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Raikaria

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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #150 on: September 06, 2014, 07:56:19 AM »
The meta I always talk about.

And I know CF7 did not vote Sky for his avatar; I said that in my post.

And while my dislike for Schezo was 'weak' before it is still a negative opinion and he has failed to improve upon it.


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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #151 on: September 06, 2014, 07:57:54 AM »
Then go on and tell me how he hasn't improved. I got a decent read out of his overnight posts.

Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #152 on: September 06, 2014, 07:59:21 AM »
i will sheep bt on raikaria but only late on the wagon so that lld doesn't have to stop tunnelling when he flips scum :)

actually I am confused why BT hasn't switched yet, it seems like he would as town here.

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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #153 on: September 06, 2014, 08:00:47 AM »
I'm tempted to. That's exactly why I said I'd reread Bard. Except I know there's not much to "reread" so it basically means "I'm gonna review my opinion again".

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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #154 on: September 06, 2014, 08:01:21 AM »
##Unvote:
##Vote: ActionDan

Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #155 on: September 06, 2014, 08:04:29 AM »
My main issue with Raikaria is that his rigidness about ED1 being worthless just seems really really forced since content quality hasn't evolved much at all since he made his "lol nothing's happening" post, like it's a stance he's choosing to take and uphold to seem consistent rather than just his opinion on the early content. his schezo and lld cases have both definitely not been any stronger than anything presented at that point

iunno i really wanna just nuke a dumb unreadable guy

Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #156 on: September 06, 2014, 08:11:26 AM »
ahahahahaa okay holy shit I have just come across either a SLAM DUNK of Raikaria only pretending to pay attention or the biggest Serela moment I've seen in my life.

how does one go from
##Vote: huhwhat
##Vote: Prims
Also find this interesting. No unvote between these. Is Affinity Doublevoting? Need to wait for a votecount for this.
This

to

Speaking of; where is huhwhat.
Huhwhat = Prims?
I forgot this somehow.
This

< 5 hours between posts. somehow I don't think Raikaria is actually reading this game.
##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria
This isn't even getting to how other people such as Bard had been referring to me as HW, meaning he'd know this if he had been reading D1 content instead of handwaving it all as "fledgeling cases".

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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #157 on: September 06, 2014, 08:15:03 AM »
lol  I thought cf7 was doing that double vote harping not Raikaria saying that and acting like he doesn't know you.

##Unvote:
##Vote: Raikaria

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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #158 on: September 06, 2014, 08:37:07 AM »
I've been away all day and will post shortly. Read the thread and thoughts:
I lean town on Bard and Prims. I want to lunch Rai for his stubborn hang up and continues for "it must be Sky or CF7" or "it mus be Sky or LLD" mislynch strat he used in his last scum game. Details will follow. Agree that Rais fake forget appears super fake also.
Still think Dorian is scum.  Affinity was all over the place in RVS and the. Suddenly came out with a huge post and vote on Bard which seems very out of character for them = suspicious.
Could lunch Dan for him popping in to say yeah I'm prod dodging watchagonnadoaboutitlololol annoyance. Why sign up if you're not gonna play.
Prefered lunch is Raikaia ATM. Will review and pos points before voting.
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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #159 on: September 06, 2014, 08:43:26 AM »
go make your autocorrect use lynch instead of lunch

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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #160 on: September 06, 2014, 08:47:36 AM »
RE: SLAM DUNK: I see one explanation for that but I'm obviously not gonna say.

I think there should be a wagon on Raikaria anyway so that's fine. I read Bard again and the strength of my vote depends on how much I actually think he's bullshitting. Which isn't completely, apparently. I can't refute "Bard thought huhwhat's scum based on his handling of the policy lynch" especially if his references of "abnormal play" are talking about that and not huhwhat's hyperactivity (which isn't abnormal). I think I may have reconciled everything. There's still how he goes on to talk about the merits of scum policy lynching which is just manipulative IMO but... shrug. Affinity's huhwhat suspicion at the time, I could get behind, because he actually found something in huhwhat's play he thought was fishy and pressed it directly. Bard went over huhwhat's play and went "aha, scum poser" and only elaborated later. The elaboration was biased and I don't know which of the things he noticed then and which he added retroactively.

