Author Topic: Night of the Vampire Mafia: Happily Ever After (Read 133419 times)

Conqueror · « **Reply #630 on:** June 24, 2011, 03:15:02 PM »

My cat was doing some reading while I was gone. Shadoweh, if you thought PX was lying about his claim why did you suggest that we lynch Kiro IMMEDIATELY after he claimed?"

Shadoweh · « **Reply #631 on:** June 24, 2011, 03:30:48 PM »

Quote from: capt. h on June 24, 2011, 01:21:26 PM

Alright, I've decided that your defense against Schezo isn't that hot Shadoweh.

I do not care. Half of you think I'm scum for trying to wagon town Kiro. Half of you think I'm scum for saving scum Kiro. I don't win either way. You're not going to convince me a case against myself is good, because it's not. Let's for the sake of argument agree with you that Kiro is town and huh what started the wagon on him. Why are you reading everyone else on the Kiro wagon as town?

Conqueror: Okay, let me rephrase, what do you think happened to Kiro? I assume you think both Kiro and Chaore lied. I didn't notice his claim during that post, it happened while I was re-reading five-hundred other text walls. Note my post right after is me voting PX for not liking his claim. :p

Affinity · « **Reply #632 on:** June 24, 2011, 04:03:01 PM »

Yes, town will be informed if it is in LyLO or MyLO. Also, after some deliberation, I've decided that capt.h shall be modkilled at around 0200 GMT +0 hrs, around 12 hours later and halfway through the game day, Hopefully this will give him enough time to post all he wants to post.

capt. h · « **Reply #633 on:** June 24, 2011, 04:46:18 PM »

Quote from: UncertainKitten on June 24, 2011, 01:29:05 PM

Why'd you drop me so fast, capt. h.? I mean, it's probably not very useful to press you right now, but this really bugs me.

Because my case was stupid at the time, and I was criticized for my stupidity by non-players, so I got depressed and reverted back to my day 2 reads until I got some sleep in. I didn't think I would have time to make another case, so I just posted some reads and went to bed.

Quote from: UncertainKitten on June 24, 2011, 04:49:04 AM

To be honest I was busy today, and after two mislynches I heavily supported, I'm just a wee bit demoralized. Further, I've been reading...some theory . I think that my gut read on Chaore is one of the most pro town things I can do right now. I also gave my reads as promised, so it's actually a complete lie to say I've only mentioned Chaore. FURTHER, I asked a question about the case on Shadoweh earlier, one I still haven't seen answered. I was kind of hoping someone would enlighten me on that?

However, a gut read on Chaore is not one of the most pro-town things you can do. It's incredibly anti-town, because 1. It doesn't provide any evidence, 2. No one can defend against a gut read, and 3. You never have to explain the logic by which you reached your gut read.

I'm not asking you to ignore your gut, but to take your gut read and find evidence to support it. Saying your gut read on everyone is nice, but with no evidence to support any of those reads they all fall apart in seconds. Don't tell me you have a bad feeling about him, show me something Chaore said or did that gave you a bad feeling about him.

Quote from: UncertainKitten on June 23, 2011, 04:25:40 PM

Given how lovely my ~*~logical~*~ reads have gone, I think I'm going to try this gut thing. (I will try to form a better case on him after I work today, but for now you get GUT =D!)

I highly advise not dramatically changing your play style the day after a townie became scum.

capt. h · « **Reply #634 on:** June 24, 2011, 05:05:48 PM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on June 24, 2011, 03:30:48 PM

I do not care. Half of you think I'm scum for trying to wagon town Kiro. Half of you think I'm scum for saving scum Kiro. I don't win either way. You're not going to convince me a case against myself is good, because it's not. Let's for the sake of argument agree with you that Kiro is town and huh what started the wagon on him. Why are you reading everyone else on the Kiro wagon as town?

I had a fairly strong town read on PX that I didn't have on Kiro. I'm not too suspicious of the Kiro wagon; I'd choose ? over town. I'm more suspicious of players that actually thought PX was scum at the end of the day than players that thought Kiro could be scum.

I'm not trying to convince you that a case against yourself is good; I'm trying to decide if you're scum.

