UK(
160):
1. I agree with you on every front but your Kiro case on how you make logical sense. I didn't say pages 2-5 didn't matter, I agreed that they were incomplete. I would like for you to explain your Kiro case for me again since I can't really read what's there.
2. Yes, I believe Durrmio's back logic makes him scum.
3.
64 is bad because at that point, by taking a large part of the game away from everyone, huh what scum is essentially making the few who posted, make bullshit cases on each other over nothing. People naturally comment on what is there, and when there is nothing, people will either post weak cases on each other at that point or else null reads. Yes, by 64, Bard
was the main thing going on and taking that away when few people had posted and may not have had solid reads yet was bad.
Obvious trend is bad because he states things he considers obvious after the fact that they happen and leaves him room to be vague like he is in
59. I'm reading this and I cannot see how he can later call it, "obviously it was a gambit by Bard".
144 is again just justification for the Bard vig, removal of a major talking point, which I disagree with. I already explained how forcing a handful of players to make cases on each other when they could have null reads/ not see scummy is bad and attacking them for that is a silly easy thing for scum HW to attack them for.
Bard(
169): The first quote goes hand in hand with huh what trying to get everyone to attack each other over nothing if we hypothetically take your gambit out of the equation and I already explained why this is bad. And I don't understand how it is disconnect to attack someone who had talked as opposed to say just Hourai for not saying anything yet. (edit: oh wait a minute)
Kiro stating the obvious when I got the feeling that the rest of the game was missing it while scum could easily just be sitting back still going, "Yep, they're falling over themselves backwards". Yes I think there are scum in the first 7. Second question after, I know I saw the first 7 treating each other as if they were the only ones playing and asking each other to make cases that could be weak, null or non existent when still there are people who haven't checked in is reaching a bit. If people have found a case and person that seems scummy, by all means go for it, just keep the tunnel vision off, which some people are already putting on. Demanding that people make cases when they could read something different, not see scummy stuff is bad. I don't see how it's disconnect that I find someone scummy now as opposed to opening reads on people who were being demanded to make a case.
I don't think people realized to treat the 2-5 pages as incomplete and telling people that, "hey, people are willingly not posting right now, you can't treat this as normal game" seemed like a townie thing for Kiro to do. His logic seems sound with stuff like:
No, weird is not always scummy. Weird means it's a point that needs public discussion. And no, I don't want to lynch someone who I think is Town. I said that I could see UK as Townie doing what she did. I'm not flat out saying that I have a Town read on her. Here's my caps in return: DO NOT MISREP ME.
Makes clear concise sense and getting misreped makes me question how solid the case on him can really be since I still don't get UK's case on Kiro either and would like for her to clarify what it is exactly.
His case on UK is pretty clear and concise and I can understand the points he's making, and the rest of him seems to be actively scumhunting as well as responding to points in a calm and collected way that people are raising against him, so I really have no complains about him.
LLD: Yes, I'll answer everyone at once, see above.
Hourai cut: I can't read Kiro for shit when I play games with him, he always looks town. I'm getting town reads on him now and I would like to see someone die/ flip and see how their connection to Kiro may change that.
And after everyone has smashed the Durrmio case to kingdom come, I can't post an original read on him. Durrmio bad logic is scummy! Fuck. I agree he is scum, just not as much as Huh what right now, which needs addressing.