I think it boils down to "I don't like it". It's an "intuitive" vote as far as seeing someone being different and voting him for him, but I think Scum Bard is seizing the opportunity. He hasn't actually gone to lengths to do something else and I plain disagree with the vote. But I think I'm gonna leave it as a tentative on Bard's future content. I feel more confident that Raikaria's play is empty.

##Unvote
##Vote Raikaria


Bleh cut by Sky. Why is Affinity "out of character" = "suspicious" and why are you on about Dan for not playing the game and not LLD too?

Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #161 on: September 06, 2014, 08:55:48 AM »
RE: SLAM DUNK: I see one explanation for that but I'm obviously not gonna say.

I think there should be a wagon on Raikaria anyway so that's fine.
I do too and I do too.

Raikaria

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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #162 on: September 06, 2014, 09:19:28 AM »
Honestly; I don't do much yesterday because I'm busy, and then I talk about my opinion on things I feel are important and people accuse me of not even reading the game when I did such just above.

A little irritating.

And yes; I forgot Huhwhat = Prims. I forgot some people call you huhwhat and others cal you prims; which is your username. Pretending that is a slam dunk is stupid. I'm scum because I forgot that you are Prims 'nickname: huhwhat'? That doesn't even have anything to do with the game.

And I'm not liking people sheeping onto the wagon because of a 'case' that isn't even a 'case'. It's just me getting nicknames mixed up. And I do this sort of thing often. Last game I kept getting Bard and Zakeri mixed up. So saying I'm scum because I got a nickname mixed with a username is just a little bit silly.


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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #163 on: September 06, 2014, 09:20:41 AM »
CF7 my reason for voting Bard there was the agreement at the top of the page, which I mentioned in the post right after the one you're referring to. Still "scummy levels of strange"?
Oh. Now i see it. Okay. I was directly looking at posts with votes when i was doing my wagons analysis.

For now i am sort of leaning town on Prims. Slightly less town on Schezo. Would lynch LLD, but considering that people do not want to do it, that probably won't happen. Don't feel like lynching Raikaria, to be honest.
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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #164 on: September 06, 2014, 09:21:12 AM »
Also wow I JUST NOTICED that Affinity vote was for both Huhwhat and Prims, aka: The same person.

If anything I've over-reading into things because I thought that was a doublevote. Which shows I was paying attention to what was going on... just I forgot Huhwhat is Prims.


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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #165 on: September 06, 2014, 09:26:59 AM »
Yep, that's the explanation. The nickname mix-up is null; Raikaria didn't have many people calling Prims huhwhat in the same post before he realized his mistake.

Witness that the case on you is more than that. Go read my post at the end of the last page to see what I mean. I'll try and make an organized case next.

Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #166 on: September 06, 2014, 09:33:33 AM »
that's fair but generally "doublevote" means two votes on the same person, hence why I thought you knew huhwhat = Prims at the time

I was going to bring up a thing about Bard still calling me HW but apparently that was -after- Raikaria made his post, which is what I get for going by ISO I guess
also didn't know about the apparent mix-ups last game
considering switching back to Dan with this in mind but not satisfied yet

And I'm not liking people sheeping onto the wagon because of a 'case' that isn't even a 'case'. It's just me getting nicknames mixed up. And I do this sort of thing often. Last game I kept getting Bard and Zakeri mixed up. So saying I'm scum because I got a nickname mixed with a username is just a little bit silly.
why say "people" when it's just schezo
this strikes me as a blanket response

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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #167 on: September 06, 2014, 09:37:09 AM »
So... I'd lynch Dan, as sort counter measure to his D1 lethargy.
##Unvote
##Vote ActionDan
for now.
Maybe it will energize him enough to actually post something.
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Raikaria

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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #168 on: September 06, 2014, 09:37:38 AM »
I am aware the case on me is more than that BT. I said I was busy yesterday. I said while my read on Schezo previously was 'weak' that he hasn't done anything to change that, so I still have a weak scumread on him. My opinion has not changed, I simply think Sky and Lexicat are worse.