Conqueror · « **Reply #635 on:** June 24, 2011, 05:09:55 PM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on June 24, 2011, 03:30:48 PM

Conqueror: Okay, let me rephrase, what do you think happened to Kiro? I assume you think both Kiro and Chaore lied. I didn't notice his claim during that post, it happened while I was re-reading five-hundred other text walls. Note my post right after is me voting PX for not liking his claim. :p

Yeah, but then your next full post right after that was a wagon on Kiro, despite PX doing nothing a grand total of nothing.

Also, what targetter?

As for Kiro, it's hard to tell what happened, and I think it's leading to a bunch of conspiracy theories. What Zak says makes a lot of sense and is what I consider most likely right now.
I've also considered the possibility of a third party. Also that PX might have a vengeful kill of some kind (looking at his role name and character). A janitor shot is anti-town enough that I understand why he wouldn't want to claim it (though this doesn't explain why we weren't given a role description in his flip) and considering what happened with the waffle in MRM I could totally see PX using it.

But again, it's impossible to tell and any ideas that are thrown around are basically conspiracy theories. I think it's safe to say though that whatever happened wasn't done by a townie though (unless it's PX) because they would have claimed it by now.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #636 on:** June 24, 2011, 05:13:42 PM »

@capt. h.: I don't need to explain anything. It is in fact somewhat anti town to try to make a big case out of things. Yeah, that's right, I'm going into Cases Are Scummy mode. As for not dramatically changing my playstyle, I'd be more worried about doing that if I had anything to fear. We'll see how I feel in detail after my reread.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #637 on:** June 24, 2011, 05:29:05 PM »

Quote from: Conqueror on June 24, 2011, 05:09:55 PM

Also, what targetter?

Kiro claimed watcher + Kiro claimed to have seen someone targetting UK = Possible targetter out there is what I meant. Also are you going to slam me for attacking Kiro and waffling on PX or attacking PX and waffling on Kiro? You're playing a stupid gotcha game with me and it's irritating.

Conqueror · « **Reply #638 on:** June 24, 2011, 05:37:08 PM »

Not a gotcha game. I'm trying to figure out why you did this.

You didn't believe PX's claim. You voted for Kiro still. Why?

Shadoweh · « **Reply #639 on:** June 24, 2011, 05:48:41 PM »

Because I didn't like Kiro either by that point. That's why I'm annoyed, I wanted to vote both of them. You're asking me to justify why I picked between two people I was suspicious of as if one means I was forgiving the other. Putting Kiro's scummy action against PX's scummy claim. I thought it was more likely that PX just left the flavor out.

Conqueror · « **Reply #640 on:** June 24, 2011, 05:52:03 PM »

Good enough for me. There's a reason I was voting Kiro by the end of the day, too.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #641 on:** June 24, 2011, 06:02:34 PM »

Be sure to ask Kitten how wonderful my choosing skills are in relation to my Diplomacy orders when I drink. >.> Speaking of which I can't remember the last time I've slept, so I think I'm going to fix that soon. Interrogate someone who might actually be scum, townies!

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #642 on:** June 24, 2011, 07:16:29 PM »

The Case is starting to stagnate, Chaore's claims make sense even given the Scum Kiro theory I propose, I notice people are getting too hot and bothered under the collar about the Kiro case in the first place, and have started to ignore other things, Chaore is the strongest bandwagon, and I want to encourage other bandwagons to have some prosperity, and York spilled his coffee over a news article about how the U.N. is voting over something and it's causing Chaos and a Retribution or Reinforcment or I dunno, the whole paper was ruined, but

##Unvote: Chaore

I'm going to go back and reread the game again. This whole game is starting to look worse and worse.
In the meantime, feel free to throw out half-ass suspicions and meaningless calls of "Rolefishing" But it would help me immensely if everyone were to claim if they were a human or a vampire. No names, no alignments (though, if you're feeling insecure, I guess you could add the word town), and no role abilities. Just your species. Please note that there's no reason to lie about your species, because Affinity plainly states in the rules not to assume that all vampires are scum and that all humans are town. I assure everyone that this serves a town purpose that's not directly related to determining alignment.

Quote from: UncertainKitten

@capt. h.: I don't need to explain anything. It is in fact somewhat anti town to try to make a big case out of things. Yeah, that's right, I'm going into Cases Are Scummy mode. As for not dramatically changing my playstyle, I'd be more worried about doing that if I had anything to fear. We'll see how I feel in detail after my reread.

