardless of race or creed, and fought only to defend itself and the helpless who were menaced by others. Despite facing pressure and battle from all three forces and more beyond, the temples of the Four survived the war damaged, but intact. In fact, for a time after the war, you believe the Four Corners faith received an increased following, though you are not entirely certain on that front. Kiku would certainly know more on that front, you think.

>"We are Six." Louise counters. "Well, possibly now Five, so long as I remain-"
>"The Avatars." White Rose cuts her off. "Those Avatars you said. Six Champions, Six Avatars, right?"
>The Water Champion does not answer, but nor does she deny your kasha's claim, either.

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #325 on: October 23, 2013, 02:45:00 AM »
>"What are these Avatars?"

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« Reply #326 on: October 23, 2013, 03:49:31 AM »
>"What are these Avatars?"

>The blonde demon does not answer right away, seeming to consider something. At last she says, "I can think of no way to answer that question that does not threaten the task of the Champions."

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #327 on: October 23, 2013, 04:09:32 AM »
>"Okay, we can put that aside for the time being."
>"Let's talk about something else. These Celestials... you have called them our masters several times now, I believe, yet their presence is not at all obvious in our lives or most of our histories. Why do you name them so? Who precisely are they? A great many divinities are found in our religious traditions and more tangibly in the distant past, but they most certainly did not form a unified front."

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #328 on: October 23, 2013, 04:17:16 AM »
>"Okay, we can put that aside for the time being."
>"Let's talk about something else. These Celestials... you have called them our masters several times now, I believe, yet their presence is not at all obvious in our lives or most of our histories. Why do you name them so? Who precisely are they? A great many divinities are found in our religious traditions and more tangibly in the distant past, but they most certainly did not form a unified front."

>"Now that is something I simply don't know a lot about. Certain things are instinctive knowledge is us; we are born knowing the Celestials are our enemy, that they were the ones who locked us in the Dark Place, and that they took over Gensokyo afterwards. As to why you do not know them as such, that I do not know."

Re: Magical Lotus - Mahou Shoujou Byakuren - Episode 3, Part 4
« Reply #329 on: October 23, 2013, 04:26:28 AM »
>"From where I am standing, it certainly does not feel as though my world has been taken over by anyone, yet to you, this fact is instinctive knowledge? I find that disconnect curious. Is there anything at all else about them you might know? If they were indeed responsible for trapping your kind in such a hateful realm, then I would greatly wish to learn whatever I can."