CF7 took 20 minutes to actually post reasons as to why he was actually voting Sky. And I dislike Sky because he seemed to have the impression that CF7 was voting him for his avatar. In fact he didn't seem to really address the post following it afterwards until I said 'I wasn't aware anyone was voting you for your avatar'. Which he wrote off as sort of 'generic stuff which doesn't matter'. As I said before; I am fully aware CF7 did not vote Sky for his avatar. It's how Sky reacted to the vote which makes me dislike him; in addittion to the reasons why Sky voted Dorian.

But what started this sudden flurry of votes as Affinity voting me for the 'Slam Dunk' that was me not noticeing Prims = Huhwhat.

I mean the reasoning you have in the post you voted me is 'I feel like there should be a wagon on Raikaria anyway'.

And seriously? You don't know what kind of meta I'm talking about? The same meta I use EVERY SINGLE GAME and harp on about EVERY SINGLE DAY 1. Heck; Schezo mentioned it previously. Town fight among each other D1; scum lurk it out; and town lynch the townie who slipped up.

that's fair but generally "doublevote" means two votes on the same person, hence why I thought you knew huhwhat = Prims at the time

I thought he was voting for 2 different people.


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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #169 on: September 06, 2014, 09:39:07 AM »
Affinity voting me for the 'Slam Dunk'
for FUCK'S SAKE

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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #170 on: September 06, 2014, 09:39:56 AM »
And seriously? You don't know what kind of meta I'm talking about? The same meta I use EVERY SINGLE GAME and harp on about EVERY SINGLE DAY 1. Heck; Schezo mentioned it previously. Town fight among each other D1; scum lurk it out; and town lynch the townie who slipped up.

This is why I have a really; really bad read of Lexicat by the way. What content has has is bad [the 'everything'] and his content is awfully low in addition and scum tend to lurk out Day 1 to let vocal townies beat each other up [The 'nothing']

for FUCK'S SAKE

I don't even know how I did that.

I think it's because one of the quotes if by Affinity in the post @_@


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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #171 on: September 06, 2014, 09:40:51 AM »
ok yeah sorry but at this point my read on raikaria is just "lol it's raikaria"
going to buy the recent responses as madtown but he might be the serial killer from darker than black

##Unvote
##Vote: ActionDan

dan is still scum
wish raikaria would respond to my initial response to his contentpost

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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #172 on: September 06, 2014, 09:44:17 AM »
Had my plate full responding to people voting me for flawed reasons.

I'd happily lynch Dan as well at this point. It's just Lexicat's content that he was is godawful; which makes it worse than Dan's no content at all.

And one line of questioning Dan isn't enough to make me think Lexicat is town. Especially when Lexicat backed off so easily the instant Dan said 'It's the confirmation post' without any further explanation like what was so bad about my confirmation post.


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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #173 on: September 06, 2014, 09:45:37 AM »
Also I'm not voting Sky because I want to see what he does in the future. While his cases have been bad and he over-reacted IMO to CF7's vote on him, I do think it could be town intent, if somewhat misguided. While I think Sky is bad atm I think there could be town intent. I don't see that in Lexicat's posts really.


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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #174 on: September 06, 2014, 09:48:29 AM »
Then go on and tell me how he hasn't improved. I got a decent read out of his overnight posts.

Also this:

Things like Schezo only acknowledging that there are other people who fall under the same banner he was voting me for when Prims nudged him about it.

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And my Raikaria vote isn't even a prod, just lynch him already.  Promising future content is cheep talk.