Do you have any backing behind why you don't need to explain anything? This reads to me that you're either an Investigative role, Have some sort of innocent child-like role, or you've just given up on being town and are letting scum wave their Embodiment of Scarlet Devil in our faces, and considering our game's first lynch was both of the first two things I mentioned, I'm getting really worried about the implications behind this comment.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #643 on:** June 24, 2011, 08:00:46 PM »

It's a rather long thread, Zakeri~. It also would be citing a PM about mafia theory that I'd prefer not to share. Though the thread on it's own should be decent. Mostly stick to Lord Gurgi's posts

It's covered somewhere.

Anyway, I'm a human Zak.

Chaore · « **Reply #644 on:** June 24, 2011, 08:29:21 PM »

@Zakeri: I'm a human. Though from what you said, doesn't that mean this doesn't matter at all?

@Conqueror: I apologize for not being able to write up an adequate post at 3 in the morning, after losing previous post twice. I wasn't about to bring that up as frankly I can prove it as well as you can prove I am lying, but It's the basis of your case and I'm adressing it, seems. Oh, and how about Capt. H and Hourai, Hourai who did mostly the same thing with a vote on me when absolutely no one expressed interest in lynching me, and Capt. H who stuck his vote on Schezo and -was- there to decide not to be on the wagons? This is the exact same thing you are saying I am scum for, you have expressed no suspicions towards either of them, and infact both of them had their votes on people who were never actual wagons when they were voting. So this leaves the main decider being the Kiro wagon switch. So you've basically come out after a long line of people have come down on me for that, and are taking advantage of this along with my inactiveness to make it look like you have a legit case on me. Interesting.

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #645 on:** June 24, 2011, 10:20:06 PM »

Chaore: Do you have any reads besides Conqueror? If you do, post them (or link if you've already made some.) Also, consider that right now, you have three votes on you, and everyone else only has a single vote. Would you sqitch to any of the other wagons for the posterity of the rest of the day not being a steamroll on you? If so, who would you vote, and why?

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #646 on:** June 24, 2011, 10:20:58 PM »

*Switch

Bardiche · « **Reply #647 on:** June 24, 2011, 10:25:41 PM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on June 24, 2011, 10:47:59 AM

Oh I just realized Bard's rant at me in regards to lynching PX is him paraphrasing my rage at him for lynching LLD. Ahaha.. :fail: Why can I never see through Bard's sarcasm.. or fakeclaims.. or crumbs.. paruparuparu

Well, good!

Still seeing nothing I'd want to vote over Shadoweh, and I maintain that she's the scummiest so far. She's been extremely lazy in scumhunting, wasted parts of D1 and D2 under the guise of "but I was angry!" and made retarderp cases/votes. I'll forgive swinging the wagon to PX as a herpderp action that doesn't point to scumminess but rather negligent use of reasoning faculties, but I'll still hold that she's scum and I don't feel like restating everything I've said before. Also, GUT CHECK.

Chaore's finally started scumhunting but I also wouldn't mind his lynch for how long he stalled actually doing any of it.

I'm human.

* Bardiche high fives UK. Screw cases, let's using gut!

The bright side of this game is that I've never felt this close to UK before. We're really bonding here.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #648 on:** June 24, 2011, 10:33:19 PM »

It was obviously the serenading. All you have to do is drop Shadoweh and we can all be a KAWAII DESU NE TOWN BLOCK!

It's OK Shadoweh, I don't think you're scum! THERE IS AT LEAST ONE HALF OF THE GAME THAT FINDS YOU TOWN. Yes, I now count myself as half the game! I BET I HAVE HALF THE POSTS!

Done with DnD so reread will happen at an unspecified time that will be before I go to sleep tonight.

Bardiche · « **Reply #649 on:** June 24, 2011, 10:34:13 PM »

Consider Shadomeh dropped like a bad habit.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #650 on:** June 24, 2011, 10:37:16 PM »

Are you actually serious? Cause if you are...

Bard, Shadoweh, Zak, UK. Voting block. Now. Top scum reads. I currently have Chaore and Huh What between gut and my one confirmation scum/one non confirmation scum theory. I have no guesses for the recruited scum yet.

I need to reread to see if I want anyone else in the block.