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As for why I don't really care about dan is because I saw dorian say that votes on him are useless if he doesn't talk day 1 anyways and people won't lynch a lurker day 1 (which is true)
but I like you better after your responses to me so let's just wait for all that promised contentTM from like half of the players.  (moridin raikaria cf7 LLD)

So why has he been frankly tunneling on me and hardly talking about LLD/Moridin/CF7. Also he seems to be dismissing a lurker lynch while at the same time pushing for me to be lynched for a lack of content and 'promised content'. That's a double standard.


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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #175 on: September 06, 2014, 09:52:17 AM »
one last thing, everybody being willing to lynch Dan isn't really reason to be cautious about the wagon here @affinity because seriously, how are scum going to justify saving him right now?

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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #176 on: September 06, 2014, 10:23:30 AM »
Convenient Votecount

ActionDan: (3) Moridin84, CF7, Prims
Raikaria: (3) ActionDan, Schezo, BT
Prims: (2) Lexicat, Just
Schezo: (1) Dorian
Just: (1) Affinity
Dorian Mizuhashi: (1) Sky_Paladin
Lexicat: (1) Raikaria

Voteless: (0) None, captain

(Chagned the "2" on Schezo to a "1" since I'm pretty sure it's a mod error. See previous votecount where Raikaria was on Schezo.)

Will get to this in a bit.

Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #177 on: September 06, 2014, 12:01:55 PM »
@Moridin: Can you tell me why you felt the need to claim? I don't think there was enough  pressure on you to justify is, so what was it that you tried to accomplish with it?
Mainly I was just exasperated at being given such a pointless role. I also thought I'd bring it up just in case there is some value to it that I missed.

I don't see any reason to hide a role like this anyway.

Quote from: Affinity
Nope, scum can feign wanting to vote their buddies, even to the point of lynch.  It's called bussing, and while I agree that it's unlikely for D1 it's not near impossible.  (even more so since policy lynches are really rare). 
Well yes, I'm aware that MAFIA players could fake vote their buddies, but I don't think it makes sense for Prims to draw attention to ActionDan there. And he's still pushing that lynch.

So I think that lynching ActionDan is a reasonable strategy. On top of trying to pressure him to be useful.

Or least I don't have a better on right now.

Quote from: Affinity
Answer my question; you think the cases presented so far are thin, but are they scummy or anything to you?
Short Answer:
Not really.

Long Answer:
The problem I have is that TOWN players here will often "make up reasons" to vote for people in order to generate noise and smoke out MAFIA. MAFIA players will also "make up reasons" to lynch people, though it their  case it's generally to cause confusion and redirect lynches onto TOWN players.

I find it hard to tell the difference between TOWN players "making up reasons" and MAFIA players "making up reasons". Weird right?

It should be easier as the game goes on because you can gather information on who voted for who and also notice "patterns of behaviour".

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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #178 on: September 06, 2014, 12:37:47 PM »
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Locking eyes with someone and generally waving off others as 'shades of red' is something I remember as particularly scummy, it gives their voteparks some depth and allows them to wait and see.
Every game I say everyone's red/Scum/green-coloured Scum. I don't see why it's more scummy of me this game than any other game?

Moridin should stop voting inactive people and vote people who he thinks are scummy; if you think the inactive people are scummy, quantify that they are and why they are more scummy than presently talking people.

I disagree with Affinity that "the only place my case can go is the past", in that the argument is incredibly weird. Everyone builds cases based on events that have already happened, and then use the responses to those cases to determine whether they still feel the same way. It feels like an eloquent way to say "Bard is voting over something that's already happened", which I happen to think is null. If I were voting for things that have yet to transpire, I'd start looking at myself oddly.

I don't like ActionDan, mostly because proddodging and refuging in audacity about it just isn't pro-Town play. The chief issue I have is that I can yell "it's scummy" all I like, but more than anything it's just not playing Mafia.

Huh What, I wrote my first post on my phone so I felt like being succinct. I'll take note not to do so again, but I'd like to point out that for all that your Town meta isn't static, you're usually not one to so pro-actively attempt to end RVS, let alone start (trying to) produce serious reads from the get-go.

I disagree with Town!Dan being pro-active. I think Dan is a shit player whatever alignment he has because he chronically refuses to play the game. I'll at least grant you that a Town!Dan would by now at least have made some reads, and all I see are prod dodges.

I agree re: BT's vote on me being weird chiefly because the reason for voting me is buried in all his other observations and reads, such that it seems an after-thought that he has reason to actually vote me. Feels more like a throw-away vote because he could than a genuine one, simply because his attention is so much more on other people and his only reason is "I agree with Huh What". Unlike BT, I don't remember every Mafia game. Remembering the last game is already unpleasant. "I don't buy his case" is, um, if everyone who's made a case I disagree with is scummy then I'm pretty sure we don't have enough lynches.

I dislike Raikaria's continuous harping that he's doing what he always does, as I happen to think Raikaria in the last game with his infuriating QT and ITP shenanigans was a lot more pro-active in questioning people and not sitting on his hands. If this behaviour keeps up Day 2, I would lynch it.

##Unvote
##Vote: ActionDan

I happen to agree here though, I'd expected ActionDan to have made at least some sort of comment by now. You used to infuriate me with one-liners "this person is scum" etc, but now you're hardly doing anything. Which is reminiscent of last game.

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Re: rhythm Heaven Mafia (Day One)
« Reply #179 on: September 06, 2014, 12:48:18 PM »
Going through the thread for Raikaria posts.

Raikaria's claim at the beginning is that he does not "agree with the rather speculative stuff thrown around so far" and his stated examples are Sky's vote and Bard's. What about CF7 voting Sky for his case? What about huhwhat voting Bard for his case? What about Affinity's vote? It gives the picture that Raikaria saw a few speculative votes and hurried to categorize them all under the same banner.

He follows up with that line I disliked earlier. In context, I don't get it; Raikaria said he just woke up and he'll be useful later, but here we are two and a half hours later. Also notable that "speculative cases" turned into "bad RVS cases" - at the end of the day I don't know why Raikaria chose not to comment on the post-RVS preceedings. Not having something solid is fine. Trying to disassociate yourself for no good reason is something else. I'd think that Raikaria as Town would pursue Sky (together with CF7, who he ignored) on his "speculative vote": "I mean, asking if a vote is serious at this state and fence-sitting on a silly RVS policy lynch? That's not really anything you can read into." Therefore... what? Raikaria doesn't have an opinion on Sky here, he just brings it up to say that he can't associate himself with it yet.

"I'm a little salty that Affinity unvoted from what may have been a double-vote just before the votecount came along." This line makes Raikaria's fascination with Affinity's doublevote look fake. Why are you mad that we couldn't confirm Affinity's theoretical doublevote? Why would Affinity show off the doublevote in the first place, then unvote? Raikaria doesn't really question Affinity on this doublevote stuff and doesn't press him when he doesn't; it's just there as townie-looking filler.

In the same post: "I'm still mulling over Sky/CF7 interactions." It's been a few hours. Raikaria hasn't addressed the obviously stronger non-RVS stuff going on in the thread, sticking with "this is my best" Schezo vote. His contribution to Sky/CF7 has been to talk about Sky's reaction to the Cirno avatar and Sky's scumteam guesses, without reaching a conclusion. I don't see the mulling over he's "still" doing - seems more like he said it because that's the only thing he's addressed and he was signing off for the day, which is saying "hey, look, I didn't do anything with it today, please wait warmly until tomorrow and don't lynch me". My interpretation, mind you.

Raikaria's first 24 hours were spent disassociating with post-RVS stuff, reluctantly committing to a vote and reaching no new conclusions while the rest of the thread trucked onwards.

I'll post this now and let Raikaria respond to it. I'm not done.