Bardiche · « **Reply #651 on:** June 24, 2011, 10:39:37 PM »

Also someone claimed I was bandwagon hopping on Kiro, maybe you should try reading the posts preceding my vote, the ones where I point out things about Kiro I dislike directly before deciding to vote him. ┐(￣ー￣)┌ Come on bro it's not like agreeing someone's actions have been scummy is terrible or anything. If I was scum I would've not jumped on Kiro at all because hell, the game could've gone any way and if I pretended to be Away no one'd really give two shits given how little activity we have 'round deadline. (￣ー￣) You just mad cuz biased against me, as proven by the ##Morphine shenanigans.

Cut by UK. Are you for real? ┐( ?∀? )┌

Bardiche · « **Reply #652 on:** June 24, 2011, 10:42:15 PM »

Just realised my vote isn't actually on Shadoweh. ##Vote: Shadoweh SORRY UK, I think she's scum. I also think Chaore is scummy and I'd be happy to lynch either of them for the day. S'pose I can be sold for Schezo as well but he's not as strongly scum as the other two are to me.

capt. h · « **Reply #653 on:** June 24, 2011, 10:44:44 PM »

UK, if you are town, I advise not staying quiet right now.

There are plenty of times to have a revelation and turn your scum hunting on it's head. Now isn't it. Today is the day everyone will look back upon and try to figure out who became scum. I really don't think refusing to make cases, especially today, is a good idea.

You don't have to be the center of attention, but if you are town, please don't decide that now is a good time to start playing super anti-town. Even if you yourself don't consider this new play scummy, it's unprecidented for you, and it looks scummy. If nothing else, I would like to see a couple cases built on evidence rather than gut reads. If only so that I can tell that this UK is the same player I played with yesterday.

From a strategy standpoint, I don't understand scum Chaore's play yesterday. Derp is null, but I don't think scum would jump onto PX like Chaore did, when silence is preferable. I think it's much more likely that Chaore really did target UK, because that's the best reason I can think for him being completely opposed to a Kiro lynch and immediately believing Kiro's claim.

*cut 8 times

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #654 on:** June 24, 2011, 10:50:18 PM »

I'm not playing anti town at all, capt. h. Just because you say it's anti town doesn't make it so. I've shown you where I'm coming from. If that's not good enough for you, then you'll have to :dwi:. As for unprecedented UK, it's not really. It's unusual, but I've played minimalist for short periods of time to get reactions. I'm just doing a more extreme version of that. And finally, meta is bad for you, stop taking that drug.

As for Bard, yes, I'm serious. But you don't seem to want to be. We can make this shit real by lynching Chaore. I've only gotten through page 6 in my reread but I can already see HW scum, Bard town, Shadoweh town. I'm kind of amazed I missed HW scum before. Chaore scum is still a thing though and more people seem to be willing to go for that, so let's go go go!

Bardiche · « **Reply #655 on:** June 24, 2011, 10:53:11 PM »

If I was a survivor, I'd take you up on that offer more.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #656 on:** June 24, 2011, 10:56:03 PM »

Is UK suggesting a quicklynch?

@Zakeri: Human, here.

Will make a post when I can.

Bardiche · « **Reply #657 on:** June 24, 2011, 10:57:35 PM »

Maybe you should explain your Voting Block idea more.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #658 on:** June 24, 2011, 11:03:10 PM »

Not a quicklynch. Just I want to see votes on Chaore. The go go go is more me being manic because I feel like I can have some fun now.

That said, my Voting Block idea is that everyone in the voting block assumes town on each other (subject to revocation for obvscumminess, of course). We each keep updated top scum reads and who we want lynched, who we'll compromise for, and who we aren't going to lynch. After enough arguing we figure out who we want lynched, and pile our four votes on them. And then the other votes just fall on because ~*~everyone wants to be with the townies~*~. Consider it an oligarchy. It's a technique to lead a desperately unlead town. We should NEVER have had two non majority lynches in a row. So I'm fixing that now. Why I didn't propose this at the start of the day was mostly because I was weighing how much the recruit would affect things among my town reads. The posting I've seen today does not really disturb me though. That sound a bit better?

Bardiche · « **Reply #659 on:** June 24, 2011, 11:05:08 PM »

And both Shadoweh and Zak already agree to this plan of yours?